Nov nerf....oh lord

bos = 120 dmg
impale = 200 dmg

320 damage in 2 skills? word.
geez you guys always twist everything. no one is going to run an assasin with attributes to max out both dagger mastery and deadly arts to get that kind of damage.

so more like bos = 120, impale = 145. 265 damage at the end of a highly interruptable / blockable dagger chain with a now 1 second impale cast. not that terrible

Blades of Steel does not need a nerf. To get it to do it's damage you need a rather long chain, and if the person you're attacking can't figure it out and stop the chain or heal, that's their problem not the assassin's. My Vow of Strength Dervish hits for 100s quite consistently, and more while they're running away, while only essentially using one attack skill, without a long chain which can be messed up.
If they remove Sins from GW 2 I shall be very unhappy. They're the class that makes the game fun in my opinion. You're right, none of the Assassin skills used in any variation of the SP bar need nerfing other than SP's synergy with an IAS. Either make ALL IASes last for 1 second at 0 Mastery, or make SP cancel and disable Stances.

[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] would be usable, but at the price of only being able to spike every 30 secs, or only having an IAS during every other spike.

[skill]Whirling Charge[/skill] would be usable as an IAS with some points in Wind Prayers if ANet took the '1 sec IAS' approach, so I believe the most sensible idea would be to stop SP working with IASes.

Should we have a poll asking people which solution is best? :P
1) Leave everything as is
2) Put everything as it was pre BLS and HotO nerf
3) Make all IASes last for 1 second at 0 mastery
4) Make SP cancel and disable stances
5) Both of the above (so no Heart of Fury)
6) Make SP cancel and disable Weapon Spells

Weapon of Aggresion, however gives an IAS that is unremovable and not in a primary attribute, so 'sins could invest some points in Channeling for it. Although it's only a 25% IAS, it's still an IAS. Perhaps SP should also cancel and disable Weapon Spells? It would be strange, but it would completely stop any IAS working with SP unless a party member could time WoA to land on you just after you cast SP. The 2 exceptions to this are RaO and IWAY!, but I simply don't see A/Rs with pets (would take up too many skill slots, RaO would also take away SP or any other Elite Hex), nor an IWAY! team purely to give an SP 'sin an IAS.

PS: Yeah, I sure hope Assassins are in GW2. I want my Charr 'sin, I've already thought up a cool, charr-like name for him.

EDIT: I agree Kaida, choosing your target and timing of your spike is what makes you a good 'sin (or not, in some cases.) It's not always a good idea to charge at the enemy monk in a "hi, i r guna spike u now" fashion, wait 'till the warriors/dervishes/pressure 'sins on your team start hassling the enemy monk, then go pwn the enemy Mesmer that almost has your Monk in tears.

No longer can an assassin teleport to a character at full health and expect to 'gib 'em. They should, you know, cuz that's what Assassins are for. An unprotted target at full health shouldn't be a problem. I'm making sure, of course, that my builds can still do that. Forced me to be creative, blah blah, that's all true but! IMO by nerfing the wrong skills, ANet is only taking away some of the little versatility Sins have.

HotO-Moebius has become significantly weaker because one never walks alone, so to speak. It's only (partial!) shutdown until the first little health boost now. Still good, but not great, because 'the kill' does not occur quickly enough. Given the amount of quick (self-) prots and spike heals in the game, I feel that's kinda harsh on us.

As for re-evaluating my target... WTH when did you start playing? That's like, the name of the game when you're playing a Sin

More Gank Sins to follow!

edit: 5)

They should, you know, cuz that's what Assassins are for. /Agree. Surprisingly enough, drumroll please!.... Assassins are meant to.... (spoiler alert)
ASSASSINATE PEOPLE! *shock horror*

But isn't waving at an enemy for them to be in shreds at your feet moments later a little overpowered? I like this, but I'm not sure Warriors appreciate the need to pressure Monks and co-ordinate adrenaline spikes, while we just go "Boo!"

But isn't waving at an enemy for them to be in shreds at your feet moments later a little overpowered? I like this, but I'm not sure Warriors appreciate the need to pressure Monks and co-ordinate adrenaline spikes, while we just go "Boo!" To answer your question, apart from bad taste, no. I'm against the whole SP thing, don't get me wrong - but the KD nerfs (which are why I am complaining) do nothing to stop them. There are major problems concerning the power level of Assassins, I'm aware of that, but ANet is hitting the class in the wrong spot.

The BLS nerf was a good one, I think, taking some speed/energy gain out of the spike. People die to SP Sins because they have no time to react, the longer an enemy survives the more likely a spike is to fail. So it had to be 'moments later' after they waved at you because if it would have taken any longer, it would have been their hide instead. Can't expect to survive after a failed combo (all the more humiliating, if they waved...) while Warriors are usually still quite fit.

You say we twist everything, but all assassins are expecting a one combo, unblockable, 1.5 second character spike with 4 knockdowns in it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not going to happen. I think you missed the central theme in that many have no issues with nerfing such an imba build as your given example but not to the detriment of core skills used in other builds especially when the spike build such as the SP sin can be easily nerfed in a much better fashion without the trickiling down effect to dozens of other non-spike builds.

This nerf has'nt even killed SP Sins.....so what was the actual point of it?

To repeat many here criticizing the nerf dislike the idea of imbalance and cookie cutter spike builds as much as anyone else and we far from expect a "gg" button but most of us realize this update does little to counter such builds and instead has vastly decreased the amount of variation seen in most PvP rather than make people think of new builds.

The amount of DD Sins running around should be proof enough.

I think bringing target priority into the thread is rather off-tangent as we all know that anyway and play style really is'nt relevant....it's preaching to the converted.

This nerf has'nt even killed SP Sins.....so what was the actual point of it?

To repeat many here criticizing the nerf dislike the idea of imbalance and cookie cutter spike builds as much as anyone else and we far from expect a "gg" button but most of us realize this update does little to counter such builds and instead has vastly decreased the amount of variation seen in most PvP rather than make people think of new builds.

The amount of DD Sins running around should be proof enough. Yeah, if anything I believe the nerf made the problem worse, since there are now gonna be more Castassins. I don't have much of a problem with SP Assassins - ANet wanted 'sins to pop up to someone and make them stop being alive (although perhaps not quite so easily). Although, I'm fairly certain ANet did not want their Assassins popping round throwing Spells and Signets left, right and center. I think the best way to nerf them without ruining many other Assassins would be to make DD cost 10 energy and or have a much longer recharge. There are no other DD spamming 'sins, except maybe my friend's little brother that started playing yesterday, so this should be a reasonable nerf. Would be it be enough, though?

Yeah, if anything I believe the nerf made the problem worse, since there are now gonna be more Castassins. I don't have much of a problem with SP Assassins - ANet wanted 'sins to pop up to someone and make them stop being alive (although perhaps not quite so easily). Although, I'm fairly certain ANet did not want their Assassins popping round throwing Spells and Signets left, right and center. I think the best way to nerf them without ruining many other Assassins would be to make DD cost 10 energy and or have a much longer recharge. There are no other DD spamming 'sins, except maybe my friend's little brother that started playing yesterday, so this should be a reasonable nerf. Would be it be enough, though? that'll leave out deadly paradox though...maybe change it to 30 recharge,10 energy and last for max. 10 secs?

Yeah, if anything I believe the nerf made the problem worse, since there are now gonna be more Castassins. Maybe it's just me but I hardly even noticed SP Sins before the nerf.Sure every now and then I'd get my face handed to me but it was never often enough to annoy me and it was'nt anything like the rampant plague of A/MO's running around now.

Every time I hear *Ding Ding* I cringe.

Maybe it's just me but I hardly even noticed SP Sins before the nerf.Sure every now and then I'd get my face handed to me but it was never often enough to annoy me and it was'nt anything like the rampant plague of A/MO's running around now.

Every time I hear *Ding Ding* I cringe. SP sins are very plentiful in AB. at least 3 in every game i played - all with the same skills