Now that BMP is out, why are so many people regretting not getting it?

VanDamselx

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03 Dec 2007 at 04:56 - 241
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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead
Unreasonable? What do you know of that?

I'll tell you what's unreasonable, expecting people to buy useless items from the store to get a mission pack when it was not made clear what the rewards would be. Try reading some of my points before you people jump the gun as I have been very clear on all of them.

For starters if you had listened, you would know that

I never said that Arenanet should re release the offer for me, at least not in the same way, because even if it was released again now, I would not spend $30 of uselessness for it. Corporate manipulation is ftl. What I said was that I am giving my reasons as to why I did not purchase EotN prematurely, but isnt HINDSIGHT a marvelous thing. I did not know then what I know now due to Anet wanting it to be such a big secret. Whatever. I am not going to lose sleep over not having these weapons for my heroes, but you have no right to belittle those who do have real regret. Especially when the TOPIC is asking WHY people regret it.

A regret which is not up for debate. I repeat.

Can you people understand that? That trying to stamp out someones opinions or feelings after it was ASKED for by the damn topic TITLE is absurd?



No , but perhaps they should make allowances for bad PR, too vague indications of the rewards, leading to insufficient knowledge of the investment vs reward for many of their customers to make a decision, and for those who spend their money in retail shops.

Go on, can you give me one good reason why people who spent $30 or more in retail stores on GW shouldnt of gotten the BMP?



Don't call people's regret foolish when the topic title is asking them to express said regret. It makes you look incredibly dictatorial.
Why shouldn't they have gotten the BMP? IT WAS A PROMOTION TO USE THE ONLINE STORE! Why the hell are you so confused about this? It has nothing to do about being the most loyalest consumer ever and nothing to do with retail stores. I gave up going to the retail store to get GW:EN through the online store and the BMP is the best box/manual replacement I've ever seen. They obviously felt that sales were lacking in the online store department and they wanted to find a way to pick them up. I didn't find GW:EN to be real useless either, it's obvious they wanted to pair this promotion with the release of GW:EN. What better way than offering FREE CONTENT WITH YOUR PURCHASES?

No one knew about what the rewards would be and they left it as a surprise. Shouldn't that be indication enough that they may be something good if they wanted to leave it as a surprise? How fun would it be if we knew what the skins looked like before we got them? I don't understand how there was bad PR when it's been talked about and fully advertised for weeks. I'm sorry you thought it was going to totally suck ass and now you're wrong. You missed out because you thought nothing good would come out of it. I certainly feel no sympathy for you. For others who wanted to go through with it and couldn't due to some unforeseen problem, I do feel bad for.

Haijiibirdhead

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:03 - 242
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See tahts an unfair statement simply because u say its simply convient. if anet did not offer the BMP, i would NEVER buy it online because buying it thru the store gave me access to the box. therefore, it wasnt convenient. in ur story, u are basically stating that everyone was going to buy what they wanted online because that was waht they wanted to do in the first place, regardless of the BMP.
You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.

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Why shouldn't they have gotten the BMP? IT WAS A PROMOTION TO USE THE ONLINE STORE!
I'm not confused about this. But youve given no reason, seeing that my point is that it shouldnt of been online only. Do you listen at all anywhere?

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No one knew about what the rewards would be and they left it as a surprise.
Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.

I honestly couldnt give a crap about your sympathy pal. I didnt ask for it so dont raise yourself.

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It was something free that they offered.
How does buying extra character slots that one will never use to get it (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?

And saying that its no fun if you know what one of the skins looks likem is as ridiculous as saying a movie's no fun because it has a teaser trailer.

Snow Bunny

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:09 - 243
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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead
How does buying extra character slots that one will never use (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?
Then that's your fault.

I qualified for it with buying EotN.

Others did that, and other things that they wanted to have.

Stop QQing, and uninstall please. Your arguments are baed

[DE]

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:14 - 244
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Then that's your fault.

I qualified for it with buying EotN.

Others did that, and other things that they wanted to have.

Stop QQing, and uninstall please. Your arguments are baed
Do you really fail that much at comprehension?
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uninstall please. Your arguments are baed

Snow Bunny

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:17 - 245
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
Do you really fail that much at comprehension?
I don't.

If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?

Haijiibirdhead

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03 Dec 2007 at 05:19 - 246
and the blinkered and ignorant debating award for arguing in in Absolutes goes to Snow Bunny.

I didnt pay for the BMP. It was just an example.

We're done here. The topic title requested why I feel a degree of regret on not getting the BMP and I have answered that question.

The vadility of any regrets that I or others may have is outside the scope of the topic's open question, and frankly , none of the business of any of you.

maraxusofk

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03 Dec 2007 at 06:00 - 247
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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead
You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.

Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.
im not sure but if they had nothign to lose, why didnt they? i understand that there are some who COUDLNT order online. but alot of the ppl who want the pack to be releaseed said they CHOSE not to. if they had nothing to lsoe but chose NOT to take advantage, isnt that their fault?

Day and Night

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Join Date: Aug 2007

03 Dec 2007 at 06:23 - 248
As for me, to get BMP, i've asked my friend and used his CC to buy GWEN through ingame store.
I don't mind if ANet will release BMP keys for sale now, when promotion is over.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 08:01 - 249
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?
Well, the promotion was not exactly "buy EoTN on the online store, get a free BMP".

It was "buy anything up to 30$ and get a free BMP".

I've found several posts of people who wanted EOTN boxed, and in order to qualify for the BMP choose to buy useless char slots.
As you said, they actually paid for the BMP.


It would have been much more honest from A.net if they had made BMP as a unique bonus for purchasing EoTN online, but only EoTN and not other products.

They knew that some customers, especially the most loyal who have already bought everything possible from them, would have bought even unneeded things in order to qualify.

They knew this and that's why they made the promotion this way, to get as much money as possible.

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03 Dec 2007 at 10:19 - 250
LoL..I swear the more I read, the more I think of this quote from an infamous toon.

"I'd gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today."

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I've found several posts of people who wanted EOTN boxed, and in order to qualify for the BMP choose to buy useless char slots.
As you said, they actually paid for the BMP.
No they actually paid for character slots. and anyone who thinks that those slots are 'useless' are probably using them right now as mules to hold their hero's junk while they dec them out with all the new sooper ooober sweeeet seksii skinzzz.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 11:40 - 251
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Originally Posted by flubber
No they actually paid for character slots. and anyone who thinks that those slots are 'useless' are probably using them right now as mules to hold their hero's junk while they dec them out with all the new sooper ooober sweeeet seksii skinzzz.
If you check other threads, the buyers themselves were the first to define their purchases useless.

Anyway, thanks for the great lesson of life you gave all of us, about how useful and wise is to spend 30$ to hold hero's junk.

Really, people have lost the sensibility about the value of money.

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03 Dec 2007 at 11:42 - 252
I have. and they don't seem to have any sense of value. it's not like they handed 30 smackaroos out for NOTHING. even if it was just to qualify for the BMP...

milan

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03 Dec 2007 at 13:03 - 253
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
They knew this and that's why they made the promotion this way, to get as much money as possible.
How mean, uncharitable and money grabbing Anet is, anyone would think they had overheads and wanted to make a profit while offering people a limited time offer

Simple fact. Everyone who was playing GW during the qualification period had a chance to get the BMP if they wanted it. A simple google search would have provided information on pre paid cards for your country, more items were added to the store during the promotion as well.

You chose not to, you missed out. Simple as that

Kikuta

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03 Dec 2007 at 13:16 - 254
I bought GWEN, I figured that would meet the requirement to be eligible.

Guess not.

Here's hoping they release it as an upgrade for those who don't have it

Ebony Shadowheart

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03 Dec 2007 at 13:56 - 255
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
That's bullcrap.

As I said in the petition thread, if you're old enough to be playing this game, you're old enough to earn the $29.00. If you're old enough to earn $29.00, you should be smart enough to figure out how to get payment to Anet's online store.

An eight year old can pick up bottles, or open a lemonade stand, cut the neighbour's grass/shovel snow. etc.

Point is, they would rather sit on their butts in front of a computer and complain about it. Much better then have had done anything about it... Right?
Even if they earned the money themselves, that still doesn't mean that the parents would purchase them what they wanted through the online store. Some parents/guardians still refuse to purchase anything via the internet because a lot of people still distrust it. Of course, with all the identity theft and such, I can't really blame them.

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Originally Posted by Kikuta
I bought GWEN, I figured that would meet the requirement to be eligible.

Guess not.

Here's hoping they release it as an upgrade for those who don't have it
I bought GWEN, that's how I met my eligability. I only regret not buying GWEN via the store on my other account. Of course, I wasn't going to wait 24-48 hours for them to get their heads out of their a**es and fix their screw up (claimed my card was fradualent. wtfe. even tried using a diff card.) So I just went to Best Buy and bought a box.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 14:01 - 256
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Originally Posted by milan
How mean, uncharitable and money grabbing Anet is, anyone would think they had overheads and wanted to make a profit while offering people a limited time offer
If you bother reading the previous posts, we were discussing about the fact that there are players who bought something they would never have bought, because it was the only way to qualify.
Just go to the closed thread and find many posters who said that their wallets are 30 buck lighter and they're now staring at their 3 empty slots.
This because they had already bought everything possible, and preferred the boxed version of EoTN.

Also, the unlock packs (that for instance I bought) came after the promotion.
In the promotion period, besides EoTN, for someone who already had everything the only way would have been wasting 30 bucks for empty slots.

The promotion was "buy everything you want, the only thing that matters is that you give us your 30 bucks".

In my opinion, this is not a good way to handle a promotion.
Would have been much more correct if they said "buy EoTN online and only in this case you get the bmp".
Or "buy a campaign". A campaign is content. Empty slots are nothing.

No one expects Anet/NC to be charitable, but he way they did, yes it's somehow money grabbing.

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03 Dec 2007 at 14:37 - 257
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
Also, the unlock packs (that for instance I bought) came after the promotion.
pure marketing genius, stacked with a smattering of even more incentive to use their online store.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
In the promotion period, besides EoTN, for someone who already had everything the only way would have been wasting 30 bucks for empty slots.
Or make the choice to not spend a dime and possibly miss out on something.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
The promotion was "buy everything you want, the only thing that matters is that you give us your 30 bucks".
yep
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
In my opinion, this is not a good way to handle a promotion.
Would have been much more correct if they said "buy EoTN online and only in this case you get the bmp".
That is even more conditional then the cut-off price for qualification.

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
Or "buy a campaign". A campaign is content. Empty slots are nothing.
what would a campaign be if you bought it and had no character(s) to play it? LoL....nothing.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
No one expects Anet/NC to be charitable, but he way they did, yes it's somehow money grabbing.
it's all about the Benjamin's.

Pompeyfan

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03 Dec 2007 at 14:50 - 258
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I don't.

If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?
No it wasen't free - to qualify for it I bought EotN through the online store at £10 more for a digital download than a boxed store bought copy would have cost me (£25 from the online store compared to £15 delivered from sendit.com - thats some profiteering overhead from anet there - 40% more for something costing less to produce/distribute. In fact tjhe EothN 'expansion' was more expensive than any of the three full boxed games I bought at £17.99 each delivered, so if the BMP is put up for sale at anything less than £10 or $20 I'd expect a refund of the difference)

In fact, if I'd known that all the BMP would be was 4 short solo missions with just a few customised weapons (albit very nice skins) I'd have saved the £10 and not bothered with it as it's not worth £10 and I'd think twice at £1.99, but I thought it'd be more like Sorrows Furnace or the Titan's quests after finishing properchies in size/scope that I could play with friends and my favorite character.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 15:32 - 259
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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan
No it wasen't free - to qualify for it I bought EotN through the online store at £10 more for a digital download than a boxed store bought copy would have cost me (£25 from the online store compared to £15 delivered from sendit.com - thats some profiteering overhead from anet there - 40% more for something costing less to produce/distribute. In fact tjhe EothN 'expansion' was more expensive than any of the three full boxed games I bought at £17.99 each delivered, so if the BMP is put up for sale at anything less than £10 or $20 I'd expect a refund of the difference)
I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.

Stockholm

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03 Dec 2007 at 16:12 - 260
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.
The reson for that is that the STORE is setting a lower price than the recomended retail price (witch is what you pay in the online store), when a company sells a product to retailers they can not sell it cheaper to consumers them selfs than what the recomended price is. Thats the law.
What the stores is doing when selling cheaper cuts in to the stores profit not A-Nets.

bpphantom

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03 Dec 2007 at 16:54 - 261
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.
Hrm, it was cheaper for me online vs brick n' mortar.

Snow Bunny

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03 Dec 2007 at 19:34 - 262
The promotion was put out at around the same time as EotN was offered in the online store. This was to promote usage of the online store, in that ANet could roughly gauge usage of the online store, in addition to directly adding more cash to their own pockets. It's not that much of a coincidence that EotN was offered at the same time the BMP offer was up.

If you purchased character slots to qualify for this, then yes, it's perhaps unfortunate, but you can't blame ANet for that. They never stated the BMP would be a large expansion, but said that you would get to experience several more important parts of the store.

Shawn The Divine

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03 Dec 2007 at 20:06 - 263
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Originally Posted by Halc yon
Why then, if you knew you wanted it, did you not start a petition sooner?
All I saw advertised were a bunch of fail pve missions I didn't care about, and some 'unique rewards' which for a free promotion I figured would be some stupid Gwen related green all the carebears who were obsessed with her could put in their HoM.
However it turned out to be tons of weapons with skins better than anything found in eotn, which you can get for 10mins work. If they would have advertised that, I would have actually bought eotn, and the bmp. Of course I also didn't think eotn was worth it at the time anyway, as the preview made it clear it was just a huge pve grindfest.

I still don't care about the bmp. I'd be happy with the weapons not being customized so I can buy them.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 20:22 - 264
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Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine
All I saw advertised were a bunch of fail pve missions I didn't care about, and some 'unique rewards' which for a free promotion I figured would be some stupid Gwen related green all the carebears who were obsessed with her could put in their HoM.
However it turned out to be tons of weapons with skins better than anything found in eotn, which you can get for 10mins work. If they would have advertised that, I would have actually bought eotn, and the bmp.
And this also shows the basic mistake of the approach A.net/NC followed.

The idea of the "surprise".

Sensible people are not willing to spend money for a "surprise".
Everyone who buys something, wants to know exactly the product he/she is buying.
Especially if the purchase is more expensive than the prices practiced in other shops.

The surprise turned apparently good, but it could have been crap and in this case we would have threads full of disappointed customers.

Customers don't pay "surprise money".
They are requested to pay a well defined amount of bucks.
And because of this, sellers have the obligation to describe clearly what they're selling.
This is the fundamental principle of any commercial relationship.


Otherwise, if I buy a "surprise product", I want to have equal opportunities and make a "surprise payment".

I put my money in a box, the seller puts his surprise in another, we swap the boxes, and I can receive a good or bad surprise, and the seller may found less equal or more money than he requested.
It's a 2 way gamble, and not a one way as it was for the bmp.

AuraofMana

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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03 Dec 2007 at 20:56 - 265
Look people, sometimes in life, opportunity only comes once. You missed it, too bad. When you fail in GW, you are whining to Anet. When you fail in life, who do you whine to?
Stop complaining about what should of happened and offer solutions THAT YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO YOU. The world doesn't revolve around you and life doesn't always go your way. The BMP is released and the promotion was gone a LONG time ago. It is over, LET IT GO.

Loviatar

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Join Date: Feb 2005

03 Dec 2007 at 21:55 - 266
[QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
And this also shows the basic mistake of the approach A.net/NC followed.

The idea of the "surprise".

Sensible people are not willing to spend money for a "surprise".
Everyone who buys something, wants to know exactly the product he/she is buying.
i was informed of exactly what and the exact price of it.

i bought GWEN at the online store at full retail price skipping the box i love and paying 11 dollars and pocket change over the local discount including the local tax

i did that to qualify for the bonus MISSION pack with unspecified extra reward consisting of 4 described missions.

burns yur shorts doesnt it that i got it for the missions and honestly dont care about the wonderful surprise weapons box that never emptys

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Customers don't pay "surprise money".
They are requested to pay a well defined amount of bucks.
And because of this, sellers have the obligation to describe clearly what they're selling.
This is the fundamental principle of any commercial relationship.
GWEN at an exactly named price

i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.

nutrition express just included a free shaker bottle as a promotion to my last order at no charge for spending XX dollars on a product

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Otherwise, if I buy a "surprise product", I want to have equal opportunities and make a "surprise payment".
you did not buy the BMP you bought something else with an exactly named price and described as well

VanDamselx

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03 Dec 2007 at 21:55 - 267
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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead
You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.



I'm not confused about this. But youve given no reason, seeing that my point is that it shouldnt of been online only. Do you listen at all anywhere?



Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.

I honestly couldnt give a crap about your sympathy pal. I didnt ask for it so dont raise yourself.



How does buying extra character slots that one will never use to get it (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?

And saying that its no fun if you know what one of the skins looks likem is as ridiculous as saying a movie's no fun because it has a teaser trailer.


Your analogy about the country only applies to those who planned to buy it in the online store. What the poster was saying that most of us decided to go to the online store to get GW:EN for the sake of the BMP. Why won't those people ever get to use those character slots? Oh that's right, they can. They just choose not to. They did buy character slots to qualify, and however one chooses to qualify is their own prerogative. If they decide not to use those character slots then fine, they bought the BMP and got 3 free character slots.

I don't know how I could give a much clearer reason that the reason it was available online only was to encourage use of the online store. How the hell do you not comprehend that? Would anyone use the online store if it came in the box? Hell no. I wouldn't have either. A-Net makes more money going through the online store, it's as simple as that.

Don't call me pal like a tool, either.

Abnaxus

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03 Dec 2007 at 22:35 - 268
[QUOTE=Loviatar]
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i was informed of exactly what and the exact price of it.

i bought GWEN at the online store at full retail price skipping the box i love and paying 11 dollars and pocket change over the local discount including the local tax

i did that to qualify for the bonus MISSION pack with unspecified extra reward consisting of 4 described missions.

burns yur shorts doesnt it that i got it for the missions and honestly dont care about the wonderful surprise weapons box that never emptys



GWEN at an exactly named price

i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.

nutrition express just included a free shaker bottle as a promotion to my last order at no charge for spending XX dollars on a product



you did not buy the BMP you bought something else with an exactly named price and described as well
This confirms even more what I said. Word by word.

You didn't buy GWEN.

You bought GWEN and the BMP.

If you wanted only GWEN, you would have bought paying 11 dollars and pocket change less in the local discount including the local tax, and with the box you love and you had to give up.

You paid more because you bought the product GWEN+BMP, which is different from GWEN+BOX.


Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.

And is also counterproductive for the seller itself, because with more information would have been possible to increase the sales, convincing the more reluctant about the advantages of what they were offered.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

03 Dec 2007 at 23:14 - 269
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.
wrong as right here is the description of the product i *bought*

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The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.

Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.
Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars.
Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta.
Finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.
that is what i considered worth my choice. the missions

i considered that specified content worth the CHOICE i made to accept the terms of the ONLINE STORE PROMOTION

thus it was an informed purchase not a gamble as the specified content was what i was after

that something nice was added extra did not influence my decision in the slightest.

they could have stated no loot of any sort will be given with the BMP and i would still have gotten it because............I WANTED THE DESCRIBED MISSIONS

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

03 Dec 2007 at 23:56 - 270
So now you say that you bought the product GWEN+BMP because you were well aware of what you were buying, whereas in your previous post you wrote:

Quote:
i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.
Please decide.

Killy D

Killy D

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

[MnN] Chocolate Sweet Chocolate

Mo/

04 Dec 2007 at 00:04 - 271
I don't regret not getting it. So I miss out on some missions and weapons, sure the missions might have been fun and all. But if people are crying that they didn't get it when it was on offer then I have to ask, why?

There is plenty of other stuff to do in Guild Wars, if you don't like it then stop moaning and playing, or just get on with it and enjoy the game as Anet intended it.

Yes I agree that they maybe should put the pack up for sale again in the future, who's to say they will or won't? The people that ordered GW:EN via the online store, got it for "free" so to speak. So all in all, they could make more money by putting up again in the future. This debate could go on forever, both pro's and con's on either side.

On the one hand, players that have been playing since the start or near enough *such as me* feel a bit abused that we have to dish out more money, despite our loyalty, when it could easliy be a free update without hurting the pocket of Anet, the other side is, "I have the money to do so, so i'll order some stuff online and get that pack to."

It doesn't really matter to me, and it should really matter at all, it's just a game, and games are meant to be played for fun, so lets keep it that way!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

04 Dec 2007 at 00:50 - 272
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
So now you say that you bought the product GWEN+BMP because you were well aware of what you were buying, whereas in your previous post you wrote:



Please decide.
there is nothing to decide.

i was going to buy GWEN

i was given the choice of where to buy it between 2 stores

same product but one had a higher price than the other and usually i go for the cheaper price all things being equal as an informed buyer.

however in this case all things were not equal as they were having a promotion that included an item i wanted and after consideration i purchased the specified item at the higher store price.

i also received the specified promotion bonus item i wanted as specified

to my very happy surprise they included an extra special addition to the expected bonus as well

Sea Edge

Sea Edge

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Black Eagles [BEG]

W/Me

04 Dec 2007 at 08:01 - 273
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
This confirms even more what I said. Word by word.

You didn't buy GWEN.

You bought GWEN and the BMP.

If you wanted only GWEN, you would have bought paying 11 dollars and pocket change less in the local discount including the local tax, and with the box you love and you had to give up.

You paid more because you bought the product GWEN+BMP, which is different from GWEN+BOX.


Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.

And is also counterproductive for the seller itself, because with more information would have been possible to increase the sales, convincing the more reluctant about the advantages of what they were offered.
Your logic fails.

GWEN price under the promotion was 39.99 USD in the online store. Now it's 39.99 USD. Character slot price still 9.99 USD. So the cost of the BMP was exactly 0.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

04 Dec 2007 at 08:52 - 274
Abnaxus is right. We were asked to spend money many of us wouldn't have spent otherwise, to obtain something of uncertain content and quality.

That was a gamble, and I feel I lost out on it. The BMP wasn't worth the money I spent on 3 (still unused) character slots.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

04 Dec 2007 at 09:31 - 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuraofMana
Look people, sometimes in life, opportunity only comes once. You missed it, too bad. When you fail in GW, you are whining to Anet. When you fail in life, who do you whine to?
Stop complaining about what should of happened and offer solutions THAT YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO YOU. The world doesn't revolve around you and life doesn't always go your way. The BMP is released and the promotion was gone a LONG time ago. It is over, LET IT GO.
this is a game. for fun, if it is possible everyone wants to have fun away from the harsh reality of life... seem to me lots of people don't want other people to have fun.

Mineria

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

04 Dec 2007 at 10:37 - 276
Life is not always fair, so get on with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
this is a game. for fun, if it is possible everyone wants to have fun away from the harsh reality of life... seem to me lots of people don't want other people to have fun.
You didn't bother to read Anet's reply upon this matter either.
Yet do you claim that it is lots of people that don't want others to have fun.
You are a n00b.
My opinion, if you like it or not.

Sub Frost

Sub Frost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Portugal

R/

04 Dec 2007 at 11:02 - 277
Regarding BMP, played it a couple times, got 1/2 weapons for heroes, and that's pretty much it, don't really understand the "BMP TO OTHERS? NO!!!! IT'S MY TOY!!! MY PROMOTION!!! MY PRECIOUS!!!" and hope Anet releases another promo soon that gives a chance to the people that didn't got it the 1st time.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

04 Dec 2007 at 11:02 - 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mineria
Life is not always fair, so get on with it.

You didn't bother to read Anet's reply upon this matter either.
Yet do you claim that it is lots of people that don't want others to have fun.
You are a n00b.
My opinion, if you like it or not.
Dear Mineria, I already have the BMP X2, bought for both my accounts. on the second day the BMP was announced too, thank you very much.

I know Anet already reply to this matter, however, on this forum, every time, players who do not have the BMP ask Arena Net to please make the BMP available again, somehow people got clobbered with words like noob spelled with weird characters, and sarcasm and what not. That is why I say lots of players don't want people to have fun, this is a situation very easily converted to accommodate those that have not yet gotten the BMP, players petition for it, do you see support? NO, they got called names. And players try with full-force to prevent the "re-selling" of BMP, so why is that? if its not trying to make other players not have fun? Hence why I said what I said in post #275.

If it is not because you don't want other players to have fun and filled your sadistic needs, why, tell me please. I am curious, Are you possibly trying to uphold justice? Are you possibly trying to help Arena Net not go against their own words? Are you trying to help these players who did not get the BMP save money? please do tell me? because I cannot think of a reasonable explanation to not want Arena Net to make the BMP available again. There is no harm what so ever. The only thing I see from the BMP being sold again is it will strengthen Arena Net financially and ensures that this wonderful game will continue to be free to play!

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

04 Dec 2007 at 11:08 - 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Edge
Your logic fails.

GWEN price under the promotion was 39.99 USD in the online store. Now it's 39.99 USD. Character slot price still 9.99 USD. So the cost of the BMP was exactly 0.
This would be right if the online store was the sole source to acquire GWEN.

Instead there were alternatives.
Except for someone living thousands miles away from every retailer (maybe a castaway in a island with only a pc and a satellite connection lol), at the time of the promotion it was possible to choose between buying GWEN+BMP online, or GWEN+BOX at retailers.


So, the product sold online by A.net/NC during the promotion was GWEN+BMP.
The product sold by retailers was GWEN+BOX.
These two products were in competition. Customers were asked to decide what to buy.
And a lot of them in this forum said they accepted to pay more for this GWEN+BMP product than they would have paid for the GWEN+BOX product in their closest retailer.

Everyone in this forum, from both sides, agreed that Anet/NC followed this commercial approach to encourage players to buy GWEN online in their store rather than from retailers.
They did this offering online a different product, which was GWEN+BMP.

After October 31st, they changed the product sold online.
Now the product sold online is GWEN only.
The fact they price the GWEN-only product at 39,99 USD the same as the GWEN+BMP product during the promotion is irrelevant.
What really matters is that the product in the store is different now.


The conclusion is:

The cost of BMP was not 0.
Customers who bought online paid for it. Paid because there were alternatives to buy GWEN, and they regretted those alternatives in favour of the GWEN+BMP package.

Mineria

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

04 Dec 2007 at 11:24 - 280
I think a lot of people here would love that others could get the BMP.
But you have to see it from both sides, not only what you think is right.
If you followed the announcements made by Anet, you would have seen that the BMP was made as a promotional offer to get via buying things from the online store.
If you then look at the costs of creating it, and calculate it, so you get the actual price at a retailer, where the price covers that Anet gets their part.
You will see that we are talking about a price that only very few will consider to pay for it.
And only half of them will actually buy it.
Anet may offer it in some way via the online store in one or another way, that is their bussiness.
But they will not offer it via a local retailer, since they just wont be able to sell it for the right price.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
If it is not because you don't want other players to have fun and filled your sadistic needs, why, tell me please. I am curious, Are you possibly trying to uphold justice? Are you possibly trying to help Arena Net not go against their own words? Are you trying to help these players who did not get the BMP save money? please do tell me? because I cannot think of a reasonable explanation to not want Arena Net to make the BMP available again. There is no harm what so ever. The only thing I see from the BMP being sold again is it will strengthen Arena Net financially and ensures that this wonderful game will continue to be free to play!
No at all.
What you posted sounded stupid, so i made a stupid reply.
I called you newbie, since you are saying that a lot of people don't want others to have fun.
You shouldn't be offended by it though, since there isn't much in it.

As for the BMP, if you read the whole thing Gaile wrote on that other forum, you will see that offering the BMP at a retailer is out of question.
Since it would cost way to much that way.
As for offering it again in the online store, that is up to Anet if they will or not.
But at the end of the day, they need to make some cash.
So that would back them up if they choose to sell it again, wouldn't it?