Sympathetic Visage Killed My Guild Wars - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 Dec 2007 at 14:04 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

can you not drop silver armour in place of some anti interupt for that area? (seeing as the point is not to kill the mobs anyways and if you manage to pull off both visages....)

I tried glyph of concentration... They interupt the glyph too ! Mantra of resolve would cancel out mantra of earth, so its kinda hopeless trying.

Roman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Illuminati

Mo/

14 Dec 2007 at 14:36 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Guys I didnt crash or slow down or lag or anything

And that was with SV and Mantra of earth

Amd X2 4400+
ASUS A8R32-MVP Deluxe
2 gig ram
ATI X1900 xtx

Did I aggro enough? I dont last long enough to get anymore lol. I only did it to test if it would crash or not. The interupts pwned me yea.

You didnt aggro enough, and you didnt have both visages up.. so thats not really a good comparison.

Also, I'm not using textmod, so that cant be the problem either.

Rift

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Canada

Virtual Love [kiSu]

14 Dec 2007 at 14:43 - 83

I've had no problem farming the cave with VwK, although I usually aggro only 3/4 of them since the build isn't strong enough to kill the mother. But in the times where I did all the cave, no crash, just a death when the mother didn't go down lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiUUSCUDmqY

The problem here is that Sympathetic Visage triggers AoE to all adjacent foes, so you have O(n^2) triggers of the skill to handle. As n grows (more raptors), this number gets considerably larger, and most video cards won't be able to handle it unless you turn down many settings.

fgarvin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

14 Dec 2007 at 14:57 - 84

Too much data going back and forth...you break the internet each time you try this run.

Stop killing the internet.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

14 Dec 2007 at 15:08 - 85

I say we get a group of about 20 people to sync in and try this at the same time...... that should get anet to find a solution to the problem real quick

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

14 Dec 2007 at 15:11 - 86

OMG!! That's crazy dude. I thought I had some numbers flying with VwK...

combatchuck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

14 Dec 2007 at 15:13 - 87

Looks to me like it's caused by Guild Wars being incompatible with a dual core processor. Try setting Gw.exe's affinity to only one core. INSTRUCTIONS HERE

Or you can use this, looks like a good tool: http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/05/...uck/index.html

C_MON

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2007

14 Dec 2007 at 15:25 - 88

I tried it with my warrior. I got a Intel Core 2 duo and 3GB DDR2 memory and Geforce 8800gts. I tried it first with singel Visage and I didn't really have any slowdowns, but with dual Visage the frame rate dropped noticably, but no crash.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Dec 2007 at 15:30 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_MON

I tried it with my warrior. I got a Intel Core 2 duo and 3GB DDR2 memory and Geforce 8800gts. I tried it first with singel Visage and I didn't really have any slowdowns, but with dual Visage the frame rate dropped noticably, but no crash.

Your system is too leet for my wallet

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

14 Dec 2007 at 15:32 - 90

What about textures? I bet its that. You see, GW like any other engine renders text which is to be displayed to textures.

if cave has 32 raptors (iirc, they come in 4 groups of 8 each), its 1024 numbers to be displayed, even thou engine wont fail on that one as it renders multpile text fields into single textures, it could seriously mess with graphical bus, because it is likely to update some texture because of each an every new -3 displayed. Thats lots of overhead, its like rebuilding half of textures for scene 1000 times per second.

That could imply lock since game engine would be busy updating textures 24/7, and never release lock so that engine can use them to display scene, leading to one sided deadlock.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Dec 2007 at 15:43 - 91

"Also, i cant see how this bug would lead to a NERF of the visages, that just doesnt make any sense.."

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Protective_Bond

"Before it was nerfed, this skill was the backbone to a 55 monk build for farming UW. According to Izzy, this skill was nerfed not primarily because it was overpowered in PvE, but because a bug could crop up in its use that would crash Anet servers."

Its happened before.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

14 Dec 2007 at 16:06 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

...but because a bug could crop up in its use that would crash Anet servers."..

Hmm, but they only changed energy cost to prevent from further usage, which means that bug ought be still there, but its unlikely to happen because noone uses that skill anymore.

So it means that we could crash gw with massive prot bond usage. rawr.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Dec 2007 at 17:12 - 93

do you think anet will acauly take notice?

fgarvin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

14 Dec 2007 at 17:20 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

do you think anet will acauly take notice?

[sarcasm]ANet has an OUTSTANDING record of fixing bugs once they're reported[/sarcasm]

ThyNecromancer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

14 Dec 2007 at 17:23 - 95

Using the same skills as you, I aggrovated every group inside accept for the boss group. I got both visage up and didn't lag or notice any drop in FPS

Athelon 4000, 2.4ghz
1.5 gigs ram
geforce 8500, 512 megs of ram on it

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

14 Dec 2007 at 17:23 - 96

im running on
Intel Dual core 3 gig
2gig ram
8800 GTS - 320Gb

i crashed for about 30 seconds at this pont
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7970/gw536rh3.jpg

as you see my ping thing is bright red, before the cras it was green.

30 seconds later, i was still at full hp and everything, it was like time froze :P

Burning Blade

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Syag

14 Dec 2007 at 17:41 - 97

Just tried it in Normal Mode and GW also froze. only 1 Visage was on. Not only GW but my comp froze too. Had to hard reboot.

my system:

AMD Athlon 3200+
1GB RAM
BFG Geforce 6600GT 128MB

BTW how did you manage your health bar full? I had all the -3 reduce dmg runes and insignia on my armor + -2stance shield but my health still drop very quickly

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

E/Me

14 Dec 2007 at 17:47 - 98

Try turning of post process effects. Thats a big cause of crashes.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 Dec 2007 at 17:59 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

do you think anet will acauly take notice?

Did you email them? It might take a while, but the more people that email them....

Oh no wait, they just ignore you and say 'Post it on the community forums'

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

14 Dec 2007 at 19:18 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Blade

Just tried it in Normal Mode and GW also froze. only 1 Visage was on. Not only GW but my comp froze too. Had to hard reboot.

my system:

AMD Athlon 3200+
1GB RAM
BFG Geforce 6600GT 128MB

BTW how did you manage your health bar full? I had all the -3 reduce dmg runes and insignia on my armor + -2stance shield but my health still drop very quickly

Normal mode? :P

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

14 Dec 2007 at 20:50 - 101

core duo t2300 laptop (1.66x2)
2gb of ram
ATi Mobility Radeon x1400

No Crash. was okay with one visage, with both visages, my warrior was doing the robot and then died.

HM btw.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Dec 2007 at 23:04 - 102

hmmm ah well its been proven enough, most systems cant do this without lagging to death or killing the client.

Anet will most likely leave this be. (-.-)

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

14 Dec 2007 at 23:34 - 103

nice anti farm code

blakecraw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Austin, TX

14 Dec 2007 at 23:54 - 104

I love it. Now what if like 500 people get on and do this all at the same time? Are we gonna see an anet account on here saying "wtf raptor farming crashed my server"?

Dominator1370

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

15 Dec 2007 at 01:05 - 105

You wanna really mess with Anet? Get 500 people running SV/AV and just to be safe get another 500 people running Prot Bond. Might be enough to change Anet's bugfix policy.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

15 Dec 2007 at 01:16 - 106

LOl at above 2 posts

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

15 Dec 2007 at 01:25 - 107

Didn't crash my computer after only using one. Really no lag at all, and my computer isn't top notch. o.O *very disappointed*

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

15 Dec 2007 at 01:41 - 108

well I tried this and it didn't crash my client, but I didn't live longer than 6 seconds either. full knight's armor, sup absorb, riddle of steel inscrip on the shield. Nada.

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

15 Dec 2007 at 01:43 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

well I tried this and it didn't crash my client, but I didn't live longer than 6 seconds either. full knight's armor, sup absorb, riddle of steel inscrip on the shield. Nada.

I had the same problem. Physical resistance doesn't help, as my dolyak's gives +40 already.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

15 Dec 2007 at 01:47 - 110

It very well may be your texmod...it does filter the display through another program so it may be texmod freezing instead of GW, and it affects your whole computer.

Oh and I should give my comp specs:

amd athlon 64 3400+
1gb corsair RAM
ATI X700XT video card

as you can see it's far from a blazing system.

Roman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Illuminati

Mo/

15 Dec 2007 at 01:57 - 111

Its not textmod, since I have never even used that..

Pickletron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Australia

[Godz]

R/Mo

15 Dec 2007 at 06:29 - 112

Seems as though all the high-spec systems are crashing. You say that with all the "eye-candy" on it's 50 FPS.
Maybe with all the eye candy off it won't crash :S.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

15 Dec 2007 at 08:43 - 113

thats wierd that it would just crash. back before the nerfed spirit bonding you could fill the entire screen with -3's, heals, and damages with no problems at all.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

15 Dec 2007 at 10:07 - 114

I propose we submit a bug report by loading Protective Bond, Sympathetic Visage, and Ancestor's Visage all on the same bar, and synch crash the server. Drag along a hero with Greater Conflagaration and run Mantra of Flame+both bonds for energy, or something.

edit: I'm not advocating this, actually, just sarcasm. Really, I just hope they can fix the problem without hitting SV/AV again.

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

15 Dec 2007 at 10:14 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

I propose we submit a bug report by loading Protective Bond, Sympathetic Visage, and Ancestor's Visage all on the same bar, and synch crash the server. Drag along a hero with Greater Conflagaration and run Mantra of Flame+both bonds for energy, or something.

edit: I'm not advocating this, actually, just sarcasm. Really, I just hope they can fix the problem without hitting SV/AV again.

Yep I hope so, then those 2 skills would become from useful to completely useless *cough* looks at incoming *cough* not to forget the rest...

All we have to do is hope

- Ganni

Symeon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

15 Dec 2007 at 12:22 - 116

GW crashes when I lure 20+ smite crawlers and use one visage... found that out a while ago

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

15 Dec 2007 at 12:46 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Symeon

GW crashes when I lure 20+ smite crawlers and use one visage... found that out a while ago

lawl XD that is quite bad, pls dont try this then, your pc will explode.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

15 Dec 2007 at 12:46 - 118

I think client close for over use of the internet connection between client and server in a very little space of time, so if your computer is good or bad it doesn't matter. I don't mean high bandwidth usage, I mean too many packets between client and server trying to synchronize what you are doing with server. (it's a little hard for me explain this in english, well, I tried)

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

15 Dec 2007 at 12:47 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

I think client close for over use of the internet connection between client and server in a very little space of time, so if your computer is good or bad it doesn't matter.

so your saying its not the graphics but more the data transfer, so faster interent = less chance of crash?

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

15 Dec 2007 at 14:00 - 120

I don't have GWEN so just asking, does SS crash the client as well when doing this farm?