So, will there ever be an iota of chance for a PvE/PvP split?
Darmikau
I mean quite honestly, the only time a PvE change should ever be made is to alter difficulty or to tone down extremely overpowered farming builds. This last update, I don't even know what to say. GG, PvPnet.
Blackhawk
Don't be daft, we'd have to pay for it if they split the game, as they'd have to employ extra people 
Darmikau
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Don't be daft, we'd have to pay for it if they split the game, as they'd have to employ extra people
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In fact, if they were to separate those PvP aspects even further it would even more better the game, because you could restrict the skill changes to areas where the skills are being abused.
garethporlest18
Probably not, but there should be. Although I have to say all this whining and complaining is entertaining.
Blackhawk
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I don't see why, all they'd have to do is change some stuff around so things like skill changes meant for PvP only take effect in PvP areas; Guild Halls, HA, TA, and other arenas, Alliance battles, etc.
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Iem
Why not just drop the PvP aspect and make a PvE only game?
Antheus
It's been done already. Ursan Blessing. And the rest of GW:EN nonsense.
Blackhawk
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Why not just drop the PvP aspect and make a PvE only game?
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RPGmaniac
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Because people get bored with predictable AI and like to play other people (or is that insult?, and even other people are pretty predictable seeing as they all generally run the current FoTM in PvP).
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Bowstring Badass
these type of threads = /fail
Making 1 portion of the game separate from the other is just stupid alot more work on Anet side and who cares use some of those less used skills and change your build more then once every 20 years.....
@ Iem- why? maybe killing monsters gets boring maybe we want to play RI not AI all day long....
PvE = ursan way with a WoH monk so why complain ur skills are getting replaced anyway....
Making 1 portion of the game separate from the other is just stupid alot more work on Anet side and who cares use some of those less used skills and change your build more then once every 20 years.....
@ Iem- why? maybe killing monsters gets boring maybe we want to play RI not AI all day long....
PvE = ursan way with a WoH monk so why complain ur skills are getting replaced anyway....
lyra_song
Blackhawk
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Well, people get bored of predictable AI and want to play against predictable RI (real intelligence).
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cellardweller
The vast majority of so called "PvP nerfs" have the added benefit of balancing overpowered PvE uses too (see splinter weapon and LoD for recent examples). The PvE game would not be as good as it is today without fine tuning that skill balances provide.
Blackhawk
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The vast majority of so called "PvP nerfs" have the added benefit of balancing overpowered PvE uses too (see splinter weapon and LoD for recent examples). The PvE game would not be as good as it is today without fine tuning that skill balances provide.
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FireFox
hey, you got your pve in my pvp
no seriously, stop separating the game, the first mistake was priests of Balthazar -.-
no seriously, stop separating the game, the first mistake was priests of Balthazar -.-
Racthoh
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It's what PvE's going to be like tomorrow if the current trend continues that particularly bothers me.
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no seriously, stop separating the game, the first mistake was priests of Balthazar -.-
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Savio
Splitting PvE and PvP won't accomplish anything gamewise, as PvErs aren't terribly suffering. It will, however, reduce forum posts after updates.
FireFox
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Sarcasm I hope?
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Snow Bunny
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Splitting PvE and PvP won't accomplish anything gamewise, as PvErs aren't terribly suffering. It will, however, reduce forum posts after updates.
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Think about it. If you simply hire someone who can appease the pvp community, seeing as the current person can't, you've got your pvp community satisfied. Split the game, balance the skills to make it mildly challenging, then tweak them with an update as is necessary.
You've got populations satisfied. What's more, is that the game satisfies both camps, both hardcore and casual.
All it takes is like another month of work, and then your sales improve simply because of the flexible appeal with the game.
1 up and 2 down
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I mean quite honestly, the only time a PvE change should ever be made is to alter difficulty or to tone down extremely overpowered farming builds. This last update, I don't even know what to say. GG, PvPnet.
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QQ MOAR!!1!11!
Honestly! I am a PvE player and when ever there is a nerf to a skill it means I have to find a new build/skill to use. Get over it!
Why is it every time a nerf happens someone has to make one of these annoying b**ch threads?!
Blackhawk
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So long as we know exactly what we're up against in every single zone the level of difficult in PvE is never going to change. The only way PvE changes significantly is when the AI gets reworked or mechanics change, skill balances have very little impact on actual PvE play.
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Might sound daft, but altering that mechanic after years does seem a bit daft.
FireFox
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It's the mechanic changes that I'm more interested in like this Pet/Corpse business, as it has affected the way some PvE areas will now play, and I'm wondering if that's just the tip of the iceberg, where it'll be players themselves next who won't leave an exploitable corpse either.
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Chthon
No, not a chance in hell. You can only hope that they've learned their lesson and will design GW2 in such a way that Izzy can mangle PvP in any way he likes without affecting PvE.
Taurus
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Probably not, but there should be. Although I have to say all this whining and complaining is entertaining.
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The balance in GW is based on how much a skill is used, how many times, how many players use it, and they have acess to that data ( maybe a bit on forum listening also ) .
The balance in GW is NOT based on whinning tennage kids threatening quit the game and "not buy gw2" if they dont like changes.
Again, no matter what you whinning kids say or do will change anything.
Blackhawk
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you're kidding right?
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Savio
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You've got populations satisfied.
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Zahr Dalsk
I have an idea.
Get Izzy to make a Roleplaying character (actually you might need to get him to buy the campaigns; I'm rather doubtful as to whether his account actually has them unlocked, perhaps he only bought PvP editions) and play through all of the 4 Guild Wars games, including elite areas The Deep, Urgoz' Warren, Domain of Anguish, Fissure of Woe, The Underworld, Slaver's Exile etc (all of them in Hard Mode), and do it with all classes, WITHOUT running something pulled off of wiki, using Ursanway (that's for grinders, grind should not be present in Guild Wars), or editing the difficulty of said areas. Must spend at least 2k hours in PvE or complete the above task list, whichever comes last.
Must also spend time in PvE using the skills he nerfs in PvP so he can gain an understanding of how they affect PvE.
In short, have him consider PvE when he makes skill adjustments. Not asking that he abandons PvP... asking that he considers PvE in his adjustments.
/rant over
/cast Elemental Immunity -> Choose Element: Fire. *Concentration: Success*
Zahr Dalsk casts Elemental Immunity (Automatic Quicken Spell, Automatic Silent Spell, Automatic Still Spell.)
Full Damage Reduction vs Flaming
Get Izzy to make a Roleplaying character (actually you might need to get him to buy the campaigns; I'm rather doubtful as to whether his account actually has them unlocked, perhaps he only bought PvP editions) and play through all of the 4 Guild Wars games, including elite areas The Deep, Urgoz' Warren, Domain of Anguish, Fissure of Woe, The Underworld, Slaver's Exile etc (all of them in Hard Mode), and do it with all classes, WITHOUT running something pulled off of wiki, using Ursanway (that's for grinders, grind should not be present in Guild Wars), or editing the difficulty of said areas. Must spend at least 2k hours in PvE or complete the above task list, whichever comes last.
Must also spend time in PvE using the skills he nerfs in PvP so he can gain an understanding of how they affect PvE.
In short, have him consider PvE when he makes skill adjustments. Not asking that he abandons PvP... asking that he considers PvE in his adjustments.
/rant over
/cast Elemental Immunity -> Choose Element: Fire. *Concentration: Success*
Zahr Dalsk casts Elemental Immunity (Automatic Quicken Spell, Automatic Silent Spell, Automatic Still Spell.)
Full Damage Reduction vs Flaming
FireFox
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I have an idea.
Get Izzy to make a Roleplaying character (actually you might need to get him to buy the campaigns; I'm rather doubtful as to whether his account actually has them unlocked, perhaps he only bought PvP editions) and play through all of the 4 Guild Wars games, including elite areas The Deep, Urgoz' Warren, Domain of Anguish, Fissure of Woe, The Underworld, Slaver's Exile etc (all of them in Hard Mode), and do it with all classes, WITHOUT running something pulled off of wiki, using Ursanway (that's for grinders, grind should not be present in Guild Wars), or editing the difficulty of said areas. Must spend at least 2k hours in PvE or complete the above task list, whichever comes last. Must also spend time in PvE using the skills he nerfs in PvP so he can gain an understanding of how they affect PvE. In short, have him consider PvE when he makes skill adjustments. Not asking that he abandons PvP... asking that he considers PvE in his adjustments. /rant over /cast Elemental Immunity -> Choose Element: Fire. *Concentration: Success* Zahr Dalsk casts Elemental Immunity (Automatic Quicken Spell, Automatic Silent Spell, Automatic Still Spell.) Full Damage Reduction vs Flaming |
Savio
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Get Izzy to make a Roleplaying character
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ensoriki
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He has roleplaying characters. Do you want him to make another one?
Can I get names? I wan't to mission with him! Oh wait, you want him to do more than most PvE players, and to spend an inordinate amount of time playing something in which the concept of balance doesn't exist. He shouldnt, but bTW there is balance in pve. called Animate Flesh Golem and Searing flames There is no reason for grind not to exist. But that's another thread. |
You do not have to grind to get ahead in pve, simply do quests and other things as how the game was meant to be played: If you have done all that and somehow fallen into all the gold sinks through mismanagement of your money, you can start another character- or vanquish with a guild. You will have fun playing with your guild, in Other MMO's it is not unreasonable for a guild to go monster slaying and it certainly isn't in Guild wars.
The only thing in pve that you may have to grind for, are Runes, or Weapon's with the mod's you want. This is in the case that you are turning your pve character to pvp. Otherwise it does not matter, and you do not need to grind at all, ever in pve.
I grind in pve, because I am to lazy to do quests, that is my choice. If you have no patience for grinding, please start a PVP character or join a good PvE guild in which case you can have fun while doing missions and such.
Grind is repetitive, if its fun and you don't find it repetitive, it won't be grind to you. So find a good guild or aspects of pve that you love. My favourite currently is the Tihark Orchard mission, I find it to be beautifully done.
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darkknightkain
/signed for splitting the two.
Aren't pvp players supposed to be the "better" players? Why can't they adapt themselves, but instead all they are doing is relying on the "divine interventions" (dev interventions) for anything they are having troubles to beat?
What's with the state of the current game pve players are the only ones getting the short end of the stick? Not once that Izzy/Ensign discussion even considered what beasts their arbitrary shakeups are going to unleash to the PvE world.
Aren't pvp players supposed to be the "better" players? Why can't they adapt themselves, but instead all they are doing is relying on the "divine interventions" (dev interventions) for anything they are having troubles to beat?
What's with the state of the current game pve players are the only ones getting the short end of the stick? Not once that Izzy/Ensign discussion even considered what beasts their arbitrary shakeups are going to unleash to the PvE world.
Savio
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He has roleplaying characters. Do you want him to make another one?
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Why can't they adapt themselves
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Chris Blackstar
More and more games these days are becoming PvP based, and when ever that happens, game Balance comes into play to keep the compitition competitive. Does not matter which game it is, GW or other. It's like this country now a days, we pay more for less. Proffesional PvP is big business and companies go where the money is, the problem with this is the average player will never be able to compete against proffesional PvPers. It's like me, an out of shape fat guy playing football against a pro NFL team, what chance do I have of competing, well we know the answer, absolutly none.
Game companies should seprate their games into two seprate branches, one for the profesionals, and another or the normal gamers. The problem is cost however as double the server capasity would be needed. In order to do that, they would pass the cost back to us, and you would see games going for 89 dollars instead of 49 dollars.
But to tell you the truth, I would pay the difference, just to keep it seprate, thus I would get what I payed for and not have to worry about it being changed every couple of months as to satify some need for competative balance.
In conclusion, I would like to send out a big F U to anet and competative PvP!!!
Game companies should seprate their games into two seprate branches, one for the profesionals, and another or the normal gamers. The problem is cost however as double the server capasity would be needed. In order to do that, they would pass the cost back to us, and you would see games going for 89 dollars instead of 49 dollars.
But to tell you the truth, I would pay the difference, just to keep it seprate, thus I would get what I payed for and not have to worry about it being changed every couple of months as to satify some need for competative balance.
In conclusion, I would like to send out a big F U to anet and competative PvP!!!
Crom The Pale
PvP and PvE will always be tied together in GW, its to late to fully disentangle them now.
GW2 will have a split that is more equitable to both sides, assuming I am reading posts from Anet correctly.
The real problem most PvE players have with this latest update is that pets no longer leave corpses. Those that do not use pets in PvP or play much of any PvP might not realize that pets there, when they die, do not reset your skill bar like they do in PvE. This makes a Necro/Ranger that uses his own pet for coprses viable in PvP, while its not very usefull in PvE. This update was to nerf that, for reasons that are really beyond me I must admit.
GW2 will have a split that is more equitable to both sides, assuming I am reading posts from Anet correctly.
The real problem most PvE players have with this latest update is that pets no longer leave corpses. Those that do not use pets in PvP or play much of any PvP might not realize that pets there, when they die, do not reset your skill bar like they do in PvE. This makes a Necro/Ranger that uses his own pet for coprses viable in PvP, while its not very usefull in PvE. This update was to nerf that, for reasons that are really beyond me I must admit.
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The real problem most PvE players have with this latest update is that pets no longer leave corpses. Those that do not use pets in PvP or play much of any PvP might not realize that pets there, when they die, do not reset your skill bar like they do in PvE. This makes a Necro/Ranger that uses his own pet for coprses viable in PvP, while its not very usefull in PvE. This update was to nerf that, for reasons that are really beyond me I must admit.
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My guess at the nerf to pet corpses is to stop minion masters from becoming the new energy engine for spiritway using the dead pets since spirits are no longer an energy engine.
arcanemacabre
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Those that do not use pets in PvP or play much of any PvP might not realize that pets there, when they die, do not reset your skill bar like they do in PvE.
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The plot thickens...
EDIT: Seeing above post, what is the truth? I've never had a pet in PvP before, so I have no idea.
Zinger314
Splitting PvE and PvP will kill Guild Wars.
Not splitting PvE and PvP will kill Guild Wars.
Not splitting PvE and PvP will kill Guild Wars.
Dr Strangelove
The only reason people want a PvP/PvE split is so that they can have ridiculously overpowered crap to make blowing up drooling nincompoop monsters even easier.
No, go away.
No, go away.
Bryant Again
No, I'd much rather they keep them integrated. Just have a few less skills in GW2 and I'll be happy.
Chris Blackstar
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The only reason people want a PvP/PvE split is so that they can have ridiculously overpowered crap to make blowing up drooling nincompoop monsters even easier.
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Not an exact definition, but close. In pve the monsters get harder and the skills get weaker, but humans will always have the advantage, because we use 8 skills as to the monsters 4 or five skills, and most skills are just spammable ones.