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Milennin

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22 Nov 2007 at 10:23 - 281

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I made a new mesma last week and its about half way through factions already. Now I realise that low-end areas are empty anyway, because everyones either in GWEN or elite zones these days, but ive noticed something I hadnt before.

In a week of paying a mesma, I have see only one other mesma aside from myself! Just one!

I've seen plenty of warriors, elementals, monks, Rangers, Ritualists, Dervs and even loads of Assassins! But only one other mesma.

If you check the price on mesma runes, they are all at base price of 100g. A sure sign that no one is buying mesma runes. What is unapealing about being a mesma?

I've not had issues getting into teams and I personally feel i've been quite effective with my newbie build and limited skills. So why so few/none at all?

Because most other classes look more badass, cooler and tougher.=P

Plus they aren't really that effective in most of PvE in my opinion. Stuff dies as soon as you start hitting it, with a few exceptions that might be able to stay alive for a few seconds longer than normal enemies. Not worth trying to shutting down an enemy or slowing down stuff when it doesn't get the chance to hurt you without it anyway.
I found my hero Mesmer to be quiet effective in Frostmaw's Burrows HM dungeon, though, I'm sure I wouldn't been able to go through it so easily without her.XD

Esan

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22 Nov 2007 at 10:33 - 282

I don't want to read 10 pages of thread. Can someone tell me if Ensign got his cake or not? Thanks in advance.

LightningHell

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22 Nov 2007 at 10:36 - 283

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Originally Posted by darkdreamr

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I would actually argue that PvE setups are mainly mindless.

I mean, it really is hard to cast Backfire on a caster. Really. When they have big flashy animations on top of them.

And target switching really doesn't require much "skill" per se.

Age

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23 Nov 2007 at 00:39 - 284

In PvE they are often called resmers why for the ressing but I can think of more things a mesmer can do if being a Mes/Mo or /N.They could use LoD,Heal Party,Aegis and a few other protects as for Necro they could use Blood Ritual,Blood is Power,Well of Blood for other castors.They could also be used to get rid of hexes through expel,shatter or inspired hex.This would relieve Monks of doing it.No a Mes/E won't work unless there are no Eles but FC/MS forget it.

bhavv

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23 Nov 2007 at 06:09 - 285

Ok I love mesmers in PVE. Hero mesmers that is. I was lucky to get an interrupt mesmer when capping ride the lightning. He couldnt even interrupt 1 sec cast spells. Mesmer heros are great, mesmer puggers are not.

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

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23 Nov 2007 at 17:52 - 286

The major problem with the Mesmer in PvE has to do with the playstyle of most players. With the Holy Trinity in place you effectively idiotproof your group and so you absorb the ineptness of one or more of the people in your group easily. However a bad Mesmer can doom a group and people don't want to take the chance. I've been in groups with excellent Mesmers and when the group wiped the Mesmer was always the one blamed. There's really nothing to be done about it. Maybe we can start a coalition for better treatment for Mesmer. *lol*

Personally, I enjoy playing a Mesmer. When I use mine I play a bit differently than I usually do. In any other case I just press C + Space Bar to lock on to the nearest target and then lock the appropriate hero on and attack. With my Mesmer I use CTRL to look at mobs before I attack. I usually take on the most emminent threat by myself and let the H+H take care of the rest. Battles actually take less time than with other classes and I can spend more time enjoying the scenery and my overall gameplay experience.

jaeharys targaryen

Wilds Pathfinder

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23 Nov 2007 at 19:40 - 287

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And no, mesmer inst a pvp class, this comment was obviously retarded and should be ignored (sry if i offended).

you are wrong.

Relnor

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23 Nov 2007 at 19:58 - 288

This thread contains the most ignorance I have ever seen. People whining about how mesmers can't do damage, and can only affect one target. Learn to play.

Mesmers are the number one underplayed class simply because people don't know how to apply them in PvE.

Seren!ty

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23 Nov 2007 at 20:01 - 289

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Originally Posted by Relnor

Mesmers are the number one underplayed class simply because people don't know how to apply them in PvE.

There we go again, this thread is full of posts like yours. "You just don't know how to play a mesmer", please enlighten the readers of this thread.
I know what a mesmer is capable of, they are certainly not bad, but they can be replaced.

EinherjarMx

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23 Nov 2007 at 21:15 - 290

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Originally Posted by Relnor

This thread contains the most ignorance I have ever seen. People whining about how mesmers can't do damage, and can only affect one target. Learn to play.

Mesmers are the number one underplayed class simply because people don't know how to apply them in PvE.

it seems you obviously know more about mesmers than Avarre, who has stated that mesmers are not as useful as other professions

Nevin

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23 Nov 2007 at 21:57 - 291

Mesmers specialize in making things not ABLE to hurt you, just about every other profession can specialize in killing something BEFORE it can hurt you. Thats the difference.

And yes I know theres great PvE skills such as Backfire, Empathy, E-Surge, E-Burn... But if you want the whole armor ignoring damage thing, why not just be a necro?

Zinger314

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:01 - 292

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Mesmers specialize in making things not ABLE to hurt you, just about every other profession can specialize in killing something BEFORE it can hurt you. Thats the difference.

...which Necromancers (Reckless Haste, Enfeebling Blood) and Rangers (Broadhead Arrow, Throw Dirt, Distracting Shot) can do much more reliably than Mesmers.

Most "endgame" Mesmer skillbars I've seen are just Cry of Pain/Ether Phantom with Echo/Arcane Echo. Seriously; using overpowered skills on a weak profession does not make the weak profession powerful.

Crom The Pale

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:02 - 293

Mesmers can be as effective as any other caster class, but there unique ability(Fast Casting) sucks. Without something to raise them above other caster classes they have fallen to the side.

Anything that a mesmer can do a /mesmer can do just as well. Mesmers need some truely unique skills tied to thier primary attribute to set them more apart from any other caster class.

Nevin

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:11 - 294

To be honest the only way I'd ever consider a Mesmer over another profession is Echo/Arcane Echo + Over Powered PvE skills (Ether Nightmare + Cry of Pain)... Hmm thats giving me a good idea. I may make a PvE mesmer just to try an overpowered build like that...

The Build

[skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Ether Nightmare[/skill][skill]Cry of Pain[/skill][skill]Mindbender[/skill][skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill][skill]Waste Not, Want Not[/skill][skill]drain enchantment[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ether_Nightmare
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Cry_of_pain
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mindbender
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Pain_Inverter
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Signet_of_Corruption (would be good as necro secondary, more energy)
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Waste_Not%2C_Want_Not

With something like 16 Fast Casting, 13 inspiration magic. (The only other skills you'd need are energy sappers to keep your energy high). So I guess Mesmers are better then any other profession at one thing... Spamming over powered PvE skills.

Age

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:24 - 295

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Mesmers specialize in making things not ABLE to hurt you, just about every other profession can specialize in killing something BEFORE it can hurt you. Thats the difference.

And yes I know theres great PvE skills such as Backfire, Empathy, E-Surge, E-Burn... But if you want the whole armor ignoring damage thing, why not just be a necro?

You could use a smiting Monk.I played Mesmer in THKmission was told to stay by King as I was the only real castor all I did was spam heal party along with MoR the others were in compound and around the stairs it was a very coordinated team as there were only Monk heros.We got the bonus on it really not to bad.

upier

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:29 - 296

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Originally Posted by Nevin

And yes I know theres great PvE skills such as Backfire, Empathy, E-Surge, E-Burn... But if you want the whole armor ignoring damage thing, why not just be a necro?

If there is a godly mesmer skill - it's called Clumsiness. (Outside of Blackout of course!)
Not only does it prevent damage, it causes it AND it's insanely spamable (PLEASE, PLEASE don't balance it!).
This is seriously one of the best skills the mesmer has to offer and it's pretty much the only skill that makes Illusions compete with Curses. (Of course it completely pales next to Shadow Of Fear + Enfeebling Blood but Curses really are PvE shutdown embodied!) It's actually so good that I'd use it on a Cursing NECRO!

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:33 - 297

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Originally Posted by Nevin

To be honest the only way I'd ever consider a Mesmer over another profession is Echo/Arcane Echo + Over Powered PvE skills (Ether Nightmare + Cry of Pain)

I may make a PvE mesmer just to try an overpowered build like that...

[skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Ether Nightmare[/skill][skill]Cry Of Pain[/skill][skill]Cry of Frustration[/skill][skill]Mindbender[/skill][skill]http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Pain_Inverter[/skill][skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill]

With something like 16 Fast Casting, 13 inspiration magic. (The only other skills you'd need are energy sappers)

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ether_Nightmare
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Cry_of_pain
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mindbender
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Pain_Inverter

So I guess Mesmers are good at one thing.. Spamming over powered PvE skills.

The irony is that only one of those skills, Mantra of Recovery, is exclusive to the primary Mesmer. Ether Nightmare and Cry of Pain can be used by secondary Mesmers with the same effectiveness. The PvE-Only skills can be used by anyone.

And since Mantra of Recovery has been nerfed to 33%, it isn't that great to warrant a primary Mesmer. You might as well run the same skill bar with a Necromancer except with 16 Soul Reaping and Reaper's Mark as the Elite for Energy Management.

Nevin

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:44 - 298

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

The irony is that only one of those skills, Mantra of Recovery, is exclusive to the primary Mesmer. Ether Nightmare and Cry of Pain can be used by secondary Mesmers with the same effectiveness. The PvE-Only skills can be used by anyone.

And since Mantra of Recovery has been nerfed to 33%, it isn't that great to warrant a primary Mesmer. You might as well run the same skill bar with a Necromancer except with 16 Soul Reaping and Reaper's Mark as the Elite for Energy Management.

Well with 16 fast casting a mesmer would be able to spike with Ether Nightmare -> Arcane Echo/Cry of Pain. After all Ether Nightmare has a 3 second cast time.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

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23 Nov 2007 at 22:46 - 299

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Well with 16 fast casting a mesmer would be able to spike with Ether Nightmare -> Arcane Echo/Cry of Pain. After all Ether Nightmare has a 3 second cast time.

Which would be great if spiking in PvE was a viable strategy.

Antheus

Forge Runner

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23 Nov 2007 at 23:03 - 300

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Which would be great if spiking in PvE was a viable strategy.

Echo Ray of judgement in shards of orr.

I'm sure that if there existed motivation, spikes for other areas would emerge. But since all of PvE is too easy, there's no need for that.

angmar_nite

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23 Nov 2007 at 23:17 - 301

If the monks dead spikes are useless. The only thing you need to spike is the monk of a mob. And even then the spikes are pretty mediocre by pvp standards.

Age

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23 Nov 2007 at 23:56 - 302

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

The irony is that only one of those skills, Mantra of Recovery, is exclusive to the primary Mesmer. Ether Nightmare and Cry of Pain can be used by secondary Mesmers with the same effectiveness. The PvE-Only skills can be used by anyone.

And since Mantra of Recovery has been nerfed to 33%, it isn't that great to warrant a primary Mesmer. You might as well run the same skill bar with a Necromancer except with 16 Soul Reaping and Reaper's Mark as the Elite for Energy Management.

There are some that want to see Reaper Mark toned down somewhat and you know who they are.

Biostem

Jungle Guide

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24 Nov 2007 at 00:01 - 303

I think the biggest problem w/ Mesmers in PvE is that you encounter enemies that use monster skills which are not as easily interrupted, don't trigger the various hexes you can apply, don't need to deal w/ energy pools, or just can't be stolen/disabled in the same way as normal skills/spells can be.

I like my mesmer, but it is often hard to be fast enough to interrupt the key spells/skills in large fights, and my damage is not going to be as consistent as an ele's

Redfeather1975

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24 Nov 2007 at 00:45 - 304

It's been said that if mesmers originally got Spiteful Spirit as an elite supplement to Empathy, things would be very different for how people see mesmers in PvE.

LightningHell

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24 Nov 2007 at 05:30 - 305

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

It's been said that if mesmers originally got Spiteful Spirit as an elite supplement to Empathy, things would be very different for how people see mesmers in PvE.

Indeed, it would've made them a farming candidate if not anything else.