Ursanway ... vanquish PUG annoyance?

Zamochit

Zamochit

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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I agree that 'champion' is a title worthy of respect ~ shame so many champ range guilds are being sold on to others so they can farm champ points off of each other though ~ Its sad.

Mr. Undisclosed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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I did not say using UB was following playstyle. I said theres plenty of mesmers that have fun playing a mesmer and are damn good at it too but I'm sure its a bitch for them to find groups for elite missions and the such so they resort to ursan for a short time to be able to experience them.

Would also like to add in this.


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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
On the topic of SMS, i agree they are very skilled players. But them trashing UB the way they do, and then use one of the most imba builds in PvE history is just hilarious to say the least. For the record TNTF+SY Paragon = UB.
Old but QFT. Makes me feel sorta bad for having an imbagon.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

They wouldn't have to resort to UB if they didn't get stuck with stupid people.

Mr. Undisclosed

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To be honest mesmers don't have much of a place in most elite missions. In my eyes why gimp yourself with a profession that isn't much use?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

And that's why so many people frown upon them. They're not "gimped," they just have to work a bit harder to "find a spot," per se, in PvE.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

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Why are people so pissed off at Ursan? I don't run it and don't care for it and i can still find groups that play with real builds..... of course I am a monk and it's not that hard to find groups, but still why all the hate, if you can't beat them! JOIN them! sheeeeeesh.

Skyy High

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Join Date: May 2006

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Why are people so pissed off at Ursan? I don't run it and don't care for it and i can still find groups that play with real builds..... of course I am a monk and it's not that hard to find groups, but still why all the hate, if you can't beat them! JOIN them! sheeeeeesh.
Because some people don't particularly like pressing 1-2-1-1-2-1-1 while watching TV to be the definition of "elite mission."

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

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Join Date: Jan 2008

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Quote:
Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Why are people so pissed off at Ursan? I don't run it and don't care for it and i can still find groups that play with real builds..... of course I am a monk and it's not that hard to find groups, but still why all the hate, if you can't beat them! JOIN them! sheeeeeesh.
Other then what was mentioned b4, of what I have noticed, a lot of "HM" guilds are full ursan runners, so for people like me who like to do HM and elite areas a lot, its either ursan or h/h, which cannot be done in elite areas. Also, for people like me, who hate to rely fully on monks to heal them, Ursans a big no since there are no self-heals.

I say ursan needs a nerf for non-norn areas. So the only elite area that it would be very useful in is Slavers'

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Because some people don't particularly like pressing 1-2-1-1-2-1-1 while watching TV to be the definition of "elite mission."
That about explains it.

Akolo

Akolo

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

I say ursan needs a nerf for non-norn areas. So the only elite area that it would be very useful in is Slavers'
good idea( though i wouldnt mind if it was good, though please not as overpowered as it now is in other areas).... though dungeons doesnt count as norn areas

Mr. Undisclosed

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And that's why so many people frown upon them. They're not "gimped," they just have to work a bit harder to "find a spot," per se, in PvE.
Actually I was talking about team leaders gimping themselves.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi
Actually I was talking about team leaders gimping themselves.
And? How would they be gimping themselves with a Mesmer that knew how to play?

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

mesmers are pretty much known to be gimped in PvE, but thats another thread.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Quote:
Originally Posted by street peddler
mesmers are pretty much known to be gimped in PvE, but thats another thread.
They do have problems, I won't deny, but saying they're "useless" is a different (and wrong) matter.

Voltaic Annihilator

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

E/Me

screw ursan...sab ftw!

jadedragoon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Terribad Turtles [TaNK]

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Personally I really don't mind ursan. Yes it is overpowering but what really gets me annoyed are people that won't take someone that is rank 8 or 7 in the Norn title track because they believe "your rank is to low" and therefore some how not experienced enough or some other bizarre reason/ idk

If you don't believe me try getting into a group for a fow hm. Elitest pvers?? For button mashing? When did rank matter in a skill that is already overpowered?

This is just my experience. Others experience may vary.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by street peddler
mesmers are pretty much known to be gimped in PvE, but thats another thread.
I heard interrupting those nasty high-damage nuker bosses was good. I heard shutting down the enemy mob's healers was good.

Mr. Undisclosed

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And? How would they be gimping themselves with a Mesmer that knew how to play?
Because mesmers don't have a niche, they don't really have a role to play.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi
Because mesmers don't have a niche, they don't really have a role to play.
I hope you're not assuming they can't contribute anything to the group? One who knows what they're doing can contribute very, very well.

Mr. Undisclosed

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No doubt, but what they contribute just isn't as noticable as say a nuker.

Zahr Dalsk

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Mesmers also have the job of looking Pretty Damn Awesome, which improves party morale.

Redfeather1975

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I think the reason why people think mesmers are gimped in PvE is because the majority of overly effective builds that groups use for the majority of PvE don't hinge on linked mesmer skills.
Also e-denial skills are pointless in PvE and long recharge interrupts are of little effectiveness either.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi
No doubt, but what they contribute just isn't as noticable as say a nuker.
They can be as effective, just not as easily. And by nuker I'm assuming Ele, not an actual AoE nuker...Those aren't good.

cellardweller

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oops wrong thread

Mr. Undisclosed

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Delete button is /win.

But yes, I was referring to eles. Force of habbit