Originally Posted by I Is Special
I was trying to sell a zodiac sword i found and this guy PM-ed me...
Him:"Hey can you give it to me so i know what it looks like on my char?" Me: "No." Him: "Plz" Me: "Ok" and i gave it to him and he dissapeared and put me on ignore . |
What is the most pathetic scamming attempt that you encountered?
Cale Roughstar
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dunky_g
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Originally Posted by I Is Special
I was trying to sell a zodiac sword i found and this guy PM-ed me...
Him:"Hey can you give it to me so i know what it looks like on my char?" Me: "No." Him: "Plz" Me: "Ok" and i gave it to him and he dissapeared and put me on ignore . |
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leeky baby
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Originally Posted by dunky_g
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- If you get scammed you honstly are really stupid
Mr. G
I got my EL beetle tonic scammed if that counts...well my own fault really
I reqularly chuck around to guild members so we can zoom round the place as a horde of beetles
one guy (someone wih the full FoW, God among mortals crap) just didnt give it back - I mean if he honestly couldnt ever buy one id be happy but...bleh
On the bright side I liek to think its made me take things less seriously in the game, I mean when GW2 comes what use will that tonic be anyway?
also can I remidn you of the wonderfull Hanlon's Razor
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
I reqularly chuck around to guild members so we can zoom round the place as a horde of beetles
one guy (someone wih the full FoW, God among mortals crap) just didnt give it back - I mean if he honestly couldnt ever buy one id be happy but...bleh
On the bright side I liek to think its made me take things less seriously in the game, I mean when GW2 comes what use will that tonic be anyway?
also can I remidn you of the wonderfull Hanlon's Razor
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Pure Disasta
That isnt a scam you dumbass. There are no set prices that you must sell and buy stuff at you choose what you want to spend or what you want to get. Not to mention pre is a seperate community that doesnt even have a dye trader. Grow up.
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Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them.
Ultra Mega
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Yes, it is a frickin scam, because there ARE set prices for dyes. It's called the trader. Anyone with half a brain (and who cares about being fair) knows that players buy and sell between the trader's buy and sell prices. The fact that it's in pre is completely irrelevant; the perma-pre community does just fine with dyes on their own, and everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway.
Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them. |
It doesn't matter if there are set prices for dyes, the trader can offer whatever price he wants and if the other trader agrees to it then it is not a scam. It may not be ethical but it is not a scam.
wu is me
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Originally Posted by Narcissia
hehe. shouldve shown ur bambi and said r15+ is just the bambi over again
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dunky_g
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Originally Posted by leeky baby
You do?
- If you get scammed you honstly are really stupid |
Smile Like Umean It
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Yes, it is a frickin scam, because there ARE set prices for dyes. It's called the trader. Anyone with half a brain (and who cares about being fair) knows that players buy and sell between the trader's buy and sell prices. The fact that it's in pre is completely irrelevant; the perma-pre community does just fine with dyes on their own, and everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway.
Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them. |
And following that, since Pre is a different community buying the more expensive dyes very cheaply only becomes valuable if you don't use them and you go to Post. Answer me this: How exactly do you know "everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway"? Do you know them personally? Have they told you their plans?
And to go ahead and clarify, no, I don't think it's honorable or right, but neither is it a scam. Both parties agreed to a set price. Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's.
Elia
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
I'm going to have to say that the worst scam attempt ever was when I was selling an elemental sword back in Kamadan, and this person Pm's me in all caps saying "I BUY. GO OUTSIDE WITH ME." So I invite him, figuring he wants to see the skin before he buys. So then he says. "OK. GO DIE."
At that point I asked him if he was going to buy it or not because I had other things to sell, he trades, shows me 100k, and repeats his previous statement. So, being the nice person I am, I go and die to humor him. At which point I ask him again, is he going to buy it or not? So he responds with the bright statement "I BUY. I MAKE MOVIE." So, watching him, I see him ressurect me with Unyielding Aura. This is where I say, "I'm not dropping the sword so you can pick it up when you stop maintaining the enchantment, you imbisile. You waste my time." This is where he left, and I pmed him telling him how pathetic he was. |
dawnmist
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Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's. |
Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes.
That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It
It is relevant given that there is no trader in Pre to set the prices anyway.
And following that, since Pre is a different community buying the more expensive dyes very cheaply only becomes valuable if you don't use them and you go to Post. Answer me this: How exactly do you know "everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway"? Do you know them personally? Have they told you their plans? And to go ahead and clarify, no, I don't think it's honorable or right, but neither is it a scam. Both parties agreed to a set price. Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's. |
Gold is more valuable relatively in pre anyway. Anyone that sells something(ie black dye) ANYWHERE (pre or post) without paying attention to what others are buying/selling for just deserves what they get.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by dawnmist
For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.
Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes. That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant. |
Personette
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
Its called, spending 5 minutes in Ascalon looking at trade and seeing the prices (black and white dye being the only "valuable" drops in pre anyway). thats not too hard and only similar to what youd do if selling something in R/L ( ie, see what the market is). Oh and yes, I will pm a person and tell them if I see them doing something silly.
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People who come to Guild Wars from other MMOs or whatever probably DO know that there will be some sort of trading system - between individuals &/or a middleman - and will be on the lookout for it from the beginning. They might automatically do what you suggest and sit in the main town to get a feel for what's valuable.
GW was the first multiplayer game I'd ever played. I remember asking in Ascalon, when I was just starting, if there was some way of selling the loot that I'd gathered and it took a while for someone to direct me to the merchant instead of just laughing. It didn't feel like a helpful atmosphere and I didn't draw out the encounter. And I had no idea that there would ever be any alternative trading system.
Whatever the outcome of this silly debate about whether buying dyes for cheap in pre is a scam or not, it's clearly wrong. The exact equivalent of stealing candy from a baby - not just mean, but low.
1 up and 2 down
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Originally Posted by dawnmist
For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.
Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes. That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant. |
crazybanshee
I've noticed a huge increase in the amount of people selling moa eggs for 1k (or even hardened moa eggs for 1k) saying they'll hatch into mini moas. They usually spam local chat instead of trade too. I usually call them scammer and say the eggs are free and don't hatch into moas, whoever is listening don't buy them. That usually chases the people away.
MarlinBackna
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
Its called, spending 5 minutes in Ascalon looking at trade and seeing the prices (black and white dye being the only "valuable" drops in pre anyway). thats not too hard and only similar to what youd do if selling something in R/L ( ie, see what the market is). Oh and yes, I will pm a person and tell them if I see them doing something silly.
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Bront
I scammed myself.
Bought monk sunspear shoes, and couldn't find them in my inventory, so I bought a second set thinking I'd salvaged or pitched the first one, only to find the first set. Stupid black on black background.
Bought monk sunspear shoes, and couldn't find them in my inventory, so I bought a second set thinking I'd salvaged or pitched the first one, only to find the first set. Stupid black on black background.
Smile Like Umean It
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Originally Posted by dawnmist
For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.
Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes. That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant. |
You're playing an online game and if you need help and no one's really helping you I'd think it common sense to go online, to the official site at least, to research your question.
So, yeah, it is their fault for being ignorant because they do have the ability to become informed.
And like 1 up and 2 down said, it still doesn't matter whether they're ignorant or not, it still isn't a scam.
A11Eur0
1: Some people aren't as paranoid or as hardcore as you to go out and research every little thing on every little trade they can.
2: said people probably don't care what they get for their items...they get what they need and that's it.
3: They probably cancel each other out...but there are the people out there who DO care about how much they sell their junk for and just don't think about checking on "official" or fan sites to learn. Some don't know how to check, they don't know where to go. I don't even know how I came to learn of Guru...maybe someone said something in-game 3 years ago and I just checked it out.
Either way...if you know what something is worth, and OFFER a huge lowball amount...it's not really a scam. If you convince someone that something isn't worth what they're asking, even if it is...THAT is a scam. There's a difference. If you LIE at all concerning the value of the item, knowingly...it's a scam, whether they accept it or not. If you advertise that you're paying 50g for ANY dye out there, and some nub who just zoned in and doesn't see the "WTB black dye 9k" messages flooding presear ascalon runs up to you and opens trade with his three blacks he got doing his quests...that's not really a scam because you advertised and delivered on it.
It's not the price and the item, but the method the price for said item is agreed upon that makes it a scam or not.
2: said people probably don't care what they get for their items...they get what they need and that's it.
3: They probably cancel each other out...but there are the people out there who DO care about how much they sell their junk for and just don't think about checking on "official" or fan sites to learn. Some don't know how to check, they don't know where to go. I don't even know how I came to learn of Guru...maybe someone said something in-game 3 years ago and I just checked it out.
Either way...if you know what something is worth, and OFFER a huge lowball amount...it's not really a scam. If you convince someone that something isn't worth what they're asking, even if it is...THAT is a scam. There's a difference. If you LIE at all concerning the value of the item, knowingly...it's a scam, whether they accept it or not. If you advertise that you're paying 50g for ANY dye out there, and some nub who just zoned in and doesn't see the "WTB black dye 9k" messages flooding presear ascalon runs up to you and opens trade with his three blacks he got doing his quests...that's not really a scam because you advertised and delivered on it.
It's not the price and the item, but the method the price for said item is agreed upon that makes it a scam or not.
Smile Like Umean It
Firstly there is a difference between paranoia and wanting to be informed on something that I'm playing. And it isn't hardcore given that I very rarely trade. Never to random people in the game and rarely here through the forums or Guru's auction site.
I simply looked up an information site after asking others because I liked playing the game and knew eventually I was going to have more questions. Why bother others when I can become self-reliant?
2. Wth does it matter then? They're happy with what they're getting and at the end of the day that's what's important to them.
3. At the very least anyone who is playing an online game knows what Google or Yahoo is. Are you saying it wouldn't occur to them to try typing in a simple search to see what happens?
As for telling a lie to lower or jack up prices, I never said any different.
I simply looked up an information site after asking others because I liked playing the game and knew eventually I was going to have more questions. Why bother others when I can become self-reliant?
2. Wth does it matter then? They're happy with what they're getting and at the end of the day that's what's important to them.
3. At the very least anyone who is playing an online game knows what Google or Yahoo is. Are you saying it wouldn't occur to them to try typing in a simple search to see what happens?
As for telling a lie to lower or jack up prices, I never said any different.
JASON626
Some guy tried to sell me mursaat tokens as ectos
MercenaryKnight
Not so much a scam per say as just being a pain. I hate how people offer "runs for tips" which as about 90% of people will know that if your doing a run for tips it is whatever they decide to give you (or they don't give you anything at all because "tips aren't mandatory"). So I go and get like 3 runs from the same person and give them 500g each time and he complains that normal runs are 1.5k or whatever and I tell him that it's 500g more than noone at all and he starts getting all mad and complaining and telling me to leave.
I don't understand how people can complain about running for tips and then not getting enough money. Considering any person who joins and gives you something is better than a blank spot where you get nothing.
I don't understand how people can complain about running for tips and then not getting enough money. Considering any person who joins and gives you something is better than a blank spot where you get nothing.
Fay Vert
I used to run for free, people used to give me tips anyway, some gave a lot, some a little, I thanked them equally. One guy payed me nothing and then laughed at how he had scammed me lol.
And buying dyes cheap of of noobs is scamming to me, thats just exploitation of new players, deliberate to make a profit at someone elses expense.
Why isn't there a dye trader in pre?
And buying dyes cheap of of noobs is scamming to me, thats just exploitation of new players, deliberate to make a profit at someone elses expense.
Why isn't there a dye trader in pre?
Tatile
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
Why isn't there a dye trader in pre?
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Originally Posted by Shadow Slave
Please tell me you have been wandering around in 'default dye' armor for three years complaining that there is nowhere to acquire the dye you would like....
You may wish to explore you nearest Outpost/City in greater detail... Then /uninstall |
Could next time be a little less insulting please? I know you must take great pleasure in it, but please just because some people have poor memories does not give you the right to tell us to quit the game.
Thanks.
Wait, I've been playing for three years? Where the hell are my second year mini pets then!
Shadow Slave
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Originally Posted by Tatile
There isn't a dye trader in the game... people would most likely whine about there not being others outside of Pre.
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You may wish to explore your nearest Outpost/City in greater detail...
Then /uninstall
Edit: It was just light humour - please calm thyself
CagedinSanity
Selling something for 2k and they tried putting just "2g". I can see how that could work with some people, especially ones looking for a fast trade.
Didn't work with me.
I feel special because I noticed it.
The guy claimed it was accidental, and DID pay the full price. I just don't believe he "accidentally" clicked 2 in normal gold.
Didn't work with me.
I feel special because I noticed it.
The guy claimed it was accidental, and DID pay the full price. I just don't believe he "accidentally" clicked 2 in normal gold.
Skyy High
To the dye thing:
Are you deliberately paying less than you should, less than the item is worth to anyone "in the know", to make a profit? Yes? Then it's a scam. The fact that it's the result of the ignorance of a new player just means you're scamming an ignorant new player. Kudos to you for being all eager to Google everything about the game, but I highly doubt that most people are going to bring up their browser and search for info 5 minutes into starting their new game.
This would largely be alleviated if the /help and /wiki commands were actually explained in-game, rather than being something people have to tell each other.
Are you deliberately paying less than you should, less than the item is worth to anyone "in the know", to make a profit? Yes? Then it's a scam. The fact that it's the result of the ignorance of a new player just means you're scamming an ignorant new player. Kudos to you for being all eager to Google everything about the game, but I highly doubt that most people are going to bring up their browser and search for info 5 minutes into starting their new game.
This would largely be alleviated if the /help and /wiki commands were actually explained in-game, rather than being something people have to tell each other.
Holly Herro
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Originally Posted by Uber 1337 Polymorph King
Ok, here are the pathetic scams I've almost had done to me and a friend. So:
My Friends Scamming experiences: My friend had been in a group with one guy, and he had his Kungavang out. (This is when minipets were really expensive.) They had finished there mission or whatever and everything is fine. A few days later: (pm)Guy:Hey, remember me? Friend:Yeah. Guy:I want to buy that dragon, I will pay 10k. Friend: No way, thats a horrible deal. Guy: No its not. Friend: Yeah it is. Guy: Well, Oh Ya? I was on Guild Wars Guru Auction Board and some people were selling some for 10k. Friend: I am still not trading, besides it would go to my friend first.(Me) I dont know what happened to him, but you get the idea. My Scamming experiences: So I am recruiting for my guild, and this guy asks to join. I ask recruits questions first and he said he he sold a couple guilds of his. So, I am like whatever, he can join. So In our guild hall the topic minipets comes up, and he asked to show him my collection. So I brought out my Kungavaan, he gets all excited. He asks me to have it for a minute, because he will give it right back. I say no. So I go one and he does the same things with troll, rurik, varesh, titan and so on. I say no to all of them. (He is still promising to give them back.) I offer him a whiptail, he says no and he whines becuase he wants my "dragon" (kungavaang). I said I had to go. went, told that friend that I told about earlier, told him I thaught he was scamming, he told me to kick him out, so a minute later when I try to, he left the guild. This happened months ago though. The other day, however, I tried adding the guy to my friends list to "Talk" to him, he had deleted that character. Wimp Uber 1337 Polymorph King |
I used to have a guild, I used to basically teach gold farmers how to speak English because I was really really bored.
So one day, I'm teaching about 6 of them how to use proper grammar/sentences instead "selling **** xxk"
And then I was bored, so I put my minipet on, like my mini rurik (ayeeeeeeee) and then they all leave except for this 1 guy, and he asks me if he could play with my mini pet, and I was like oO? He then opens trade, so I give it to him, and he's running around for about an hour with it before he gives it back xD
It was fun =]
bowz
i sold a mini pig for 100k +100e the first day it came out
Avai
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
...I hate how people offer "runs for tips" ...I go and get like 3 runs from the same person and give them 500g each time and he complains that normal runs are 1.5k...
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@OP: I used to get scammed buying "pink" dye made with warrior's dye remover (before the dye updates) and when I applied the dye to my mesmer it appeared brown. It took me forever to realize this was because the mesmer base color was green, so the mixed dye was adding green to the pink. :'(
untouchable
Some guy was selling a "Mini Panda" for 23k, so I told him i'd buy it and he goes, "Ok theres only 1 rule, as soon as I put it up hit accept", I was like alright.....So he put it up and it was gold daggers, then i told him i want to buy the Panda, so he said ok, and put up a gold bow....lmfao wtf.
This isn't a scamming attempt but I went to buy something one day for 200g and ended up putting 20k, but the guy was nice enough to give me back the 20k
This isn't a scamming attempt but I went to buy something one day for 200g and ended up putting 20k, but the guy was nice enough to give me back the 20k
kobey
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Originally Posted by bowz
i sold a mini pig for 100k +100e the first day it came out
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Fear Me!
Being in a guild called Girl Power, asked to help them out with the promise of being helped in return, only for them to blatantly help out someone else. This would happen several times over with them even going so far as to use guildchat to say that they remembered to promise to help someone on a different occasion, but not me. Or they would interject with "oh, but someone else needs help". The sweet sound of crickets was always amusing, but I made good friends with those few who didn't fall under 'the most pathetic scam attempt'.
Narcissia
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Originally Posted by flubber
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=14
just in case, for (future reference) when it gets deleted... just lulz. |
dread slayer
Lolz the day the Celestial Pig came..... I sold mine for 100k+ 25 ect...
.... Now they're worth around 30k.....
.... Now they're worth around 30k.....
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by dread slayer
Lolz the day the Celestial Pig came..... I sold mine for 100k+ 25 ect...
.... Now they're worth around 30k..... |
I MP I
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Originally Posted by flubber
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=14
just in case, for (future reference) when it gets deleted... just lulz. |
This wins no doubt about it.
Reaper of Phear
There was one guy who tried to trade me what was a real good gold sword (this was at least 2 years back, so idk what it was exactly or why it was good, i just remeber that i really wanted that sword, until...) except that it was customized. It was in the trade window and everything, I almost accepted until i realized it was a customized sword.
I then proceeded to run around spamming that X guy is a scammer, dont trade with him.
I then proceeded to run around spamming that X guy is a scammer, dont trade with him.
Lykan
Selling something for more than its worth isnt a scam.
Offering someone a stupidly low price for a high priced item isnt a scam.
Showing somebody something and then having them repeatedly ask for it isnt a scam.
Most of these are getting silly now.
And im sure ive got a Bday Gift on a PvP char in the past.
Offering someone a stupidly low price for a high priced item isnt a scam.
Showing somebody something and then having them repeatedly ask for it isnt a scam.
Most of these are getting silly now.
And im sure ive got a Bday Gift on a PvP char in the past.