Is this illegal/bannable?

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Havent tried this at all because I wanted to wait and see what you all think but would the Drunkard Bot V1.0 here: *Removed link to prevent people from using program* be a bannable offense? Im curious because it does say bot in it and want all of your input before i go and do anything stupid

EDIT: I removed the link so no one gets tempted

greyf0x_f0x

greyf0x_f0x

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

DVD Forums [DVDF]

Mo/Me

I certainly wouldn't take the risk myself.

Vilaptca

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I would think they would ban for something like that.

Squishy ftw

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

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I wouldn't come anywhere near it.

shrouded^god

shrouded^god

IGN: J C A C H E

Join Date: Sep 2006

843

[Liar]

Its a bot...so Im guessing it would trigger 'bot behavior' which would get you banned...

IMO...dont touch it with a 10ft pole

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

If Arenanet wants you to click inventory spots 250 times each in intravals of 1-3 minutes for a title while standing somewhere, then you better not take any risks by upsetting them.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by shrouded^god
Its a bot...so Im guessing it would trigger 'bot behavior' which would get you banned...
Does double click approximately once a minute count as "bot behavior"?

If so, pray tell, how can one advance drunkard title without wasting time.

Drunkard title is a title that can *only* be obtained with "bot behavior".

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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I would be more concerned with loosing your account to bot software supplier.

It's common sense. Why would anyone release such soft ... out of goodness of their heart? On the other hand, people who go for drunkyard title as are pretty much guaranteed to be filthy rich, so their accounts are sweet target for breaking into... Think. there is much bigger change of logging once day and find your ass to be zeroed than having it banned, and neither is actually good or worth it to have easier time on stupid title.

Day Trooper

Day Trooper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guild With No [NAM???]

E/Mo

And yet another means to cheapen a title - gotta love it

Xue Fang

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2007

Yea, chances are it's logged, and even if it is legit, it's bannable.

ThisSuddenInjury

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Canada

PM ME Top 100 xp

Rt/D

Just use a mouse macro, gg/

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Does double click approximately once a minute count as "bot behavior"?

If so, pray tell, how can one advance drunkard title without wasting time.

Drunkard title is a title that can *only* be obtained with "bot behavior".
Learn to play with your inventory open and get a little timer program going on that makes a sound when you should hit the next bottle.

onerabbit

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

i dont think it will be, all it does is double click booze every 1 min or when ever you choose.

i doubt you get banned for that...

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

that 'bot' is perfect keylogger size.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisSuddenInjury
Just use a mouse macro, gg/
indeed. aren't there programmable mice out in the market somewhere?

Rinadan Farhunt

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

In the land of the horny gollochs.

To Rise From The Ashes [Rise]

R/W

The terms and conditions state "no third party programs". This is a bot. A bot is a third party program. The function of the bot is irrelevant. If AreaNet find you using this, they could ban you.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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There are plenty of softwares out there that make your own macros. I don't see how a.net could detect it, unless you had it go all night long nonstop.

It's nearly impossible because all it would show is you double clicking the alcohols every minute/ 3 minutes. In my opinion, getting banned for this would be a slap in the face.

Drunkard title should be like sweet tooth. Double click 1000 times and bam theres your title. Not double click x times wait 3 minutes, double click again every minute etc.

Technically then according to eula we can get banned for making our mouse double click for us? "third party programs" would include mouse software that changes the way we play our game.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

All 3rd party programs/bots are illegal, and this is a bot. It's most likely bannable, but the chances of ANet finding out you're using this bot aren't that great.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Day Trooper
And yet another means to cheapen a title - gotta love it
It's impossible to cheapen a title whose only requirements are to spend a lot of money and then spend hours upon hours double clicking once a minute. It's an AI behavior, I can see why they'd want an AI to perform it. Surely it's no one's idea of fun?

Now all that said, I'm sure this piece of software is not allowed under the EULA.

zerulus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

You could probably get away with it. I don't think anet actually has a method for determining bots, they just select a random group ban them all and assume the bots won't appeal the action.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
It's impossible to cheapen a title whose only requirements are to spend a lot of money and then spend hours upon hours double clicking once a minute. It's an AI behavior, I can see why they'd want an AI to perform it. Surely it's no one's idea of fun?
Indeed. you really can't cheapen title which theese fellas can obtain:

Clarissa F

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fighters of the Shiverpeaks

Me/Mo

If you have EotN, you can just use that drunken dwarf skill and go nuts. You can play your character and "get yo crunk on" at the same time.

^^nearly peed myself at that picture.(hmmm, spell check recognizes "peed" as a word)

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Indeed. you really can't cheapen title which theese fellas can obtain:
I wonder if that would count as botting.

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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How many people double click alcohol, and never chat with guildies, friends, strangers in town? VERY few I'd guess. When I am drinking, I sit in a city. While sitting there, I talk to people in local chat. If others in my guild, or on my friends list are on, I'll talk with them. Why sit and double click, and do nothing else?

Although they would have to have someone report you, or have some odd new way of detecting a bot, you would be quite obvious as a bot using a program like that. Consuming alcohol perfectly (I don't hit at the 60 second mark every time, sometimes its 70 seconds), not using chat, not moving, etc. all scream bot to anyone looking.

Not worth it. Drink when you are waiting to form a team, chatting with friends, or, *gasp* playing the game.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
How many people double click alcohol, and never chat with guildies, friends, strangers in town? VERY few I'd guess. When I am drinking, I sit in a city. While sitting there, I talk to people in local chat. If others in my guild, or on my friends list are on, I'll talk with them. Why sit and double click, and do nothing else?

Although they would have to have someone report you, or have some odd new way of detecting a bot, you would be quite obvious as a bot using a program like that. Consuming alcohol perfectly (I don't hit at the 60 second mark every time, sometimes its 70 seconds), not using chat, not moving, etc. all scream bot to anyone looking.

Not worth it. Drink when you are waiting to form a team, chatting with friends, or, *gasp* playing the game.
that's if other people are looking. if you want to do this and fly under the rader, do this out in the explorable zones since no one's around and set yourself to away. it's about the same as death-leveling: no ones knows you're doing it.

not that i would waste my money on such an endeavor. 2 million gold for max title is a waste of money (and time doing it the normal way).

Harrier's haste

Harrier's haste

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

ViLE

R/P

what's the point of having a drunkerard title anyways, all you show is how 'lifeless' you're and how many hours you spend making money. Or "cough" buying them.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Does double click approximately once a minute count as "bot behavior"?

If so, pray tell, how can one advance drunkard title without wasting time.

Drunkard title is a title that can *only* be obtained with "bot behavior".
IF that's all you're doing when standing around town. Many aspiring Drunkards do other things while drinking - chatting, answering questions, buying & selling, etc.

As for ANY bot program, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole!

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by flubber
that 'bot' is perfect keylogger size.
Agreed. That is a bot macro and would be against the EULA. It could also contain malicious programs. Suggest removal of link from the OP.

And also, the difference between "bot like behavior" and a real person drinking is that the bot will be able to go for like 9 hours straight. A real person will have to go to the bathroom, eat, make mistakes and click one to many ale every couple hours, sleep, etc.

Johnny_Chang

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

I say do it and find out. And then when time passes let us know the result. The only way to know for sure

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

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I love how the OP removes the link to protect *others* than himself from getting tempted! Tsk tsk.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nian
I love how the OP removes the link to protect *others* than himself from getting tempted! Tsk tsk.
i dont get whats wrong with that?

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
It's common sense. Why would anyone release such soft ... out of goodness of their heart?
Challenge, accomplishment, interest, recognition, feeling helpful. Why would anyone help another human at all? Why would one show (off) their work?

I've written plenty of scripts and programs that in the end cost me more time developing them then when I'd just done whatever they did myself. It was still fun, I why should I no

Quote:
Originally Posted by zerulus
Y... I don't think anet actually has a method for determining bots, they just select a random group ban them all and assume the bots won't appeal the action.
That would be rather expensive in all the hours they'd spend handling the appeals. Appropriate data-mining can significantly reduce the amount of incorrect bannings and thus the time - and image - lost processing appeals.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
... Consuming alcohol perfectly (I don't hit at the 60 second mark every time, sometimes its 70 seconds) ...
Tn = 60 + Random(30);

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

In this case I'd be more worried about h4xx0rz than the EULA.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

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I really wish they'd just change the damn thing. If you can't possibly be pushed to get a timer and stick to it, I'd suggest using it only and ONLY while you are at the computer, chatting or selling, and not AFK.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

Simply put, if you have to ask, chances are it's bannable

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
That guy completed Eye of the North for me!

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

W/

Seems quite obvious that it is bannable.

Day Trooper

Day Trooper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guild With No [NAM???]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
It's impossible to cheapen a title whose only requirements are to spend a lot of money and then spend hours upon hours double clicking once a minute.
It definitely is possible to cheapen the title by having a bot double-click drinks for you while you're afk - as opposed to you double-clicking the drinks yourself for 10,000 minutes worth of drinks. Like it or not - this is a grind title and having the bot do the work for you greatly removes the grind factor from acquiring the minutes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
It's an AI behavior, I can see why they'd want an AI to perform it. Surely it's no one's idea of fun?.
While it may be an AI behavior - the fact is there's no in-game functionality to acquire drunk minutes other than double-clicking drinks. So this tells me that ANet wants players to double-click drinks - and not have an outside bot do the work for them.

While I do agree that racking up 10,000 drunk minutes isn't the most fun thing in the world - this is what the title requires. Yes it's mindless - but I'm pretty sure ANet didn't want a bot to do the work for you. Otherwise, as stated above, they would have included some in-game functionality to acquire drunk minutes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
Now all that said, I'm sure this piece of software is not allowed under the EULA.
/agree with you here. Without question this is a bot...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dargon
Simply put, if you have to ask, chances are it's bannable
LOL! QFT 100%...

Griff Mon

Griff Mon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In the Elfen Forests of Washington State

Damage Radius

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Turn off post process effects. Keep inventory and title counter open. Consume alcohol. Play game as you normally would. The only problem is that if you get into something that takes up all of your attention, you may get behind on your booze clicks. And that little annoying bit of drunk animations which can make you miss a step step at a critical time.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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95% of 3rd party programs are keyloggers to steal your account, never try to take the easy way out cause you'll lose everything.

No one playing a game is lifeless, because then they would not be breathing. Think logically.

To get max drunkard, pick a town and talk or go afk play another game/watch TV/read/ do something with your significant other..whatever.