Healing Hands as a Wammo Elite

krypt1200

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So ive seen people who use healing hands as an elite. Is this a good elite for an experienced tank to use? Please post your opinions about a wammo using this skill to tank.

blue.rellik

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They should jump off a cliff

Nyktos

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It works for soloing Ghial (even with Mending). Otherwise, Blue's got it right.

farmpig

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Any build will work if you are playing solo in normal mode using hero and hench way.

If u are PUGing use a cookie cutter build. Otherwise risked being call a noob.

Paying for this game means playing the style you want. 90% of the feedback posted is true and useful. IMO healing hands on a warrmo sucks.

If for the fun of it you would really like to try out the " healing hands" build go solo and have a good laugh. At least no one will ask you to jump off the cliff.

Crom The Pale

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Healing hands actually grants about 1/10 the healing of Heal Signet simple due to its long recharge.

Keep in mind it does not reduce dmg at all, so if your foe hits you for 50dmg you gain 29hp....not good. Maybe in some PvE areas where foes only hit a war for 5-10 dmg its good, but then you hardly need an Elite skill to heal there.

A11Eur0

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Most PvE areas HH works for a warrior. Huge mobs spiking you as you rush in, you need a buffer. Armor doesn't cut it with most spikes as there are alot of armor-ignoring spikes out there. The only other way to combat it is bonding for hard damage reduction, and heals on top. I don't want my monk to be close enough to slap on a healing seed when I'm taking the brunt, so I'd toss up HH.

I HH tanked Slaver's and it did very well...obsi tanks are too slow...I had no speed reduction at all during the pull...and Obsi flesh doesn't help against the touchers either.

Marty Silverblade

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Most PvE areas HH works for a warrior. Huge mobs spiking you as you rush in, you need a buffer. Armor doesn't cut it with most spikes as there are alot of armor-ignoring spikes out there. The only other way to combat it is bonding for hard damage reduction, and heals on top. I don't want my monk to be close enough to slap on a healing seed when I'm taking the brunt, so I'd toss up HH.

I HH tanked Slaver's and it did very well...obsi tanks are too slow...I had no speed reduction at all during the pull...and Obsi flesh doesn't help against the touchers either. Armor will cut it mate, plus a prot spirit from the monk and it's GG for your DSlash. HH is a waste.

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HH is only good for specific farm/tank builds. Otherwise it's trash.

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Please never take HH

blue.rellik

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Most PvE areas HH works for a warrior. Huge mobs spiking you as you rush in, you need a buffer. Armor doesn't cut it with most spikes as there are alot of armor-ignoring spikes out there. The only other way to combat it is bonding for hard damage reduction, and heals on top. I don't want my monk to be close enough to slap on a healing seed when I'm taking the brunt, so I'd toss up HH.

I HH tanked Slaver's and it did very well...obsi tanks are too slow...I had no speed reduction at all during the pull...and Obsi flesh doesn't help against the touchers either. Well HH > OB tank I will give you that, you do more than stand around mastubating while monsters are attacking you.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Most PvE areas HH works for a warrior. If you hadn't noticed yet, you could put together a skill bar that "works in PvE" by printing out a skill list and throwing darts at it. But that doesn't mean you're performing to your best and/or helping out your group.

Bringing "tank skills" is invariably unnecessary. You have 116 AL armor, damage reduction mods for a shield, (preferably) >500 hp, and access to Prot monk support. If you must, bring "Watch Yourselves!" If you can hold aggro, awesome. But you do not need to bring crappy skills and waste attribute points in order to tank.

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Personally I prefer HH tanking, sometimes i'm forced to change to the gay obsi flesh build which I never liked it makes you move slow and enemies will simply target someone else, I'm the tank I want to take the damage not them.

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I agree, jump off a cliff kthxbai

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Healing hands is as bad as tanks. So yeah, healing hands is horrible.

Tyla

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healing skills on a warrior AND tanking is fail.sorry.

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best defence is offence, so put it a elite that does damage

A11Eur0

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
If you hadn't noticed yet, you could put together a skill bar that "works in PvE" by printing out a skill list and throwing darts at it. But that doesn't mean you're performing to your best and/or helping out your group.

Bringing "tank skills" is invariably unnecessary. You have 116 AL armor, damage reduction mods for a shield, (preferably) >500 hp, and access to Prot monk support. If you must, bring "Watch Yourselves!" If you can hold aggro, awesome. But you do not need to bring crappy skills and waste attribute points in order to tank. Alright...damage reduction mods for a shield. +10 armor vs fire. Oh look, an earth ele. Let's switch to +10 armor vs earth. Oh look, firestorm. if I move, my soft allies behind me will get ganked. Whatever will I do?

Healing hands heals every time you take damage. You know this, right? So, when you have a buffet of damage types coming at you at once, you're not going to be juggling shields around, you're going to want a skill that allows you to not only soak up damage, but heal it as it comes in, while doing other things. Healing seed...nope. Other ally. Seed of life...nope other ally. Healing hands. 5 energy. 1/4 sec cast. if you're TANKING, you dont need attack attributes. So...strength shield, strength HP buffs, strength armor buff (dolyak). 12 into strength plus 2 from helmet and minor rune. Healing prayers 12. What else are you going to put it into? Tactics stances only work for attacks, not spells. There's zero skill in a warrior's buffet that protects against elemental or non-elemental spell damage. Next you're going to say "-2 in stance shield with elemental resistance"...well I'd rather not lose armor vs physical thanks...critical attack spikes happen too. Oh, balanced stance. Ok...put att into tactics...oh well no more elemental resistance. Thin out the atts, 11/10/10. Then you're just going subpar on everything. High health and armor vs everything comes from strength with dolyak, sig of stamina and endure pain when needed. Tactics gives blocking for physical. But you dont need that...physical attacks don't hurt the tank much right?

Healing hands lasts for a while with a 20% enchanting mod on a weapon. I'd rather have an extra 2 seconds of HH against a big mob than 30 extra hp anyway. Besides, +45 when enchanted mod on a shield, -2 when enchanted inscrip. Helps against physical as well.

If you've never seen a HH tank at work, you really dont know what you're talking about. In areas with massive enchantment strip...fine go with an obsi flesh tank. But areas without lots of enchant strip...HH is the way to go. Hell, I tanked hard mode lair of the snowmen with a HH build....and that's armor-ignoring spike damage central. then again, I needed a prot bonder to do it...but hey.

Best defense is a good offense huh? Ok, I'll just put my warrior away and never use it because there's no need right? Besides, warriors have less dps than most caster classes. Right? Sure a warrior can do damage, but if you're needing a damage dealer, why take a warrior? For armor? To tank? Enemies don't attack the warrior anyway, so when you're all running around like chickens with your heads cut off with enemies chasing you with enraging charge/eviscerate spikes, when all you needed to do was put a tank on the corner and block them all...remember what you said about tanking in PvE.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Blah blah blah That was very long.
And mostly wrong.

Warrior DPS > Caster DPS, btw.

And tanks fail. Bad teams use them because PuG monks suck too much to handle any situation where Healing Breeze can't keep up; and bad teams don't use stupidly OP passive defenses like "SY!" and "TNTF!". You seriously don't need a tank when the rest of the party has +100 armour and 35% damage reduction on top.

A11Eur0

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Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank.

In normal situations sure, no need for a tank....i dont tank all the time either. But in situations where mobs are just way too overpowered to allow the melee to hit the casters, such as slaver's exile for instance, a tank is 99.9% necessary, even with smart teams. Not everyone has advanced title tracks for lux/kurz, and the high adren cost for SY! doesn't allow for any prevention of the initial spike from PvE enemies.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank.

In normal situations sure, no need for a tank....i dont tank all the time either. But in situations where mobs are just way too overpowered to allow the melee to hit the casters, such as slaver's exile for instance, a tank is 99.9% necessary, even with smart teams. Not everyone has advanced title tracks for lux/kurz, and the high adren cost for SY! doesn't allow for any prevention of the initial spike from PvE enemies. You're seriously underestimating the power of knowing how to pull, bringing heroes/henches with good skill bars, and simply knowing how to play the game.

Tanks are a black hole in your party... they are negative space, they are inert, they do not help your party. Wasting your attributes in Healing Prayers so you can use a skill that only (arguably) works for 10 seconds out of every 25 (assuming nothing Shatters it for 100 damage or so) hurts your party more than helps it. Having a tank in the party effectively makes it more like 7 or 7.5 players instead of 8. Its no wonder in my mind you're finding Slaver's Exile so difficult.

And by the way, high Kurzick/Luxon titles are not needed for SY! A 3 second duration is plenty on a high-adrenaline skill bar. Furthermore, even if you had a high title, its still only going to increase to 4 or 5 seconds at most.

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
You're seriously underestimating the power of knowing how to pull, bringing heroes/henches with good skill bars, and simply knowing how to play the game. Or he could just use Mending.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank. Been there, done that. 0 tanks, 1 dead duncan.

Arkantos

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Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank.
Been there, done that, with heroes. And before you mention another area, I've also done DoA Urgoz an Deep without a thank, kthx.

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In normal situations sure, no need for a tank....i dont tank all the time either. But in situations where mobs are just way too overpowered to allow the melee to hit the casters, such as slaver's exile for instance, a tank is 99.9% necessary, even with smart teams. Not everyone has advanced title tracks for lux/kurz, and the high adren cost for SY! doesn't allow for any prevention of the initial spike from PvE enemies.
Wrong again. These 'smart' teams don't need shitty tanks. A team with a tank =/= smart team. PS a warrior, warrior runs in first for aggro, and then the warrior starts pounding the shit out of the enemies with his damage dealing bar (which is what a warriors for). That's what a smart team does, because they know how useless tanks are.

Quote: If you've never seen a HH tank at work, you really dont know what you're talking about. In areas with massive enchantment strip...fine go with an obsi flesh tank. But areas without lots of enchant strip...HH is the way to go. Hell, I tanked hard mode lair of the snowmen with a HH build....and that's armor-ignoring spike damage central. then again, I needed a prot bonder to do it...but hey. You tanked HM LotS with a HH tank and you needed a bonder. I held aggro with just PS on me. Are you wearing ascalon armor? Because if you need a hh tank and a bonder, you're doing something wrong,

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Best defense is a good offense huh? Ok, I'll just put my warrior away and never use it because there's no need right? Besides, warriors have less dps than most caster classes. I would really like to see a caster build that has more dps then a dslash warrior.

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never use HH , the recharge is wayy to long

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Personally I prefer HH tanking, sometimes i'm forced to change to the gay obsi flesh build which I never liked it makes you move slow and enemies will simply target someone else, I'm the tank I want to take the damage not them
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If you've never seen a HH tank at work, you really dont know what you're talking about. In areas with massive enchantment strip...fine go with an obsi flesh tank. But areas without lots of enchant strip...HH is the way to go. Hell, I tanked hard mode lair of the snowmen with a HH build....and that's armor-ignoring spike damage central. then again, I needed a prot bonder to do it...but hey.
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Best defense is a good offense huh? Ok, I'll just put my warrior away and never use it because there's no need right? Besides, warriors have less dps than most caster classes. Thanks for all the funny quotes people!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank.

In normal situations sure, no need for a tank....i dont tank all the time either. But in situations where mobs are just way too overpowered to allow the melee to hit the casters, such as slaver's exile for instance, a tank is 99.9% necessary, even with smart teams. Not everyone has advanced title tracks for lux/kurz, and the high adren cost for SY! doesn't allow for any prevention of the initial spike from PvE enemies. How to Tank Slavers:
1. Find a warrior.
2. Put Protective Spirit on him.
3. Kill all the enemies.

I cleared Slavers' H/H with DSlash, all you need is aggro control, not tanking.

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is it bad that i loled in RL at this thread?

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Laughing means you understand what a joke most of these pro-HH posters are.

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is it bad that i loled in RL at this thread? I hope not, cause I've been laughing at it for a few days now.

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Sad people still use this skill on warriors? lol

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Alright...you head on into slaver's exile and start taking on the 20 enemy mobs without a tank.

In normal situations sure, no need for a tank....i dont tank all the time either. But in situations where mobs are just way too overpowered to allow the melee to hit the casters, such as slaver's exile for instance, a tank is 99.9% necessary, even with smart teams. Not everyone has advanced title tracks for lux/kurz, and the high adren cost for SY! doesn't allow for any prevention of the initial spike from PvE enemies. [skill]Frozen Soil[/skill] + EotN consumables = laff Stone Summit mobs

Terraban

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This thread makes Chuck Norris cry....

Yes it is that bad.

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I killed Thommis yesterday with just a regular triple chop axe build. With good healers behind you it's cake. Ofc I often tanked with my warrior (It's too damn easy with all the blockable doors/corners) but you DON'T NEED A TANK BUILD to do the job. a normal warrior does just fine. Tanks are baed, don't bother with them.

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This thread is full of LOL.

And everytime a wammo casts Healing Hands or leaves an outpost without an attack skill on his bar Balthazar kills a puppy
Please think of the puppies ty.

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Balthazar, I pray you reconsider. Take out your rage on iguanas or something. SAVE THE PUPPIES!

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their is only 1 reasons not to use healing hands as a tank elite

1.)Bad Recharge


personally my friend wouldnt let you join his FoW group unless you had his specific build the tank was a healing hands tank.. it worked well and could hold aggro better than the slow Obsidian tank.

Turtle222

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the only thing is...the alternatives are so much better

Lykan

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Omg Vulkanyaz, thats awesome LMAO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Panda
their is only 1 reasons not to use healing hands as a tank elite

1.)Bad Recharge

personally my friend wouldnt let you join his FoW group unless you had his specific build the tank was a healing hands tank.. it worked well and could hold aggro better than the slow Obsidian tank. Only really bad FoW teams need a tank.

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Originally Posted by John Panda
personally my friend wouldnt let you join his FoW group unless you had his specific build the tank was a healing hands tank.. it worked well and could hold aggro better than the slow Obsidian tank. Your friend should uninstall Guild Wars, imo.