Is this illegal/bannable?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

You be logging my keys?

Ah well, the link might've been legit. No biggie. Brb, gonna quickly log into GW and WoW and do some online banking.

Shadow Spirit

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Bannable if you get caught.

And as others have said, it's more fun to be drunk while questing, vanquishing, etc. than while sitting in town

max gladius

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texture mod is a 3rd party program, and anet actual seems to support it...

wierd, would love to get some Gray comment on this program... god knows i need 5000 more mins to max my drunkardness

Lord Xeshm

Lord Xeshm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

This might be a bad place to ask, but is there a timer like program, for windows, that could beep every 2 minutes or so. Then I can do something and click to drink.

Zeek Aran

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Earth, sadly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xeshm
This might be a bad place to ask, but is there a timer like program, for windows, that could beep every 2 minutes or so. Then I can do something and click to drink.
I would love to know this also.

I don't have any proof, but I know I saw Gaile state that it's a bannable offense, but they won't be actively looking for people using it, unlike bots who are being hunted.

HawkofStorms

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Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
texture mod is a 3rd party program, and anet actual seems to support it...

wierd, would love to get some Gray comment on this program... god knows i need 5000 more mins to max my drunkardness
Textmod ONLY modifies the client side graphics and textures. It doesn't impact other people or interface with the game at all. That is what makes it different from a mod that "does the game for you" somehow.

Prof Of Black

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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I wouldn't try it, since a bot is a third party program, which is against the rules.
No risk > all.

~Prof.

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
texture mod is a 3rd party program, and anet actual seems to support it...

wierd, would love to get some Gray comment on this program... god knows i need 5000 more mins to max my drunkardness
Well Texmod does little to alter your play besides how it looks. Now if Texmod played the game for you or somehow reduced requirements on titles, then it's a problem. But if it's just a matter of turning red bad guys green, it doesn't matter.

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Well Texmod does little to alter your play besides how it looks. Now if Texmod played the game for you or somehow reduced requirements on titles, then it's a problem. But if it's just a matter of turning red bad guys green, it doesn't matter.
I think you missed huge QQfest thread about how it cheapened explorer.

Lord Xeshm

Lord Xeshm

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
I don't have any proof, but I know I saw Gaile state that it's a bannable offense, but they won't be actively looking for people using it, unlike bots who are being hunted.
You mean if I get an egg timer, it is bannable? They are really cracking down!

(Hope your reffering to the drink bot)

Zeek Aran

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Earth, sadly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xeshm
You mean if I get an egg timer, it is bannable? They are really cracking down!

(Hope your reffering to the drink bot)
The egg timer won't click for you. In the EULA it says if it can earn anything without a player being at the computer, then it's against the rules.

I really hope your pun was accidental. @_@

Lord Sojar

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Oblivion

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Mouse macros won't get you banned, bots will.

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Mouse macros won't get you banned, bots will.
Not sure exactly what a mouse macro can do, but if it can click twice every minute, I would think it's the same as a bot.

Lord Sojar

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Oblivion

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
Not sure exactly what a mouse macro can do, but if it can click twice every minute, I would think it's the same as a bot.
A mouse macro is the same as a keyboard macro. It tell the mouse to follow a set of instructions. However, I suppose there is a fine line between how far that can go. If you mouse macro the mouse to continuously click until you tell it to stop, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I use my G15 macro keys to login, etc. that is also fine.

When I got my sweet tooth title, i had stack upon stack of Creme Brulee. I used a mouse macro to click until I said stop on each stack (because after about 4 stacks, my finger was going to fall off)

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
A mouse macro is the same as a keyboard macro. It tell the mouse to follow a set of instructions. However, I suppose there is a fine line between how far that can go. If you mouse macro the mouse to continuously click until you tell it to stop, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
Can it work on a timer?

MywayFtw

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Quote:
Drunkard Bot V1.0
Bot is the key word there. Bot = Ban.

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

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Ugh. This is a horrible thread.

Go to google and look for a mouse double click program. There's no reason it HAS to be the "drunkard bot" program. Or use your mouse macro program that came with your mouse. And suddenly the chances of it being a keylogger go down dramatically.

Cheapens the title? Perhaps to some people. But that can be said about a lot of things in-game. Even about the trick of warping after drinking to speed up the process. It might take a bit of skill to do well, but it's still an exploit. Besides, the biggest barrier is still the untold fortune that will be required to attain that much alcohol.

Go ahead and use a clicker program. Keep it quiet and do it on your own and take your chances if you want. What are the odds you get busted? Ridiculously small. Just remember that they are still there so you never know and the risk is real. They have to officially state that all programs are bannable offenses only because they don't want every fool coming and asking them if "program x" is ok to use.

They probably made drunkard harder to achieve just because they don't want to be perceived as encouraging drinking. So they made it harder. Honestly they could eliminate the majority of the debate just by making drunkard like sweet tooth.


Playing while working on the drunkard title, however... now that's my kind of stupid.

max gladius

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Well Texmod does little to alter your play besides how it looks. Now if Texmod played the game for you or somehow reduced requirements on titles, then it's a problem. But if it's just a matter of turning red bad guys green, it doesn't matter.


ahhh check out the mapping titles everywhere... and the forums about "map cantha in a day" or such... textmod has a huge influence on the game, titles, and making it alot easier....

drunk title with auto clicker... still alot of time
cartographer with text mod.... well under 1/2 the time

my view, if they let texture mod, they should let a simple mouse click every 2 minutes... that 2 mins is still 2 mins... it doesnt totally take the title and rip it in half or less...

just me 5 cents...

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
ahhh check out the mapping titles everywhere... and the forums about "map cantha in a day" or such... textmod has a huge influence on the game, titles, and making it alot easier....

my view, if they let texture mod, they should let a simple mouse click every 2 minutes... that 2 mins is still 2 mins... it doesnt totally take the title and rip it in half or less...
But the mouse macro can be done while you're at work/school, sleeping, et cetera. The texmod is merely an aid for vision, or a better version of the photoshop method. You can't say they are on the same plane.

max gladius

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i agree, both different planes, but... both 3rd party software, and i, and many other players, feel textmod took alot more away from the 3 mapping (4 including legendary) then a simple afk click ever 2-3 minute tool would... so personal, i think textmod is worse then this drunkard mouse click micro ever could be...

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
i agree, both different planes, but... both 3rd party software, and i, and many other players, feel textmod took alot more away from the 3 mapping (4 including legendary) then a simple afk click ever 2-3 minute tool would... so personal, i think textmod is worse then this drunkard mouse click micro ever could be...
A mouse macro can get you a whole title from you doing NOTHING besides collecting the ale. 10,000 minutes you should have earned from being at the computer, not AFK. I don't see how that's comparable to having to go out and clear a path and get straight to an area you missed mapping, which could take a while if you don't know the topography.

seekjy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Decompiling the program, the entire "bot" is scripted using Autohotkey and consists of a single line of code less than 20 characters long. It does exactly what has been stated before - double clicks your mouse every 180 seconds.

Shadowmoon

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I'd like to get input from gaile on this, if it is similar to texmod. Seeing how most of the work comes from getting the booze for the title, if this little helper was told to be too below the radar to care by Anet, i'd liek to know.


I think you and I know there a big difference between an autoscript that double clicks every 3 mintues, and one htat autozones, kills mobs, and loots, and repeats.

Witchblade

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Join Date: May 2005

it's amazing to see ig stuff for the Sweet title, Sugar Rush & Pumpkin Ecstasy icons but nothing for the Drunkard effect.
I'd prolly go for a "1 minute beeping tool" in that case, but a clicking one would get you a ban, even with a random value in the process.

/wish for a point system change about all this

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
ahhh check out the mapping titles everywhere... and the forums about "map cantha in a day" or such... textmod has a huge influence on the game, titles, and making it alot easier....
Doesn't make it easier, just less infuriating. It lessens the time it takes to compare maps and that's about it. You still have to go into every damn area, map every edge, kill all the monsters in your way, etc. And it still takes time.

This is the only title Texmod affects. Hell, it's the only thing in GW that people can get up in arms about with Texmod - and it's a very insignificant change.

MercenaryKnight

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I will just stick to my method of getting 3 drunkard minutes in under 10 seconds. Faster than sitting there waiting out 10,000 minutes and easily repeatable.

I still believe that a mouse macro "should" not be a bannable offense. They decided to make you afk 10,000 minutes to gain the title. So what if people have lives and make a program to double click for you every 1/3 minutes? They got the alcohol and don't feel like clicking it all day long for weeks.

But what "should" not be bannable is not always how a.net does it. So it wouldn't surprise me if they've already falsely banned plenty of drunkard title seekers for standing still and searching the web, then pulling up the gws screen every 3 minutes and double clicking.

Liberations

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Meh who cares about drunkard anyway?

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberations
Meh who cares about drunkard anyway?
Obviously everyone here. And many more, who seek to max titles.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberations
Meh who cares about drunkard anyway?
Not as many as those that care about the KoaBD title track.

Lord Xeshm

Lord Xeshm

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
The egg timer won't click for you. In the EULA it says if it can earn anything without a player being at the computer, then it's against the rules.

I really hope your pun was accidental. @_@
I mean if there was a program to play a sound every two minutes in order to inform me that I should click on the alcohol. I still do all the work, but I don't have to look at the clock all the time.

OMG, I accidentally made a pun in my previous post, hehe

Day Trooper

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xeshm
I mean if there was a program to play a sound every two minutes in order to inform me that I should click on the alcohol. I still do all the work, but I don't have to look at the clock all the time.
There are quite a few programs out there that do this exact thing. Do a search on "clock timer download" and you'll find some hits.

IMHO - this is a really great way to acquire drunkard minutes. Here's what I did to max the title:

(1). Open your title window so you can see drunkard minutes; and also open your inventory so you can later click on drinks.
(2). Set up timer to beep every 3 minutes.
(3). Wait for the first beep.
(4). After 3-4 seconds, click drink(s) to get fully drunk (1 spiked eggnog or aged dwarven ale is best for this).
(5). Now either play GW or do some other computer-related task for 3 minutes.
(6). When you hear the next beep; (if necessary switch back to GW and) watch for your drunkard minutes to increment.**
(7). Now click 3 minutes-worth of drinks - i.e. to get fully drunk again (1 firewater is the best way, otherwise use 3 1-minute drinks).
(8). /RinseRepeat steps 5 thru 7 (my goal was to get at least 2 hours of drunkard minutes in each sitting).

** If you don't switch back soon enough, your minutes will have already incremented. If that happens - wait a few more seconds, and if you still don't see your minutes increment then do step 7.

The best thing about this approach is you are doing all the work (*** NO BOT IS INVOLVED ***); all the timer does is provide you with an audio cue when to click the next set of drink(s).

Further, you are actually spending 'real-time' minutes drunk, and not gaining 'cheap minutes' by doing the zone-warp trick.

It definitely is a grindfest to max this title - but with a little (ok a LOT) of perseverance and patience (and gold!) - this is the result .

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Indeed. you really can't cheapen title which theese fellas can obtain:

love it. ty for a good laugh.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarissa F
If you have EotN, you can just use that drunken dwarf skill and go nuts. You can play your character and "get yo crunk on" at the same time.

^^nearly peed myself at that picture.(hmmm, spell check recognizes "peed" as a word)
not to sure if you were with us then but do you rember the dont drink and quest? I forget how long ago this was.

It would seem that Anet has done a complete 180 on this one.

they promote dont drink and quest then give us pve only drunk skills LOL.

New Buddha

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
it's amazing to see ig stuff for the Sweet title, Sugar Rush & Pumpkin Ecstasy icons but nothing for the Drunkard effect.
I'd prolly go for a "1 minute beeping tool" in that case, but a clicking one would get you a ban, even with a random value in the process.

/wish for a point system change about all this
you can use a sound program, loop your one minute interval and have it play in the background, on a tape recorder or even on an old VHS if you still have one lying around...no more winding up that egg timer

Phaern Majes

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Write the program yourself java is a simple enough language to learn and it is a rather simple program. Or hell even BASIC if you need too.

Zeek Aran

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Earth, sadly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius
texture mod is a 3rd party program, and anet actual seems to support it...

wierd, would love to get some Gray comment on this program... god knows i need 5000 more mins to max my drunkardness
Bump! 121212

Silly Warrior

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Day Trooper
And yet another means to cheapen a title - gotta love it
If you've already got the alchy, and you simply don't want to press the buttons...I find this to be a nice alternative.

Especially for those with carpal tunnel, and other gamer diseases.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Day Trooper
There are quite a few programs out there that do this exact thing. Do a search on "clock timer download" and you'll find some hits.
Thank you thank you thank you. I made a thread asking for where I could find a program and didn't get any easy answers, but "clock timer download" found me exactly what I need.

Spanky HB

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mouse macro FTW.. yes and anet cant detemine whats a bot or not :P i know people whos been using bots anet cant detect em still using them

ITS NOT ME.... BOTS ONLY MAKE 20 PLAT EACH HOUR... I MAKE 150 PLAT EACH HOUR HIGH END MERCENTING...

BenjZee

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i see why its risky because afterall you should just be playing. i find it less boring if you dont drink all your alchol at once and work on it overtime. The whole text mod thing is totally different. Its nothing to do with being lazy and waiting along time