Now that BMP is out, why are so many people regretting not getting it?

If you also have follow these BMP thread, you know I don't support boxes, I support anything that does not need a box. I just wish this petition for BMP to be sold again is done peacefully without all this sarcasm and counter protest.

You are wrong.
GWEN as a product didn't change in the online store. You need to learn what BONUS and PROMOTION mean. And the BMP was never tied to GWEN. It was tied to online purchase, you had to spend 29 USD or more to get it. But buying GWEN through the online store you also met the requirements of the BMP.
- You knew it was a limited offer.
- You knew that you can buy the retail version for a long time if you want a box probably cheaper than at the release time.
- You chosed the BOX because you thought the BMP would suck, but it didn't and now you want it.

Counter protests is part of every gaming community.
It would be wrong not to allow it, since all got their right to come with their point of view.
Sarcasm can go to far sometimes, if you find it does, you should contact a moderator about it.
Look at other game forums and you will see exactly the same when someone makes a petition or posts an opinion.

Seller A offers a Chevrolet model XY for 50k USD
Seller B offers a Chevrolet model XY for 45k USD

Seller A for a limited time equips all cars he sells with an exclusive Chevrolet-branded car hi-fi.
After that period, the esclusive hi-fi will be no longer installed, and prices for all cars will remain the same as usual.

You want to buy a Chevrolet model XY.
You have the possibility to buy either from seller A or from seller B.
You have to take a decision.
You choose to buy it from seller A.

Why? Because you want the exclusive car hi-fi.
So you choose to buy the product "Chevrolet model XY + exclusive hi-fi" which is different from the product "Chevrolet model XY"

Have you paid for the exclusive car hi-fi?
YES. It costed you 5k USD, which you would have saved buying the same car from seller B.

Why don't you email Anet that "logic" instead of posting it here. Even if you managed to sway us, we can't change anything. I don't even know why you people bother trying to convince other people who can't do anything for you.

Well, I posted here because many people were firmly convinced they didn't pay anything for the BMP, whereas I tried to show that they actually paid for it.


As far as the relationship with A.net is concerned, I'm an A.net/NC customer, I buy their products both online and from retailers, and I'm not satisfied with the commercial approach they adopted in this case.

As a customer, it's my right to express my disagreement with the marketing policies of the company I buy from.

I see you live in the US, well US give all the world brilliant examples of the customers' power through their class actions.
I live in Italy, and here there aren't even specific laws about class actions. They're simply not possible.

What is a class action? It's an expression of the disagreement of the market with some decision of the industry, with the goal to influence the industry to change it's policies.
A single customer may probably count nothing alone, a group instead has a strenght.


That's why I post on a board, hoping that my opinion together with that of other customers will contribute to influence and change the commercial policies of A.net which I discuss from a customer-supplier relationship point of view.

On the OP's original question, i don't regret not getting it at this point, just would like an opportunity to get it around Xmas (or a later date)

no, he is wrong. it was your choice to spend. period. or like you have said. 'many of us wouldn't have spent otherwise' -otherwise meaning you knew it was a blueberry pie, but wanted to stick your fingers in it(for a taste)to make sure. the Quality of GW GAME PLAY (other than nerfs) hasn't let me down since '05. same goes for a ton of others.

which is exactly how all these other people who feel they missed out on 'something big' are gonna feel. that is, unless they like to pay for skins.
they are gonna be like 'wtf this sux' I paid '$xx for THIS?' even after the content has now gone public.

when gambling lol, you can only:
win
break even
get broke

I didn't pay a thing for the BMP... I was smart and bought GWEN online and that was it. I was going to buy GWEN anyway. It just so happens the amount qualified me for the BMP. I'd have bought GWEN anyway online even if there was no BMP.

But I win. I got both and as I see it, I got the BMP for free because I bought what I needed to begin with, not because I had to in order to get the BMP.

It was my choice to go for this gamble, obviously. But it was a gamble, and making people gamble is nice when you're a casino, but otherwise, not so much. I prefer to see what I'm spending my money on, before I spend it.

And I'd agree with them. It sucks and I wouldn't have spent money if I knew in advance what I'd get.

There's also cutting your losses and moving on.

Well, so your case is not relevant here, because we're discussing about customers who had alternatives and evaluated different alternatives before choosing the way to purchase.

to what? the next 'gamble'? lol.

after all of the free content that has been handed to me, I don't mind staking my backers a little bit. I -owe- it to them. now if there was monthly fees...meh...lol.

I haven't bought any other anet/Ncsoft program. Gw & it's campaigns have given me many hours of enjoyment, for that, I don't mind in the slightest, answering their call (via using the ingame store) for some more buisness.

I am not loyal, I am a gamer. as soon as something more fascinating comes down the pike, I'm all over it like stink on poop. [Age of Conan anyone?]

Same here, but ...

In 2005, when I and many others asked for additional character slots, the answer from A.net representative to all our repeated requests was
"we currently have no plans about that"
As a customer who really loved GW for the same reasons you said before, I decided to buy a second account.

Then after months Factions came, and the possibility to buy additional slots.
Did I feel ripped? Just a bit.
I could have deleted the 3 characters of my second account and used only one, but I decided to keep them both.

Why? Because, maybe stupidly, I thought it was my "answering their call", and this was my little contribution to finance a company which produced a game that I liked (and like) more then any other.
And during time, I've continued to buy double campaigns, and when unlock packs were made available, also double packs.

Then this offer of the BMP came.
Many disagreed immediately with the proposal, and asked for the BMP to be sold separately.
As in 2005, what was the answer?
"we currently have no plans about that"
Again.

This time I'm not willing to accept blindly their marketing policy.


A.net is a good company, they produce a great videogame.
But their marketing is orrendous.
They make the silliest and unbelievable mistakes when dealing with their customers.

The only thing they should do is take all their marketing people and fire them all at once, and hire qualified professionals instead.

make no mistake about it. the character slots (extra) were planned as a sale item a long time ago. why do you think they robbed us of slots when we merged accounts(proph&factions) lol?

How long have you been playing?
In August 2005 the official answer was the one I told you.
Your example of Factions is right, in fact I wrote that slots came with Factions, but Factions came in February 2006, 6 months later ...

wow a whole 7 months...
lol @ official answers.

and I started playing last week.. is that a problem? lol

No, just wanted to know how much you remember of the "history" of GW, if you were not playing in August 2005 you could not remember that thing ...

I can't imagine Anet re-releasing the BMP. Back then people were complaining about not having the collectors edition of Prophecies, Factions, or Nightfall so they could get the glowy hands/mini pet/fancy dances... Anet said they will absolutely not release these again nor separately through the online store, because it was something special that people deserved for getting the collectors edition. The same thing goes for the BMP, it is just something extra you got for for supporting the store. Is it so hard to accept that?

And I still lol because this BMP was announced before EOTN even came out, there is no excuse not to qualify for it between then and October 31st.

Like what you didn't have a credit card? Couldn't apply for one? Couldn't pry one off your grandma? There is no excuse. Even if your credit card had some lame pin number I keep hearing about in these European countries, that isn't stopping you from finding another credit card.

And then there is the argument about how people didn't expect these items to be included in the BMP. Anet specifically said right on the website:

"What items are rewarded for the missions obtained through the Bonus Mission Pack?

We are not going to release that information because we would like to surprise players with the rewards."

Seriously isn't that enough to suggest that the unique rewards are indeed something worth getting?

Okay and this is personal favorite... WAAH WAAH I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE EOTN BOX INSTEAD OF THE BMP! You want a box??? Here's your damn box:



I'll even hold your hand and take you through this.

(1) We have single disc in a plastic case, good graphics on the case though right?
(2) A flimsy 20 page "manuscript" which I find to be the lowest quality of all the manuscripts released in the previous games because it is just a few pages stapled together. Not to mention you can get it on the website for free.
(3) The incredibly useless Playsmart tips slip.
(4) The standard NC Soft games catalogue that hasn't changed for 2 years.
(5) Trial codes for Lineage and City of Heroes. Real big surprise there.

Can you really tell me that it was worth it?

why would I remember that? you and few others were just trying to convince people that extra character slots are a waste. especially if they were bought in order to qualify for something else. I don't remember un-important wastes. only the important ones.(ones I deem important)

[QUOTE]since early beta so what?

wrong again

try 1 year after GW was released at the end of APRIL not FEB

welcome to the facts

Uninformed 'I keep hearing about' remarks don't add anything of value to the discussion.

6) 33% cheaper than the online store, without requiring to bend over backwards to even find a way to pay for it.

I actually got the BMP despite ANet's best efforts to make it an unfavorable deal, and it disgusts me.

Worthless eye-candy. No replay value whatsoever, just a bigger drag everytime you have to play through one of those 'missions' to score another weapon. Solo play with builds absolutely set in stone regardless of your character's profession? Anyone who'd want to actually pay for this should have his or her head examined. It's no more than 3 or 4 hours of entertainment, and that's stretching it. A glorified cinematic, that's what it is.