Now that BMP is out, why are so many people regretting not getting it?

It makes me more and more sad that people are regretting it because of the weapon skins, and not the fact that they are missing out on good missions.

Thats so superficial and petty to envy the weapon and not the fun experience that the person gets.

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If anet said buy $30 at the store and you get a free bonus, without ANY details about it would anyone have taken it?

If you had stuf to buy anyway, theres nothing to lose.
If you had no stuff to buy, then you certainly would be less inclined to buy it.

But really...instead of blaming them for "lack of info" on the BMP, you should be complaining about the "lack of anything to buy".

Now the see the weapons and Tubes with cutscenes and they regret it.

Google 'MithranArkanere Visa'

The first post will be myself in this forum warning about pre-paid credit cards for those who can't get real credit cards.
And I was not the only one warning about them.

Now they regret it. But it took me 25 minutes to get one (Including the walk from my house to the bank) and It worked, I got all the character slots I needed, the million-editin update and then the purchases for the BMP. I even got all the available DirectSong soundtracks with it. With no extra charges! Just like transportation cards. Pay to put the money in, the same money is spent.

People usually goes for the 'monke see monkey do'. But hey, sooner or later you see the stuff and want it. Why don't they believe a little more in Anet and take the chances when Anet gives them?

While I don't blame ArenaNet for my inability to get the bonus pack, I would really appreciate it if they did put it in the online store. I had not played Guild Wars since June 2005 and began playing again during the middle of last month, missing the window in which I could have qualified for the BMP.

It just doesn't seem to me that there would be a downside to putting the BMP up for purchase in the store for ten to fifteen bucks.

I was offended because it was offensive and thats how the hypocrite intended it to be. When I saw the promotion I brought 3 character slots in August to ensure I had the BMP. Now some hypercritical whiner declares me sad, because he is too short sighted to handle his business? I didn't need the slots at all, however the extra content was well worth it. And eventually I did find use for the slots.


Yes you did, you need to stop being hypercritical in every post you make. You put that out there as an insult. As least be man enough to admit it.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

Its pretty obvious why this is the case actually.

Thats because the ppl without , now have visual access to the weapons via pictures on wiki , here etc.

Not so with the missions, hence ppl dont know what theyre missing and so cant regret it.

If ppl were allowed to see the missions on observer mode , then youd have ppl regretting it because of the missions i think.

Honestly why do you guys bother, your complaining really isn't going to change anything. I think it was fair to introduce an expansion at the same time as the offer. I was going to go buy GW:EN from the store, then found that ANET was giving out a bonus deal. Of course i bought the bonus, not knowing there would be rly good items in store.

Im sure a lot of smart people who are discontent emailed ANET and complained to them, and they will probably be the reason that the BMP will ever be released. If there are enough people who think that, sure its possible, but you guys should join in and add to that support, then just shut up >_<.. its not like this effects the rest of your game in any way, you certainly chose not to buy. If not you will be complaining to the end.

I'm not complaining against A net per se. I just don't like people gloating and putting others down when said others's position is entirely reasonable and understandable.

Rather I gave my reasons as to why I regret not getting the BMP, which I believe is the topic title's question. It just so happens that my regret is in part due to ANET's handling of it's promotion.

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"Yes you did, you need to stop being hypercritical--"

Hypercritical?

I stopped reading there.

PAYSAFE is win. It is so easy to use. NCsoft should add support for PaySafe to all their games imo.

I think they handled the promotion well, and that shouldn't be what people are so worked up over.

Its the store, the lack of things to buy (For some people), and the lack of support for some buyers that is my complaint.

Complaining that "you didnt know enough" is a poor excuse. We all had access to the same info. We all made decisions to buy $30 of stuff or to not based on the same information.

What youre saying is that some took a gamble , others didnt. The gamble turns out to pay off in the end and hence you have people regretting not taking it, and others complaining that it should not have been a (such a) gamble, but (more of) an informed choice.

-Buying $30 worth of effectively nothing to get the BMP is not something most people would do unless the rewards were exceptional.

They didnt because they didnt know, or think there was much of a chance of the rewards/missions being exceptional

Yet they turned out to be exceptional.

Others simply couldnt buy online.

Hence the regret, and the answer to the OP's original question.

It really isnt something that can be argued against , unless you make a habit of telling people how to feel.

There is no debate here.

It's really as simple as that.

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and PS - before I'm called a "hypercrite" again, I would like to point out that all I've said is for people to mind how they express their opinions in a way that isnt unnecessarily rude or belittling to another's regret.

I'll be honest, I didn't get it because of two reasons:

1) I've heard of so many bad stories in the past about people being hacked by buying things from the online store, I avoided it like the plague. I ignored anything related to it because I thought that anything you wanted you could just buy it in a retail store. Due to this I was clueless about the BMP, despite all the promotional news.

2) I didn't expect this caliber of weapon skins that you could obtain OVER and OVER again. I'm jealous of all the free, nice looking weapon skins that I can't obtain. This was/is generally the main reason I do want the BMP now.

I'm not complaining about not getting it, as it was available for quite some time though. I'm just admitting that because of the reasons above, I believe they should make it available again through the same outlet or in retail stores as a bonus gift for those buying a campaign of the GW series. I believe this would further increase their revenue and they could play it off as a holiday sale. And although I'm sure some people did I have complications in buying something through the online store, I'm also sure that the majority of those ranting about not being able to get it in hindsight are only masking their reasons behind a veil of feigned helplessness.

I heard about the bonus pack but didn't plan on buying it. I did buy prophecies back in July through the online store and lo and behold I got it free.

Anyway I thought that was pretty cool and my undead sword is kick-ass

I think it does matter, because a specified amount sets specific expectations. People being told to expect $1,050 and miss out on $50,000 based on those clear expectations is one thing. People being told "a lot of money" and then missing out because they underestimated what that meant is another. In your case, you can blame Anet if you choose to for withholding vital information from you but the decision you make based on that lack of information is not their fault.

The question I'm concerned with isn't whether you take offense, it's whether the fact that you take offense is reason enough to assert that these things have no right to be said.

Either semantics, or you misunderstood the analogy, or I misunderstood your point. I'm comparing "see movie in theater" to the BMP ("free viewing" representing the limited time promotion with the conditional investment needed for BMP reflected by a time commitment), "movie preview" to the limited information we were given beforehand, and "rent later" to your current state of seeing what the BMP is in full while not being able to experience it firsthand (which would be "seeing in theaters"). I don't quite see what "pricing the movie at five times its worth" has to do with the issue, since the BMP wasn't offered at any price or in any form other than a freebie for the online $30 purchase.

Agreed. Just for the record though I'll point out I never said anything about passing up the BMP being unreasonable.

I agree it's not nice on the part of the rude people, but it's time for me to play devil's advocate. Suppose you qualified for the BMP fair and square, giving up the pretty game box and fancy material extras that you (depending on who you are) may have been interested in, because Anet made it perfectly clear this opportunity wouldn't come around again. Suppose some people made fun of you for it, laughing at you (pretty rudely in some cases) because the BMP was obviously going to be a waste of all your trouble.

But then it comes around and not only are you very happy with the BMP, but some people (including a few that gave you hell before) are now pushing for Anet to give it to them either through some second chance or (in some cases) even an outright no-strings-attached freebie. Wouldn't you resent the reasoning that they shouldn't have to have met the same requirements that were imposed on you in order to get the content, just because they misgauged what they'd be getting?

One could argue that's a gamble you took by partaking in the promotion. But when we're dealing with trying to satisfy people who feel they lost out on a different gamble, doesn't the fact that now other players will lose this gamble make it self-defeating?

I'm not making a point as far as whether this is right or wrong and I'm not justifying anything. But I think it's worth considering that the people you see being rude and unfair are feeling pretty offended themselves.

XD Helplessness...lol no. Only mild regret. I prefer the tormented skins on my main chars anyway, so this would be for the heroes only, and possibly the fun of the missions.

But yeah , thats why my points have been more toward highlighting why it's reasonable to regret not going for it, and why ppl shouldnt jump down the throats of people who do regret it , especially since thats the topic title rofl. Some of the skins are indeed great, especially the mursaat ones.

Seems to me , that the topic was made to gather all those who do have regrets and complaints, so that it'd be easier for others who have the BMP, to tell them to shut up and get over it etc...SO shame on you OP.

We can use paypall. That's helpfull how?

Well could you ask your guildies to post here about that? I've looked at the dutch end of the website for about 10 mins, and can 't find any link on how to get a pre-paid card of them

Ah but that's not what I'm debating. I'm not debating those who were due for a purchase of EotN anyway, but for some reason chose to buy in retail instead of online. For them I agree that a certain degree of incredulty , (but not rudeness) may be warranted by those who bought it "fair and square"

But it can be argued that retail customers are just as valuable as online..so ya , like i say its a different tangent on this issue.

What I'm debating is those who got the BMP and are showing that same incredulty or rudeness to those who are regretting not taking part, but were not intending to buy EotN during that period or couldnt , or couldnt use the online service for whatever reason. And the rewards werent made clear enough to warrant them doing a complete U turn on their spending habits and buying the BMP just for it's own sake.

And Thats my point. It's wrong for those to be rude to others who regret- for not shelling out $30 at the online store to buy it for it's own sake, when they werent expecting rewards or content this fantastic, and hence wouldnt of been motivated into effectively buying useless junk (aka not EoTN) just to gamble on the BMP.

So to sum up, it would come down to them being rude to those who express regret, ppl who's choice was limited to ..

1) Being fianancially manipulated. or
2) Missing out on everything the BMP offers.


Maybe it's just me, but I think it's wrong to delight in another's regret. Speaking for myself, if I got the BMP and others didnt, then I would be in favour of giving others a chance to be involved in it, as long as they pay the same or similar conditions to what I did. Why wouldnt I? So I can delight in me having it and someone else wanting it? I can understand this for you know, weapons that are actually rare, but quite alot of people are going to have these weapons now anyway, So why wouldnt I want others to enjoy the game and be included?

Ty. you and the others have failed to make a choice. a choice that was easily made. 'I will Buy this or I don't think I will buy this.'

/edit. it's not that you failed (in the choice department), it's that you didn't make the 'right' choice.

/lol
your regret isn't felt too much by the people who actually responded to anet's call to please use their online store.
/endlol

All in all, I think this is another example of ANet's misguided attempt to do something nice for its customers (and make a little profit too). I'm glad people are getting some enjoyment from the BMP, but I also consider it unfortunate that some who did not/could not take advantage of the offer are unable to benefit. And I also consider it unfortunate that ANet has chosen a means to displease some of its established customers to make likely a small amount of profit (although I can't fault them for trying to make an honest dollar, pound, etc.).

The bad PR from this whole endeavor should be considered by ANet in any future offerings. I've read numerous well-stated arguments on both sides of this issue (and many less so ) but I hope that ANet learns from this situation and considers ALL of its existing customer base in the future. Whether selling a product for an appropriate price or simply offering it free to all, I hope the actions they take do not prompt such divisive conflict.

I come to the conclusion that the people repeatedly making such decisions at ANet (or perhaps its owners) either do not anticipate the impacts, or simply do not care. I believe they likely care about making a quality product and making a profit, but some of their decisions over the 2+ years I've been playing give me cause for concern. They've done many, many good things, and should be proud of them, but I also think they've made mistakes (its only human). They should recognize them, admit them, and learn from them when planning the next project.

Granted, many of those who are now expressing their displeasure could have acquired the BMP by making a qualified purchase (if they chose to do so, I did not), but my open question to ANet is why complicate such matters? Why not find another way to develop and satisfy its entire client base?

so how was this bad PR? because it didn't refine every detail?

they had my money hook, line, and sinker. any 'company' that gives me over 4,ooo logged gaming hours, for free...since '05, has SAVED me money.

Paypal offers pre-paid master cards. Once again your argument that you couldn't get one of those in the Netherlands is refuted. And yet you make the same point over and over and over again despite people having shown you on multiple occasions that you could have gotten one.

Now to address Haijiibirdhead. I don't think anyone is necessarily delighting in other people's regret at not purchasing the BMP, well maybe some people are, but I think the point is a lot of these people experiencing regret at not getting the BMP when it was offered are now expecting Arena Net to make allowances for their regret. I think that is unreasonable. Yes you can regret not purchasing it but to say to Areana Net that they should offer it again just because you regret not buying it when you had the opportunity is just foolish.

well due to the other idea in sardelac(Petition for the content to be free.NO WEAPONS!)
i really think alot of people are undeserving of it - if people wanted the content which BMP was ment to be - people would of signed it.
seriously.

My main objection for allowing it to be bought or gotten in some way after the promotion is that I didn't have the option to see it beforehand to decide whether it was worth the trouble getting. I did not want my account linked to playNc and would have bought GWEN from a local store had it not been for the promotion. They offered game content, which from what was posted on their website appeared to be only available through this promotion. If I had known that we could get it again after it was released (so that I could read what others posted about it, see screenshots etc.), I would have waited before using the online store, which I was hesitant to do. I'm sorry if you didn't get the bmp and wish you had for whatever reason, but expecting them to offer it again now seems highly unreasonable to me. If you didn't have the money, that sucks. However, limited time offers generally don't wait for people to acquiring the funds.

im fine with them offering it again.
but if people QQ after that - theyre just stupid and dont understand actions have consiquences

The promotion IS over. It was from early July until October 31. The promotion (promoting sales in the ingame/online store) was that one could qualify for the BMP if they purchased 30USD worth of product in the ingame or online store during a limited time period. The promotion ended October 31. It will always be the bonus mission pack, and it will always be available to those who took advantage of the promotion.

From the BMP FAQ on the GW site:

But I'm sure someone has already explained that to you by now. Your post was two pages ago.

Anet seems to listen to customer complaints though.

We were unhappy with the weapons in GW:EN, and they must have realised their marketing mistake and paid us back with great BMP weapons.

We complain that there is nothing on the online store worth buying and not everyone has a CC, and they add in the skill packs and merchandise.

Quite frankly, I think Anet need a more robust marketing team, because those two situations should not have occurred. Business is always Finance, Marketing, and Design pulling the company in different directions.

While I can understand the part about reskinned weapons, the online store bit is a clear oversight. But at least they try to make amends.

The problem is, people miss out on both results of listening to the customers, because they missed the BMP offer. So what if it has great weapons and there are stuff NOW in the online store? I bet the online store will accept Paypal or someother within the month or so as well. Perhaps a little too late.

I disagree with this for one large reason. Many of us were not going to buy anything from the online store until we heard about the BMP and many others went out of their way to buy something from the online store.

I totally agree with Loviatar. Just look at max gladius' signature. Gaile says something along the lines of rare weapons not being more powerful, but something about looks instead. She then proceeds to say, "Isn't that what end game weapons are for anyway?" I'm pretty sure that was a jab at saying that end game weapons are not exactly great looking. If they did say, "AWESOME WEAPON SKINS ARE AVAILABLE FOR REWARDS!" Everyone would be skeptical, and it would leave you with no more information than "unique rewards will be offered at the end of each mission." Awesome could mean starter sword re-skin. I'm sorry you missed out on the opportunity but I had just as much information as you, and I decided to get GW:EN in the online store just so I could get the BMP. I had no clue the weapons would be great looking and customized and the missions totally fun. I'm glad I took that chance.

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

tldr but just wondering if anybody ever thought of using those pre-paid visa cards? u dont have to pay an exboritant interest and u can only use it for this purchase. i refuse to believe that there isnt a single Euro who plays this game and didnt think of this.

im pretty sure if this happened, alot of ppl who then complain that those who have the pack can charge too much for the items, aka the asian minipet argument although on a cheaper scale.

Pure, unadulterated honesty. Win.

only thing is, those weaps are customized, but it's not that big of a deal.

"Special Reward"
what didnt you get about that?

and that is precisely the reason they did not tell you it was a jackpot weapons pack.

they were doing a store promotion not a weapons pack promotion.

the money is chump change to NCsoft but they need to get data for hard store use in GW2

oh man, lets sell the CE upgrades to those who missed out too! oh and second thought, lets sell gold at $400/ounce b/c ppl missed out when it was cheap, vs the current price of ~800/ounce.

WTB Time machine k thx.

People payed more straight into Anet's pocket to qualify for the BMP by buying ingame stuff online, then people who bought GW:EN at a local retailer.
I know a lot of people in game that love the EotN skins on both armors and weapons.
Even the blue craft-able weapons. Yes, I just said blue without sarcasm.

So your upset over that those who got the bmp, got it because they cared for the adventure and storyline in GW.
Since they didn't know that those weapons where included either.
Sad that you find the skins the only useful part of the pack.
Its actually insulting Anet's team by saying so.

See tahts an unfair statement simply because u say its simply convient. if anet did not offer the BMP, i would NEVER buy it online because buying it thru the store gave me access to the box. therefore, it wasnt convenient. in ur story, u are basically stating that everyone was going to buy what they wanted online because that was waht they wanted to do in the first place, regardless of the BMP.

also, i didnt really even care about the rewards when i decided to get the BMP. all i needed to know was that i get to play as gwen and i signed up. the weapons were merely a bonus, a nice bonus at that, but a bonus nevertheless. stop generalizing and saying that this is ONLY about the weapons.

if the BMP would be able to be purchased now, it's no longer BMP.... it will be EMP --> Extra Mission Pack.

That is the only thing I can agree with you upon.
But then the BMP key would have a price around 20-25$ at a local gameshop.
Question is how many would have been willing to pay that?

Let me remind you, that a regular campaign release costs way less then a Collectors Edition Release.
Maybe Anet should just have made GW:EN collectors edition which included the BMP, but the whiners would then have whined anyway.

You know, NCSoft is simply moving ahead with the natural flow of technological evolution. Might as well get used to digital delivery. In the not too distant future, EVERYthing that can be delivered digitally will be... books, games, tv content, films, etc etc etc.

So... you don't like surprises, and you made your choice accordingly (assuming you did your research BEFORE making your decision to NOT avail yourself of the promotion). Why blame ANet for your decision?

From the BMP FAQ page that was published in July.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ionpackfaq.php

I, for one, am delighted they decided to surprise us.

Unreasonable? What do you know of that?

I'll tell you what's unreasonable, expecting people to buy useless items from the store to get a mission pack when it was not made clear what the rewards would be. Try reading some of my points before you people jump the gun as I have been very clear on all of them.

For starters if you had listened, you would know that

I never said that Arenanet should re release the offer for me, at least not in the same way, because even if it was released again now, I would not spend $30 of uselessness for it. Corporate manipulation is ftl. What I said was that I am giving my reasons as to why I did not purchase EotN prematurely, but isnt HINDSIGHT a marvelous thing. I did not know then what I know now due to Anet wanting it to be such a big secret. Whatever. I am not going to lose sleep over not having these weapons for my heroes, but you have no right to belittle those who do have real regret. Especially when the TOPIC is asking WHY people regret it.

A regret which is not up for debate. I repeat.

Can you people understand that? That trying to stamp out someones opinions or feelings after it was ASKED for by the damn topic TITLE is absurd?

No , but perhaps they should make allowances for bad PR, too vague indications of the rewards, leading to insufficient knowledge of the investment vs reward for many of their customers to make a decision, and for those who spend their money in retail shops.

Go on, can you give me one good reason why people who spent $30 or more in retail stores on GW shouldnt of gotten the BMP?

Don't call people's regret foolish when the topic title is asking them to express said regret. It makes you look incredibly dictatorial.

Ok but I for one am not. But that is just my opinion. People have done absolutely nothing wrong in not making what is essentially a blind purchase and a gamble (I'm not talking about ppl who were buying GWEN anyway from their store) But for those that couldnt/wouldnt for whatever reason. You are basically jumping down the throat of people for not spending $30 on junk to get the BMP. Why? That is not reasonable behaviour imo. If people express regret about not getting it with hindsight then fine , thats their business. Doesnt mean their wrong in any way.

You may tell them not to have or express such feelings (which is essentially what people here are doing, despite the topic title), but one question. Who do you think you are?

Your examples aren't very good.

It was something free that they offered.

It's a reward for indulging them a little.

And yes, I can explain why people who spent $30+ in retail stores shouldn't get it.

Because ANet made the offer for online store participants through a select period to get more money in their pockets directly and reward those who participated in it.