Pretty self-explanatory
I gotta say, the hardest that I've fought is Mallyx. They really thought out Mallyx when they were creating Citadel. Your stuck in that extremely small area with this H U G E monkey, and he's extremely smart and can spike anyone with one hit. Plus, he tele's yourr healers and such out of reach!
You can't even run for him because if your moving you take 10dmg a second! Theres specific BUILDS made just to kill him because they made him so hard, the spirits NEED to come down or you have no hope. And even with that, soon as someone dies you gotta get them up in 3seconds before he spikes another peep down.
Pre-searing is harder than the End-game factions shiro... no joke. SV+Wild Blow=7second clear.
Hardest ELITE/END-GAME Boss
NoXiFy
Zinger314
All of them (except Mallyx, perhaps) are pathetic if you have a cookie cutter group.
But why did you put the end-game bosses? They aren't elite.
But why did you put the end-game bosses? They aren't elite.
Drage
If you do Mallyx Ursan Way he isnt that hard, he's done in a few seconds, accually none of them are hard, the boss that has HB he is hard.
Antheus
Urgoz.
Most annoying to kill with relation to time needed to get to it.
As for Mallyx, meet Ursan.
Most annoying to kill with relation to time needed to get to it.
As for Mallyx, meet Ursan.
NoXiFy
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All of them (except Mallyx, perhaps) are pathetic if you have a cookie cutter group.
But why did you put the end-game bosses? They aren't elite. |
Just a reminder, this is ONLY for elite area bosses and the end-game peeps. Don't say "d00d ayye thunk ta7 dug h4rd357 15 ummmmmmm Dabina Deathbringer11!!1!"
Sha Noran
Urgoz is actually incredibly difficult, however he is regarded as a pushover because of poor game design that allows you to kill him with EoE and zero effort. If a change was made so that EoE no longer worked to kill Urgoz, he would instantly become a very daunting boss indeed.
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by NoXiFy
Cause end-game wouldn't fit, and there not all technically end-game.
Just a reminder, this is ONLY for elite area bosses and the end-game peeps. Don't say "d00d ayye thunk ta7 dug h4rd357 15 ummmmmmm Dabina Deathbringer11!!1!" |
Shanaeri Rynale
Probably none of them, it's all down to using the right 'trick' to kill them be it recall warriors with Kannaxi, EoE with Urgoz or Ursan with Mallyx. Mallyx took longer to suss because for months people used the door trick and it was bugged for several weeks.
I remember killing Urgoz way before EoE was the way to do it, also back when the serpents healed him(very very early on) and one had to shutdown a serpent while the rest of the killed the other one, fun times..
I remember killing Urgoz way before EoE was the way to do it, also back when the serpents healed him(very very early on) and one had to shutdown a serpent while the rest of the killed the other one, fun times..
NoXiFy
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Lich, Shiro, Abbadon, and Great D are most definately end-game bosses. I don't know how you can misinterpret that.
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...but I can't, unless a mod wants to do it. kthx.
reverse_oreo
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Originally Posted by Antheus
As for Mallyx, meet Ursan.
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Urgoz is by far the hardest of them all. Even though he is really not hard if you do it right.
Sister Rosette
Lich: This isn't even comparable to the harder bosses. The only way he even has a leg up is the fact that you have to kill him 3 times.
Shiro: Meet body-blocking and Celestial Skill spam. Dead Shiro.
Abbadon: Doable with H&H. Again, not even worth mentioning.
Great Destroyer: Are you kidding? People can run him in HM for like 2k. Again, he's weak.
Mallyx: Again, Ursan and love it.
Urgoz: No thank you.
Shiro: Meet body-blocking and Celestial Skill spam. Dead Shiro.
Abbadon: Doable with H&H. Again, not even worth mentioning.
Great Destroyer: Are you kidding? People can run him in HM for like 2k. Again, he's weak.
Mallyx: Again, Ursan and love it.
Urgoz: No thank you.
TaCktiX
Urgoz is fun purely for the EoE trick. It's a pain in the total butt to get to him, but once you do having the Speedway Derby around him is rather enjoyable.
Mallyx, I've never gotten to. I suppose I should one of these days start working on DoA (and no, I will NEVER NEVER EVER use Ursanway, k thx I like intelligent builds).
Mallyx, I've never gotten to. I suppose I should one of these days start working on DoA (and no, I will NEVER NEVER EVER use Ursanway, k thx I like intelligent builds).
Sha Noran
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Originally Posted by TaCktiX
(and no, I will NEVER NEVER EVER use Ursanway, k thx I like intelligent builds).
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chowmein69
i think urgoz was the hardest because we need to keep runing around
Arkantos
All of them are easy, I wouldn't be able to choose a hardest one.
So you think running around taking barely any damage is harder then actually fighting a boss? :\
Some people like playing builds that require you to know how to play the game, unlike ursan. Besides, ursan isn't all that great.
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Tamuril elansar
last boss of shards of orr was pretty hard...
for all the elite area's etc i'd go for malix
for all the elite area's etc i'd go for malix
6am3 Fana71c
Urgoz is easy. And it doesn't take much to get to him anyway, even in HM you can kill him in like hour and a half.
Kanaxai. Dunno, prolly the same, never played Deep much.
Shiro, Lich, Abbadon, Destroyer - lolwut?
Mallyx. Never, ever tryed him. Prolly easy nowdays.
My vote goes for this bad boy
Kanaxai. Dunno, prolly the same, never played Deep much.
Shiro, Lich, Abbadon, Destroyer - lolwut?
Mallyx. Never, ever tryed him. Prolly easy nowdays.
My vote goes for this bad boy
D??esseBrighid
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Some people like playing builds that require you to know how to play the game, unlike ursan. Besides, ursan isn't all that great.
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Arkantos
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So The trick with the door before was better? At least with Ursan you're actually doing something to kill him. How was the door trick intelligent? All you did was stand in a straight line, one person dies, and like 2 people SoS'd the heck out of him. If you ask me, Ursan IS intelligent compared to that...
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Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together.
Div
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?
Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together. |
Which is why you have a bunch of r4-5 KoaBDs and/or ursans running around thinking they're good, but they're not.
And it was quite a please to play with some of the SMS guys in DoA the other day. Was much more fun running a balanced type build than the standard noob pug ursan-monk.
HawkofStorms
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I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?
Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together. |
Tarkin
back to Thread... mallyx...
lets remember at your time glint > lich
at your time kamaxi > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich
at your time mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich
and today mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich
duncan is patetic...... but without the trick.... maybe?
duncan > mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich
lets remember at your time glint > lich
at your time kamaxi > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich
at your time mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich
and today mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich
duncan is patetic...... but without the trick.... maybe?
duncan > mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich
Magikarp
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I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?
Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together. |
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Unfortunately, SMS is one of the only truly good PvE guilds out there that knows what they're doing. Most self-proclaimed "high end PvE guilds" are nothing but idiots who mash buttons with ursan or title farmers that can only copy and run easy gimmicks that are specific to a special region. Which is why you have a bunch of r4-5 KoaBDs and/or ursans running around thinking they're good, but they're not. And it was quite a please to play with some of the SMS guys in DoA the other day. Was much more fun running a balanced type build than the standard noob pug ursan-monk. |
total noobs, quit after 2 days of "lets Ursway balh blah blah"
You can't see me
I don't know why this is even up for debate, as they are all the same difficulty. All it takes to defeat any of these bosses is a set of skills designed to counter what they use, and since you have 8-12 people to do it, it's not hard to figure something out. When you use a counter to something, it's going to be easy, naturally. Counterting one thing isn't any harder than countering another.
Skyy High
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I don't know why this is even up for debate, as they are all the same difficulty. All it takes to defeat any of these bosses is a set of skills designed to counter what they use, and since you have 8-12 people to do it, it's not hard to figure something out. When you use a counter to something, it's going to be easy, naturally. Counterting one thing isn't any harder than countering another.
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Zahr Dalsk
Ursan > all of them, but I vote Shiro just for being the best-written boss.
~ Dan ~
Sadly i haven't fought any of the "elite" bosses, but going from threads i've read, i'd have to vote Mallyx.
I was amazingly shocked when i fought the Lich (proph was the last campaign for me to complete).. how pathetic was he?!
I was amazingly shocked when i fought the Lich (proph was the last campaign for me to complete).. how pathetic was he?!
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Sadly i haven't fought any of the "elite" bosses, but going from threads i've read, i'd have to vote Mallyx.
I was amazingly shocked when i fought the Lich (proph was the last campaign for me to complete).. how pathetic was he?! |
Actually I got bored of THK and went afk for 5 hours while my henchies did all the work lol
I forgot about it and went to the cinema xD
PTG
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grrrrrrrrrr.... so i am going to get pain inverter and then go back and kill that %$#$%#%%..... Die Ilsundur! |
fenix
Urgoz without EOE being as dumb as it is. Good luck beating him unless you have a smart team. But I guess Anet dont mind having broken mechanics...
Shanaeri Rynale
Urgoz with no EoE is fantastic. you need to kite, cast, and be situtationally aware(so as not to pop up stuff your team mates will walk into) for ages.
I do wish Anet would change it back to the serpents healing him and EoE not working. Some of the Urgoz kills I did when it was like this were superb fun, esp pre reconnects when 2 or 3 Err 7's per run were guaranteed.
I do wish Anet would change it back to the serpents healing him and EoE not working. Some of the Urgoz kills I did when it was like this were superb fun, esp pre reconnects when 2 or 3 Err 7's per run were guaranteed.
I D E L E T E D I
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Urgoz with no EoE is fantastic. you need to kite, cast, and be situtationally aware(so as not to pop up stuff your team mates will walk into) for ages.
I do wish Anet would change it back to the serpents healing him and EoE not working. Some of the Urgoz kills I did when it was like this were superb fun, esp pre reconnects when 2 or 3 Err 7's per run were guaranteed. |
Bug John
considering the skills they use, mallyx is definately the most overpowered one
I always smile when I see what people in pve guilds say, they shouldn't forget that they're part of a small community
yes, anybody smart enough to run a basic build with 7 decent players can kill any of those bosses easily, they hit hard, they use lame skills, but they're just dumb AI
you should try to pug one time with a parangon for doa quest, I'd like to see if you manage to find a decent group in less than a week
ursanway is godmode, but you need godmode to beat mallyx with a pug, most people in ursanway don't even understand why they should not wand the monkey, use ursan roar or protective spirit... and most of the time you can't avoid them, because if you're waiting to find a good balanced group you'll spend one week spamming local chan
there's a difference between guilds that kill kanaxai in 26 minutes and people who don't even understand they shouldn't wand onis
I always smile when I see what people in pve guilds say, they shouldn't forget that they're part of a small community
yes, anybody smart enough to run a basic build with 7 decent players can kill any of those bosses easily, they hit hard, they use lame skills, but they're just dumb AI
you should try to pug one time with a parangon for doa quest, I'd like to see if you manage to find a decent group in less than a week
ursanway is godmode, but you need godmode to beat mallyx with a pug, most people in ursanway don't even understand why they should not wand the monkey, use ursan roar or protective spirit... and most of the time you can't avoid them, because if you're waiting to find a good balanced group you'll spend one week spamming local chan
there's a difference between guilds that kill kanaxai in 26 minutes and people who don't even understand they shouldn't wand onis
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by fenix
Urgoz without EOE being as dumb as it is. Good luck beating him unless you have a smart team. But I guess Anet dont mind having broken mechanics...
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Big_Daddy
LOL, I remember the first time I went up against Urgoz, I was on a real good PUG and all of a sudden they jsut told me to RUN.. I thought they were kidding me, I was like "No way we kill a boss in such a stupid way", as you all know, I was proved wrong :S
I D E L E T E D I
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I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?
Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together. |
but were you guys running an enchantment against mallyx :O
Arkantos
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I am not entirly because the quality is pretty bad
but were you guys running an enchantment against mallyx :O |
And yeah, someone probably acidentally used an enchantment. But no one died, so meh.
Avarre
I don't really think using "Save Yourselves!" is much more commendable than Ursan. Anyone who's played it will know you have to be mentally deficient to die with that build.
As for hard bosses... I guess the Factions ones are the closest to being hard.
As for hard bosses... I guess the Factions ones are the closest to being hard.
Arkantos
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I don't really think using "Save Yourselves!" is much more commendable than Ursan. Anyone who's played it will know you have to be mentally deficient to die with that build.
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Even with SY, you need skilled players to clear the elite areas. With ursan, the only skilled person you need is a monk. Everyone else just has to spam 1 and sometimes 2 to win. You don't even need the other skills.
Horseman Of War
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considering the skills they use, mallyx is definately the most overpowered one
I always smile when I see what people in pve guilds say, they shouldn't forget that they're part of a small community yes, anybody smart enough to run a basic build with 7 decent players can kill any of those bosses easily, they hit hard, they use lame skills, but they're just dumb AI you should try to pug one time with a parangon for doa quest, I'd like to see if you manage to find a decent group in less than a week ursanway is godmode, but you need godmode to beat mallyx with a pug, most people in ursanway don't even understand why they should not wand the monkey, use ursan roar or protective spirit... and most of the time you can't avoid them, because if you're waiting to find a good balanced group you'll spend one week spamming local chan there's a difference between guilds that kill kanaxai in 26 minutes and people who don't even understand they shouldn't wand onis |
Poor attempts to troll by bashing the 'tiny' pve-players or whatever that backwards comment was supposed to mean.
Yes, Mallyx is agreeably the most powerful 'elite boss' (why the OP thinks that the great destroyer should be included is beyond me)
And just for the record, IF YOU PUG THESE, with a 'balanced' team.... your best bet would be to bring a paragon. Ive started using my Paragon to tank in Duncan's level just recently.... Cant Touch This+Any Other Skills > OB warrior, gg. I barely even use my other characters anymore.... Paragon is simply the best, ursan or not.