looking for a ban

all 10 available chars +2 prophecies tutorial only chars^^ = 12 Chars^^

If anyone had find a way to dupe Mini Pets till now... dont you think that you wont have to search about 4-10 weeks till you find a serious Panda seller.... and if you read the A-Net comments on duping you would change your mind... After all this duping Storys one ambrace is still costing 70e or 100k+50e and do you know why... cause A-Net cleared the Situation and removed the dupers and the Ambraces made by them.

if you are stupid enough duped 1000 pandas, i am so glad you getting banned just like that. cuz there are only CERTIAN AMOUNT of them in the game. and about armbrace price? because there are millions people WANT IT, demands>everything, say ectos, why ectos still worth 4.8-5k each after all these dups? because people are still using them, people still want ectos. if things happend like you described, ectos should worth 100g each??

Well of course it's costing ~60e-70e, only a dumb player with loads of armbraces would cause prices to go down. If you sell them one at a time nothing happens. Those armbraces have serious meaning only when it comes to utterly rare items, that's why it sucks to be honest player with money enough to counter dupers.

Anet cleared all the duping & armbraces, o'rly? Want to go ascalon id1 or check some of the threads here in Guru HE, reality check wakey wakey.

I am not saying it is impossible or too difficult to make 500K a month as I used to be able to make more than that when I still loved trading and farming. I am talking about his normal gameplay with minimal trading and farming, from 0 gold to 500K within a month. That is bs. Running 100 people per week like yourself is not normal gameplay.

just like a guildie of mine.. hardcore pvp.. no farming, no pve.. zero mony gain in game.. hoh drop.. he has millions now..

as some guy said. good things take time, great things happen all at once..
(forgot where)

so yes, lets all complain that you arent lucky and the others are. i have yet to find 1 person with luck as shitty as mine..

Sorry, you are?

Just because you come on Guru claiming you're in the "top 10" doesn't make it true.

No true player is in the top 10. The top 10 consists of gold sellers, and then many places below that as well.

This Eternal Blade will net you a few ecto, but GL getting anyone in your thread to pay up. Most will pull out as soon as they are highest bidder. Why? because most people in High End bid to boost their e-peen, they really don't have the cash.

You expecting mini pandas ect for this drop is laughable. There is prob already a few req9's in game. UW isn't that hard, and is a breeze in a well set up group. More of these items will come on the market in the coming weeks.

So, if you are any kind of trader you'll accept the first decent offer before the next one shows up.

hi malice i can tell you... you confused me a bit... i am not claiming to be one of the richest... i said MAYBE i am one of the...^^. and the eternal brings me only a small part of that which i already own... you are welcome to check ingame but that is not the point... the point is... i made a serious post and used good maners and tried to make the others to look from other perspectives at the wohle thing but why you are writing me in this angry way? i said one of the richest GAMERS and not BOTS or gold seller companys i just meant the normal and legal and honourable gamers who farms or trades for his money. some of the bidders showed me already that they have the money so i have no fear that they wont pay me. If there are so many r9 Eternals out there till now... dont you think it would find his way into any forums and would be discussed everywhere like this one did?

[/QUOTE]So, if you are any kind of trader you'll accept the first decent offer before the next one shows up.[/QUOTE]

This part confused me in a high level.. maybe you never traded or you are not interested in trading... but i am out for the maximum not for the first guy who offers me 100+xx and a few candy canes for it^^... how many R9 Eternals you saw before... i heard only from one.. oh and yes i think panda could be a possible offer for it.. but there are many pandas out there but only one known and prooved eternal r9.. and if you check the CO i can already buy a Panda for that^^ bye the way i thought long about customizing it but decided to selling is the better choice for me^^ have a nice day Malice and please dont be angry to me cause i am not to you

added:
if you check zorens threads you will notice that he is/was one of the lucky Kanaxai owners... you can be sure that he has twice the money which he offerd till now

its true that many vizus and zheds and other rare pets are for sale atm... prices are dropping for them and thx to the magazines a higher amount is on the market now. But the main reason is that the traders are buying them just to resell em. thats why you are them often atm. They buy vizu or other minis and resell em and buy new pets and resell again... easy to make much money in short time this way and you see very often the same pet reselling and reselling and reselling^^

LoL @ some people counting their money before it's in the bank.

You have to laugh. Noseferatu sold it and now the guy who bought it is selling it and asking for more in High End. Let the old thread move off of the first page lol.

So subtle. Rofl.

Oh, are you saying malice has never traded before?

By the looks of it now, there won't be any new panda's in the community any time soon. Right now there is 1 known eternal R9, but it's simply a question of when, not if, there's gonna be a second one (assuming there isn't one, or more, out there already). In *insert undisclosed amount of time* a R9 Eternal Blade will be about the same as a R9 Crystalline (inscribable that is), no doubt about it.
People will continue to play UW for farming purposes or to get Eternal Conquerer for multiple characters and Eternal Blades will keep dropping.

You made a very good move by buying it while it's hot, and made an estimated 200 Braces profit on it. I highly doubt Zoren is going to beat that.

Also heard a story yesterday, someone bought a greased lightning for 220e right after the beetle race prices, kept it a while, forgot about it, found it in his storage, sold it for 1750e. 1550e pure profit.

As for the topic; this is a prime example of how you get that rich. The masses farm, some use those ecto's to buy items, they sell those items with profit.
This structure continues to rise into a pyramid where you have the extreme rich people at the top who started out with small transactions, moving up higher and now are at the real high end and can trade xxx armbraces.
Eventually where all those riches came from are over the backs of the masses and the ignorant. (And of course some gold buyers, bots, dupers are up there too, but not everyone by a long shot)

That was one of the most funniest moments in this thread. Congratulations.

This has always bothered me about trading in GW (and I do it to, albeit on a much smaller scale). In the end, we are all "scammers": we buy lower than market price, and sell higher.

EDIT: Fixed typo.

It's business, baby. Welcome to Lolwars.

I guess. I try to be honest, but even I can't resist when someone wants to sell a mini-pet I know is worth more than 20k for 1 - 2k.

Then again, I've gotten burned before on Greens, so I guess what goes around comes around.

This thread failed when people started making claims that if you have like 10 stacks you buy gold or dupe.

100 million gold waaaay before duping occurred was possible. Akh has items worth like that easily; R8 15>50 Cris Sword, R8 14% Serpent Axe, R10 15% Short Sword, R8 +30-2s Magmas etc. But there were only a few with serious kinds of gold.

Now if you see a high end thread it will be infested with what seems like dozens of random people with tons of armbraces.

Before all this duping crap occurred Panda were selling for like around 1000 ecto.

The people with the xx armbraces and able to drop them on a single trade either duped or made incredible amounts of gold as a result of the duping.

There is no way a player could afford to drop 1500 ecto + xx armbraces on a single trade without somehow being involved in the duping shit. Either was a duper or traded with dupers or those who did.

You never saw trades like this pre-duping ever. The max ever offered for say a R8 15>50 Cris Sword was 1750 ectos (or items of similar value when peopel trusted each other) And only a few could ever afford to offer that for one item. Only after the duping occured have the amounts offered in trades gone way way up.

Nosferatu1976: Any reliability you had disappeared when you said you have never heard of Malice Black and supposedly have traded for ages. MB is like one of the old school power traders...

Interesting thread. I'm not a high end trader. Probably never will be. I don't farm (booorinnggg). I don't stand around in towns trading (even more booorrringgg). I just play the game and not for hours on end either. I play around 2-3 hours per day.

Currently I have 200k, 53 ectos, 0 armbraces, 40 shards, mini Lich, Kuunavang and a handful of diamonds, rubies, onyxes and sapphires in storage and that mini Lich is my most expensive pet. Not a vast fortune, but I'm comfortable. I've also spent at least 300k in the past 6 months on skills and titles.

I made most of my cash on 2 very lucky drops. I got a mini Asura from my local Barnes and Noble about a week before the mag was supposed to hit the shelves. I sold it that night for 100k+30e. Bought it back a month later for 20k. I also found an Elemental Sword while travelling thru the desolation area. Sold it a week later for 100k+11e. I didn't spend a lot of time in town trying to sell these items. I sold them to the first people who asked to buy them.

The point I'm trying to make is that the obscene amounts of wealth some players have is not impossible. I've amassed (and spent) nearly 1 million in the year I've been playing and I'm a casual gamer who isn't really trying to make a fortune. How much cash do you think those who are really trying to make money have??

Do dupers exist in game today? I believe they do. I know A-net worked some overtime hours and removed most of the dupers and duped items in the hours after the exploit was discovered, but I also believe the smart dupers are the ones who used their main accounts to dupe and somehow managed to squirrel away some cash safely before the hammer fell. These folks are ruining the high end trades and making it harder for the legitimately rich to buy and sell without constantly being accused of foul play.

I'm not going to accuse anyone specific of duping. I don't know if the current Vizu and armbrace holders are dupers or merely the honest recepients of duped goods thru trades. Most likely the latter. I think if I duped an item, the first thing I'd do is launder the cash.

The bottom line: I only have 1 thing to say at this point..........
"Warrior LFG to clear UW!!!!"

I believe Kuunivang is worth more then the Lich...

If I'm wrong, I got screwed out of some money.

Start kneeling I do 2 and a half hour full DoA runs 2-3 times a week it is very easy with a Guild group and consumables and people who know the DoA like the back of there hand.

Could be. Like I said, I'm not a trader. I paid 100k+5e for my Kuunie about 6 - 7 months ago. I got the Lich for free from a player that was quitting the game and decided to hold a trivia contest for his pets. I thought the Lich was selling at 100k+ at the time, but with more entering the market each day it makes sense that it will have a price drop. (Is the Bone Dragon still over 100k?)

This is where you went wrong...I don't remember the guys name, not that it matters, but there was the guy who had found a req8 Crystalline from the now extinct Mary Poppins chest. He was going to sell UNID'ed but then a friend of his told him how to test it, this was all posted on the high end threads. So, he did test it and it was in fact a 15^50 that was sold for 3300 ectos, if I remember correctly. This was well before the duping days, and I totally agree with the people posting, that indeed there have been individuals with stacks of ectos from a very early point in GW history.

In short, get over it.

So pritty much what your saying is if you want to be UBER RICH not just rich you have to do what nearly every decent person on the planet says is wrong. On top of that you have to play for 10 hours a day not doing anything but sitting in town spamming WTS. It would seem from the wording of your post you are either a junior high or high school kid with no after school activities or a part time job, which in this case I could see how you play for 10 hours a day.

I will put a good example in for what im saying.

(these are 2 real gas stations less than a mile down the street from my house and these are the real prices.)
2 gas stations at the same intersection.

I will put it simple 3 kinds of food items from the same manufacture
1 is a Clark station family owned by the people who barely speak english and are always on the phone.
these are the prices
12 pack of Coca cola=7.99
A little debby brownie= 50 cents
A single 12 ounce can of pepsi=75 cents

1 is a BP run by a GM who sets the prices according to a code and hires all kinds of people.
these are the Prices
12 pack of Coca cola=4.99
A little debby brownie=25 cents
A single 12 ounce can of pepsi=40 cents

This way of doing business is for the cold hearted and bitter. Decent people would not take advantage of people like this.

And about the bold I dont think it is that we are looking at you with negetivity it is have you put any thought about moveing out of your parents basement and getting a job and doing something with your life? It is understandable to play video games for a few hours a day or less or more on the weekend, but to literally waste your life for a VIRTUAL acheivement shows a huge sign of addiction. The people who play this much are the people we hear about in the news that let there children die of starvation because they were stuck in a non stop gaming fest or die in a internet cafe. Both of which are true and have been in the news for some time which has now made video game addiction a real medical problem. I think the entire community is saying Seek help from a Therapist being this addicted to a game is going to kill you.

You have opened my eyes I see the fat kid from the WOW south park episode, this man must have no life at all he is killing our admins. someone bring me the sword of a thousand truths!!
nothing to be proud of or even brag about here you just showed you have a large problem.

I am sorry for my posts earlier I completly forgot about these kind of people and was a little angry. I was simply putting the Idea in everyones head.
Hope everyone understands what im saying here even tho I put it pritty simple. the lesson is If you spend more than half a day playing a computer game maybe you should get some help this goes for everyone who plays like this.
But this applys to all aspects of life.
Drink but Drink in moderation.

Wrong

It was never sold for that.

The winner of the sword was going to purchase the gold at the end of the week when his pay cheque cleared... So the people bidding never actually had the ecto required.

However, there was a mass bot ban shortly before.

Gold prices rocketed.

Trade never went through.

O and um, the two people in the bidding war were far from legit lool. Lots of fake bids too as my friends were doing them.

Please get your facts right...

Crystalline Swords R8 15>50 sold for 100k +1750 Ecto before and after that thread.

O, if the R8 15>50 Crystalline Sword is worth 3000 ecto. Then please tell me why a few months prior to the duping crap I was the highest current offer holder on one which was 100k +1750 ecto. Where is all those 3000 ecto offers???

In short, your wrong

Er, I think I know full well that people are capable of having legit stacks of ecto lol. What with me having ecto stacks and everything... I never disagreed that people could not have legit ecto stacks.

Please list all the legit trades where 1750+ ecto was traded pre-duping. I cannot think of any I doubt you would be able to tell what is legit and what isnt though as you didnt know that the main bidders on the R8 15>50 Crystalline Sword you mentioned use real life money to fund their GW purchases...

Stupid off-topic question: What is/was the Mary Poppins chest?

Whatever happened to that req8 15^50 crystalline?

The people attacking my post need to read it again. I MADE OVER 500,000 GOLD PLAYING CASUALLY WITH NO TRADES AND FARMING, JUST PLAYING THE MISSIONS AND DOING QUESTS! If I had farmed I would easily be in the millions. And that is FARMING. Everyone knows rich people don’t farm, they power trade. So if I started power trading I could easily be bringing in close to ten million. every month. LEARN TO PLAY GUILD WARS BETTER!

Dupers are still among us. Do you really think Arena Net can go check every trade that has occurred? No, they only looked at a small portion.

This is basically what Ive been thinking all the time I've been reading this thread.

I've been reading Ventari's sell/high end forum since July 2005 and I agree with Herb I don't remember seeing any bids over 100k +1750 ectos for any items, but since the duping scandal the bids for items have gone through the roof and from lots of new people.

Whether this is duped items that people hid on various accounts or lots of people eBaying I don't know but it seems strange about all the apparent sudden wealth in game.

Remember Anet's warning before GWEN was released about buying gold online? I bet people were buying a lot of gold, and now there is nothing left to spend it on except rare items.

WTS My Plasma Blade :P

I love Herbie and Undead..... 2 of the nicest people in this game.

Short and sweet.

Dupers did survive the great ANET purge and frolic around in the high end forums. --FACT


ALSO Id like to add...... Think about this... The Rich become Rich from being smart and taking advantage whether ethical or not of situations. Do you think that some people who were allready rich before duping didnt take advantage and join in themselves ???
Its easier to hide wealth where wealth already existed.

Who are these pre searing cadets and ascalon explorers that just show up in high end and offer on everything and anything... hmmm

To be fair a few did actually earn the money ripping people of in LA then making money of them . I remember that gold-purchase story, takes me back..... can remember laughing for ages about it.... good ol' days.

..how long have you been playing this game?!
1. you can't 'power trade' anymore, BECAUSE of all the gold buyers etc.
2. anet didn't ban people that are known dupers...and they are still playing to this day.
3. learn to play guild wars better? come on

1. Yes, you can. There are still many noob dupers still around. You even admit this in your quote.

2. I already said that.

3. This may not apply to you. I don't know you. But it applies to the people going Wow, how does someone have that much gold? Getting GW gold is too easy.

Pizowned on all 3 points, better luck next time kid.

8 pages, not gonna read the whole book, alot of it seems redundant and obsurd... but guess what i found....

err wont let me link, give me a few to check things out

DUPPERS AGAIN?!?!?!

h tt p:// gw- truth .blogspot .com/


cut and paste, and removed the spaces, operantly it dont like it, thinks it cussing...

Have you power traded? Do you have any experience in power trading? How many hours did it take to make the 500k gold? I would love to know the answers to these questions.

10 million every month. Wow thats pretty impressive. At the peak of my power trading game I could only make 1 million profit every 10 days. I am sure you can do much much better though... Even though power trading sucks now...

Yes, I have power traded. Yes, I have experiance power trading. It took me a little less then 100 hours to make the 500k, by only playing the game, with NO TRADING OR FARMING for the thousandth time.

There has been a large increase in the number of retarded rich people due to massive dupping. It's not that difficult to get someone to buy something off you, just use a little salesmenship. If anything I would say this is an awesome time to power trade.

to agree with Herbalizer...

as for power trading... depends how much u work at it.... 1mil profit in 10days was easy, now and days its alittle slower, but it all comes down to what u get and sell...

you don't get it, do you? the people who have duped/ebayed will overpay for an item because they know someone else who will pay more. therefore, you can not get anything to resell for profit that is worth any time.

QFT, both Jhadur and Herb.

I'm a long-time GW player and a 2-bit auctioner (>300 rating on Guru, mostly selling crap that drops). I've been following 100k+ and high-end items since 2005. Anyone who has can tell you that most items have seen a general deflation since the introduction of inscriptions. The only exception are req 7, req 8, and the ultra high. Req 7 have gone up, req 8 have stabilized, and ultra-high-end have gone through the roof.

There is absolutely no explanation as to how this obscene amount of money could have been created in such a short time. Funny how it coincides with the duping exploit....

Highlighted the nice consistency in your posts. Oh and 100 hours of just playing the game with no trading or farming to make 500k, maybe possible but I doubt it.