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MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

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07 Dec 2007 at 07:36 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

We traveled deep into the fires of The Foundry of Failed Creations, where Ursan Blessing was forged, the one place it could be destroyed.

— ArenaNet! Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!

— No.

— ArenaNeeet!

ArenaNet kept Ursan Blessing. It should have ended that day, but evil was allowed to endure.

Great post. I love The Lord of the Rings. Never cared one way or the other about the One Build(UB) to rule them all. Ursan Blessing is now working as intended, as far as I'm concerned. It's a boring skill.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 07:39 - 42

Ursan from the distance is (was) just a bug. Bears cannot attack from the distance.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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07 Dec 2007 at 07:43 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Too little, too late. Touch Range does little to dent it's effectiveness

That said it.

Really, lol at people who now think that this nerf reduced effectiveness of ursan by measurable margin. Its not like you shouldn't have been in mele range anyway.

Lets see:

* Ignoring all shutdown. check
* Ignoring all defenses. check.
* Armor/Health buff. check.
* 10s recharge AOE interrupt, check.
* Enemybebuff/party buff, check.
* Ability to AOE kdlock enemies with 5 ursans. check.

yeah. its sooooo weak now.

Pupu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Left gw..yawn

W/N

07 Dec 2007 at 07:51 - 44

whinning noobs ruined another skill..keep going guys your doing well moaning gw into the ground..

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

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07 Dec 2007 at 08:03 - 45

This is hardly worth calling a nerf..UB should get hit by the nerf stick a lot harder IMO.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

07 Dec 2007 at 08:04 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pupu

whinning noobs ruined another skill..keep going guys your doing well moaning gw into the ground..

that one was worth moaining about

i love all nerfing, i'd happy be there with that anet keyboard

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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07 Dec 2007 at 08:17 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pupu

whinning noobs ruined another skill..keep going guys your doing well moaning gw into the ground..

Edit:

... as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and realized that there is looming chance they would have to become better players ...

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

07 Dec 2007 at 08:39 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

* 10s recharge AOE interrupt, check.
* Ability to AOE kdlock enemies with 5 ursans. check.

Interestingly enough, this update makes that *easier* since your main skill now takes the same range. In fact, I had always thought that was a large part of the "power" of UB and you were in melee range to begin with.

IMO I found it a buff to the c-space + mash button scheme as your main attack now ensures you are adjacent for the AoE knockdown/damage. Maybe once the QQ'ers figure out what a spamable 2s AoE knockdown actually means (since they apparently weren't using it before) they will be even happier than before - especially so if they ever figure out how to time all their knockdowns instead of just having them all go at once.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

07 Dec 2007 at 08:59 - 49

Why do you people even care if Timmy the noob can get in a group of pugs? PLEASE give the we want him to get better BS a rest. Those crying for nerfs wouldn't take Timmy the noob even if he got better they have a set of friends and guild they go with already (saying you would and DOING it are not the same thing .. too many examples in the forums of class hate).

PvP calling for nerfs is bad enough. PvE is just retarded .. you have your OWN instance. WHO CARES what Timmy does in his. "Elite" player paid same amount of money for this game that Timmy the "noob" did. Who the hell is "elite" player to try and dictate how Timmy plays. They nerfed the skill for those casters that have trouble getting a group. With the onset of title grind .. many are forced to play one char. Many of those chars happen to be casters. Personally I found my monk friend to be funny as all hell running around with UB. She has played monk since launch was like watching someone release 31 months of pent up frustration.

This is about Epeens and "noobs" encroaching on "elite" players farms. Feel free to call me a noob .. 31 months played and almost 9000 hours logged. My primary char is a warrior so even if I was using UB this wouldnt change anything. Just makes me gag the excuses you people try to float on why you the "elite" feel it should be nerfed.

Anet keep listening to forum people and you will drive so many away that when GW2 launches .. you will sell as many copies as a Vanilla Ice greatest hits cd.

Pupu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Left gw..yawn

W/N

07 Dec 2007 at 09:02 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Why do you people even care if Timmy the noob can get in a group of pugs? PLEASE give the we want him to get better BS a rest. Those crying for nerfs wouldn't take Timmy the noob even if he got better they have a set of friends and guild they go with already (saying you would and DOING it are not the same thing .. too many examples in the forums of class hate).

PvP calling for nerfs is bad enough. PvE is just retarded .. you have your OWN instance. WHO CARES what Timmy does in his. "Elite" player paid same amount of money for this game that Timmy the "noob" did. Who the hell is "elite" player to try and dictate how Timmy plays. They nerfed the skill for those casters that have trouble getting a group. With the onset of title grind .. many are forced to play one char. Many of those chars happen to be casters. Personally I found my monk friend to be funny as all hell running around with UB. She has played monk since launch was like watching someone release 31 months of pent up frustration.

This is about Epeens and "noobs" encroaching on "elite" players farms. Feel free to call me a noob .. 31 months played and almost 9000 hours logged. My primary char is a warrior so even if I was using UB this wouldnt change anything. Just makes me gag the excuses you people try to float on why you the "elite" feel it should be nerfed.

Anet keep listening to forum people and you will drive so many away that when GW2 launches .. you will sell as many copies as a Vanilla Ice greatest hits cd.

thats anets biggest mistake, listening to retards on forums.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

07 Dec 2007 at 09:09 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pupu

thats anets biggest mistake, listening to retards on forums.

Agreed. That's why we have such retarded PvE skills in the first place.

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:21 - 52

Dont even scapegoat UB as the source of all pve problems. pve became retarded when save yourself came out, making pve a COMPLETE joke. take 1) d-slash war + for great jsutice + save yourself or 2) take focused anger + save yourself + aggressive refrain? UB jsut made pve brokeness across the board, although i dont really care. as stated before, its YOUR OWN PRIVATE INSTANCE with ppl u want to include. if u really wanna qq and dictate wut others do in the first place, have fun being a communist. broken or not, a skill in pve affects ONLY the monsters u fight.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:36 - 53

This was just a dent to its functionality. It still deserves a big nerf along with couple of other PvE skills.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

07 Dec 2007 at 09:38 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pupu

whinning noobs ruined another skill..keep going guys your doing well moaning gw into the ground..

Some of us actually want there to be a challenge in this game without having to run shit builds and gimp ourselves to create that challenge. Which means SY should be nerfed.

UB is bad, but it allows a bad person to be able to succeed, kind of like IWAY.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

07 Dec 2007 at 09:39 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Gazer

amen. these god damn whiners qqing about how ub made doa obselete, really need to get over themselves. those comments were the same ones discriminating and preventing others from getting into groups. nice to hear that if i whine loud enough, i could get something too. lets see what we could whine about next.....how about luxon and kurz title tracks being too high?

I'll get right on it. *takes out my vowel keys*

Verek

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

RAVN

N/Me

07 Dec 2007 at 09:42 - 56

Quote:

Dont even scapegoat UB as the source of all pve problems. pve became retarded when save yourself came out, making pve a COMPLETE joke. take 1) d-slash war + for great jsutice + save yourself or 2) take focused anger + save yourself + aggressive refrain? UB jsut made pve brokeness across the board, although i dont really care. as stated before, its YOUR OWN PRIVATE INSTANCE with ppl u want to include. if u really wanna qq and dictate wut others do in the first place, have fun being a communist. broken or not, a skill in pve affects ONLY the monsters u fight.

QFT (bar the bit about being a communist)

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

07 Dec 2007 at 09:46 - 57

Whining doesn't get you anywhere, you have to also be right. That's how it is.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:50 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by maraxusofk

Dont even scapegoat UB as the source of all pve problems. pve became retarded when save yourself came out, making pve a COMPLETE joke.

Protection against non-armor ignoring damage (and utterly useless if you're tanking properly and the tank is overprotted anyway). Mostly a safeguard in case of broken aggro (heck, it's called Save Yourselves for a reason).

vs.

A skill that kills everything. On any profession. And cannot possibly be stopped.

Save Yourselves and There's Nothing to Fear combined (the combo any PvE Paragon runs these days) is already extremely powerful.

Add Ursan Blessing to that and well, why do we even still play this game? To watch things die as we look at them? Drops? Who cares about those since Greens, craftable Rares and the overall devaluation of everything.

Put the illusion of challenge and creativity (MAI SKILBAR IS UB LAWL) back into PvE please.

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 09:54 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Update notes

Miscellaneous

* Updated the Ursan Strike, Volfen Claw, and Raven Talons skills to touch range to make them more consistent between the mission versions and the Norn title versions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jammerpa

I've just tested it out and ursan strike only works when you're right next to your target instead of being on the edge of the targets aggro bubble.

- O rly?
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viens87

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Riga

SCAR

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:55 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarissa F

Yeah. UB use goes in inverse proportion to your skill, and correlates neck-and-neck with your laziness.

People use it 1. Because they haven't the skill to get through the area, or they don't have the patience to wait for a time when enough friends/guildies/alliance members can get together to do it. 2. They just want to get in bad pugs and farm the snot out of an area.

Suck it up, Buttercups!

I use UB because noone take pug mesmer in DoA , UW , FoW etc ..

UB open the gate for me and i can now get to the partys with ursan

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:55 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by strcpy

Interestingly enough, this update makes that *easier* since your main skill now takes the same range. In fact, I had always thought that was a large part of the "power" of UB and you were in melee range to begin with.

IMO I found it a buff to the c-space + mash button scheme as your main attack now ensures you are adjacent for the AoE knockdown/damage. Maybe once the QQ'ers figure out what a spamable 2s AoE knockdown actually means (since they apparently weren't using it before) they will be even happier than before - especially so if they ever figure out how to time all their knockdowns instead of just having them all go at once.

Lol. I was thinking that as well. I've never used UB (aside from the Nornbear quest) but had assumed that it would be melee anyway. Never seen much point as I mainly H/H and they can't use pve skills.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:57 - 62

lol, I like how this change does NOTHING to the skill. Nice one Anet.

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

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07 Dec 2007 at 09:58 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

Protection against non-armor ignoring damage (and utterly useless if you're tanking properly and the tank is overprotted anyway). Mostly a safeguard in case of broken aggro (heck, it's called Save Yourselves for a reason).

vs.

A skill that kills everything. On any profession. And cannot possibly be stopped.

Save Yourselves and There's Nothing to Fear combined (the combo any PvE Paragon runs these days) is already an extremely powerful combo.

but thats exactly the point. one skill kills everything and the other means u basically cant die. if u can drop anything in seconds, the game is easy. if ur team can overaggro liek 10x mobs and not die, then the game is easy. both are so called "bad" for pve but i dont see the reason to nerf the builds. some ppl like to play the game a certain way and thats ok. others want to make the game easy and jsut grind out the titles. thats ok too! if they get the title doing soemthing easier/faster than me, it doesnt mean that my effort is worth anyless (to me anyway, but thats the only thing that matters to me cuz im egocentric)

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

07 Dec 2007 at 10:03 - 64

All this will do is encourage people to take SY, consumables and other passive armor buffs to protect the ursans up front. Get a nice SY or TNTF paragon, maybe add in a vanguard ward or 2 and all of a sudden we have a whole load of casters at the armor cap with supercharging skills and an unkillable party.

We may as well press ~ and enter iddqd to play

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 10:04 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

We traveled deep into the fires of The Foundry of Failed Creations, where Ursan Blessing was forged, the one place it could be destroyed.

— ArenaNet! Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!

— No.

— ArenaNeeet!

ArenaNet kept Ursan Blessing. It should have ended that day, but evil was allowed to endure.

It nerfssssss, It nerfssss ussss.

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

07 Dec 2007 at 10:05 - 66

Next update for Ursan Blessing. Change in to an avatar of the bear when activate the skill.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

07 Dec 2007 at 10:10 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by viens87

I use UB because noone take pug mesmer in DoA , UW , FoW etc ..

UB open the gate for me and i can now get to the partys with ursan

Support my cause to get the Sunspear and Kurzick/Luxon PvE skills for Mesmer buffed (and coexist with UB).

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10226490

Shameless pimp, I know, but cut me some slack.

Personally, I only play Trinity professions and wish it could be otherwise.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 10:21 - 68

I think this nerf is a step into the right direction.

My suggestion is to make this a NORMAL attack skill, affected by armor not a touch skill. Then you can blind the bears and stuff like that.

Compared to MY suggestions this is a VERY MILD nerf:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10221415

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]

Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

07 Dec 2007 at 10:46 - 69

It would affect the Ursan people that used the skill as ranged, and that is actually the way it should be used. Don't get me wrong, it suits the skill more to be touch. But using it as ranged while meleeing another foe, you could do ranged spikes on the monks.

Also places like DoA Foundry will be harder with all the Rage Titans doing PBAoE dmg.

All ppl saying UB is imba or overpowered should go back to PvP. U cant say that stuff about PvE. Ever noticed how imba Mallyx, Duncan, Shiro and about all the foes is GWEN are? It's a PvE skill, so dont complain about it, its supposed to be imba.

U dont like UB? Dont use it.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

07 Dec 2007 at 10:48 - 70

Oooo handbags at dawn! The arguments of those with equal intelligence! And this UB change is near miniscule. All the "casters" are forgetting this also adds additional armour. I use the term "casters" loosely.

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

07 Dec 2007 at 10:49 - 71

Nice change, needs moar change!

Pae

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 10:56 - 72

For people who always whine about UB being easymode, they need to go with PUGs. A failsauce PUG will still be a failsauce PUG, just with a slightly higher chance of succeeding, not guaranteed. If you're in a group with a clue, then of course it's easier, just like with anything else... .

It's also nice that you can spend a bit less time getting some stuff done and that people from ANY profession can join in on an area, rather than "ZOMG wut r u doin here nubcake?!" It doesn't matter as much for me, since I can always hop on some other character, but for people who only focus on one or two characters, it's easier. Before, if you had to PUG in The Deep for the HoM monument, a Ranger most likely wouldn't be making it into the groups, but with UB, anyone can.

For the groups who really knew what they were doing, there'd be a warrior or para tanking out the damage, while the rest hung back to spam Ursan Strike. It'll affect playstyle, but it doesn't completely ruin UB either, though it'll definitely change walling.

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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07 Dec 2007 at 11:01 - 73

The only goal of posts from sad people like Aapo/Pupu is to infuriarate other people. It doesnt matter what you say, they only read your post to twist your words around and say something insulting about it. People like this have probably had a very rough childhood, always being made fun of by their classmates or something. Posting on the internet on forums is their only way they feel they can do the same to other people. We should actually feel sorry for them, for they are the victims of a harsh childhood.

Either that or they are still in their childhood.

UB is nerfed by this, but it is hard to predict the outcome. It will be slower a bit. Things like the Cave in Gloom and the whole Foundry will be a lot harder I fear.
This is because the casters in Cave do freezing (harder to reach now) and the Foundry has Rage titans who do massive PBAoE dmg.

Sub Frost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Portugal

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07 Dec 2007 at 11:03 - 74

Wasn't really necessary, but hey at least some of the "UB IS EVIL!!!!!" people have something new to talk about.

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

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07 Dec 2007 at 11:10 - 75

When a build becomes a staple so quickly its not really about nerfing, it's about balance. When you see now full groups of 8 using the same elite doesn't that just seem... well... kinda not right?

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

07 Dec 2007 at 11:13 - 76

iIts not been hit hard enought for people completely reliant on it leaving it be.
If they want to stop UB from being used it needs major changes, like real major lol

like....
UB can only be used in norn territory

it would kill it for exploiting, but still remain strong for the norn stories, seems fair

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 11:15 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Ever noticed how imba Mallyx, Duncan, Shiro and about all the foes is GWEN are? It's a PvE skill, so dont complain about it, its supposed to be imba.

Duncan, Shiro and Mallyx can be killed with normal skills. Shiro Tagachi is nothing people fear in Cantha or Elona. Duncan can be killed with Spoil Victor, SS or Lifesteal without any need for a PvE skill. Mallyx can also be killed with normal means, with the "bear" people managed to do it within 22 seconds, which cannot be right either!

If the bosses are imba (which they are not IMO), they need to be balanced. You suggested that the balancing solution was to introduce an imba skill as counter. Now would that not be incredibly bad for the gameplay?

Ursan Blessing is still THE way for people who just want to do everything without having to try hard. To do things they did not manage to do before at all. It is easy, effective and overpowered.

And this still has not stopped, the bear is still more IMBA than the bosses you depicated as "imba".

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

iIts not been hit hard enought for people completely reliant on it leaving it be.

silverice_2

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2007

FIXE

A/Mo

07 Dec 2007 at 11:47 - 78

Well, ANet cant satisty everyone, thats a fact. UB continues to be a very powerfull skill, speed buffs maybe needed, so what? I liked it how it was, but then again, they nerfed a small detail, nothing to complain about.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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07 Dec 2007 at 11:48 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

All ppl saying UB is imba or overpowered should go back to PvP. U cant say that stuff about PvE. Ever noticed how imba Mallyx, Duncan, Shiro and about all the foes is GWEN are? It's a PvE skill, so dont complain about it, its supposed to be imba.

U dont like UB? Dont use it.

What is point of imba bosses when imba skills make them equal to normal mobs? I have seen pugs to take longer to kill simple warror boss (with nonpve skills) than malyx. If that does not scream trouble, nothing does.

And what is exactly point of having to selfdesignen ultrahardmodeascalon to get challenge? Challenge should make player to play the best he can, using best tools to overcome it. Not to start with selfpwning.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

07 Dec 2007 at 12:00 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

It nerfssssss, It nerfssss ussss.

I suggest we rename Ursan Blessing to Izzyldur's Bane.