Sympathetic Visage Killed My Guild Wars

laurson

laurson

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Enschede, Holland

W/

You haven't got enough power in your computer. How many Watts do you have?
You need 400W+ I think.

Faena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Snif

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
I think client close for over use of the internet connection between client and server in a very little space of time, so if your computer is good or bad it doesn't matter. I don't mean high bandwidth usage, I mean too many packets between client and server trying to synchronize what you are doing with server. (it's a little hard for me explain this in english, well, I tried)
Can't test this because I don't have access to Rata sum with my warrior, however to try, someone should download a traffic analyzer (like wireshark) and make a capture of packets. If the increase is really huge then maybe, but I hope Anet is buffering the synchronization packets (so many messages at the same time could be sent in a single packet).

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
well I tried this and it didn't crash my client, but I didn't live longer than 6 seconds either. full knight's armor, sup absorb, riddle of steel inscrip on the shield. Nada.
See I tole yah this build couldn't work without some form of healing. But, IGMO bravv thought it could lmao.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

well i was only testing and i did have a -2/-2 sheild but yeah that doesnt matter lol

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
See I tole yah this build couldn't work without some form of healing. But, IGMO bravv thought it could lmao.
So apparently it doesn't matter that dont feel no pain did last longer than that does it? <_<

On topic: I won't be able to test this, but it seems pretty bad. Hope Anet can do something about it x.x

Angelic Upstart

Angelic Upstart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

South Coast UK

[SBS] [RETIRED]

W/E

I laughed hard at that screenie, even harder when i did it myself, but then i have always liked your slant on builds DFNP, ever since i stumbled on an ettin farming set up, with conjure flame and frenzy..... keep up the good work.

great sir s

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

The depths of Africa

[LotU]

N/Me

imagine on HM when they attack faster xD youd need a supercomputer ;o

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

E/

Since this started, I've been using an e/me sliver build down there, running dual visage. Slows me down a bit, but nothing too serious. It's something different to farm. Thanks for the idea.

Whirlwind

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
Cause ATI cards suck.
yeah that really has something to do with it... maybe post something constructive

The 2 brands go back and forth so often trumping each other with new technology that it doesn't even matter... wait a few months and the others new release is "better" ... etc

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
so your saying its not the graphics but more the data transfer, so faster interent = less chance of crash?
Faster internet doesn't solve the problem, Bill Gates crash too. Faster internet works only for download things, the other things are the same.

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

R/N

It sounds like what causes the crash is a buffer overflow probably in the drawing buffer although could be in the engine message buffer.

Brianna

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlwind
yeah that really has something to do with it... maybe post something constructive

The 2 brands go back and forth so often trumping each other with new technology that it doesn't even matter... wait a few months and the others new release is "better" ... etc
Hey now, I really did consider the fact that an ATI card could have been the problem. Evidently by now it may not be (Not reading back, but I know others have the crash too) which is completely reasonable. I'm just saying in my experience It's been bad with ATI cards, my laptop has one, and needless to say.. it makes me lose hair, my GF has one too.. ugh. Nvidia cards have always just seemed more reliable then ATI, plus 8800GTX's are pretty nifty right now.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

Texmod is definitely part of the problem for those that are crashing running it, for those that think that it doesnt slow your machine operating it, you are just fooling yourself.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by stretchs
Texmod is definitely part of the problem for those that are crashing running it, for those that think that it doesnt slow your machine operating it, you are just fooling yourself.
Except more than half the people who have crashed have said they aren't running TexMod.

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stretchs
Texmod is definitely part of the problem for those that are crashing running it, for those that think that it doesnt slow your machine operating it, you are just fooling yourself.
Don't see how, since I run 3-7 mods at all times, and I don't have this issue. As far as slowing down your system, only if you're running on the low end of the spectrum. A midgrade or better graphics card and you won't have an issue with Texmod related slowdowns.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by laurson
You haven't got enough power in your computer. How many Watts do you have?
You need 400W+ I think.
No you don't as mine only has 200watts and I can play GW for over 6 hrs with no problem.

Krazi Bastid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

A/

i dont really think this is a bug. i think its just overload on your computer. if you calculate everything, its a TON of numbers per second. i tried this a while back on the halycon job sins. i think the number is 27 sins when u aggro them all. so lets just say they attack like once per second.


one hit from one guy triggers the -3.....27 times
one hit from 27 guys triggers the -3.....27x27 = 729 times
8second visage triggers the -3............729x8 = 5832 times
2 visages at same time triggers the -3..5832x2= 11664 times

i never see more than maybe 100 -3s (im estimating) on my screen. so that means there are hundreds or thousands of -3s that dont fit on my screen but my computer is putting out them out anyways. i guess if your screens width was like a mile long, you can see them all.

so pretty much, if you dont own a high end type computer, find a different build or aggro less enemies. i cant visage 27 sins but i can dual visage 10.

this is one occasion that im glad that enemies flee, otherwise i couldnt 600 foundry. when i hit that visage and famine is dealin dmg, they flee after a few sec. if they didnt, i would be pwned by the -3s and my comp would crash.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

blah nvm I get it.

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

The revenge of raptors for the genocide

Chico

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

I still don't see an answer to:
Is this crashing your client only or the whole instance?
Just carry someone around and ask what happens when you crash.

If you get the 'do you want to reconnect?" dialog then you're doing absolutely nothing to your instance or the server. If this could crash the servers it would be very funny ^^ yay for buffer overflows

legacyofkain85

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
Cause ATI cards suck.
nvidia ftw
(argh need to lenghten te message past 12 characters)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
No you don't as mine only has 200watts and I can play GW for over 6 hrs with no problem.
omg that is so little power,but if it can run than no prob (mi vga requires min
400w or 500w cant recall)

dread pirate fargus

dread pirate fargus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

in bed

X Peace And Love X [PaL]

W/

i had a e/me earth build for farming here before my 2nd account got factions (couldnt use shadowform) and yeah all the pink numbers occasionally made me crash, especially when mixed with sandstorm + dragons stomp + aftershock

when i say occasionally, i mean about half the time -.-

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
i had a e/me earth build for farming here before my 2nd account got factions (couldnt use shadowform) and yeah all the pink numbers occasionally made me crash, especially when mixed with sandstorm + dragons stomp + aftershock

when i say occasionally, i mean about half the time -.-
I can't recall, is there an option to turn them off?

There should be.

cerb

cerb

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Sept-Iles, QC, Canada

Les Tric??ratops Sont Nos [Amis]

Mo/

Me and Avarre were trying to aggro as many smites as we could yesterday, got a 26 smites & 9 coldfires aggro (all the groups we could pull) and after he cast SV, my computer (MacBook) literally froze. His computer didn't, but that's probably because he wasn't seeing all the -3's from SV and the -0's from SoA. I think I'll report to ANet, maybe they can fix it so it displays less numbers against big aggros. (We already did something like 9 colds and 17 smites with no problem)

Liberations

Liberations

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Azeroth (shhh)

Ryders of the Sword [FrNd]

E/

Ati cards don't suck...

That's cool... I wonder if there's a way to make even more 3s....

DarklingKiller

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA

Quit

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberations

That's cool... I wonder if there's a way to make even more 3s....

I know! Get a hero/buddy to come with you as a Mo/x or x/Mo. Make him/her/hero bring healing seed. Meanwhile, bring your Rt/me or Me/rt there and equip vhengful was Khanai. Run in use the two SVs, cast healing seed, hit Vhengful was Khanai. That would be very interesting to see.

lilDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Treehouse #1

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
The OP's build is pretty bad anyways it has no healing skill, couldn't possibly work anywhere in HM without some form of healing skill.
err...lol?

OT - am gonna have to rem to give this a shot when I get to Riven with my wammo, might be great fun!

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

I wanna do this but im afraid it will destroy my comp

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Here's something you guys might find interesting:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10239188

- Ganni

Joe L.

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

USA

R/

I used to do a similar farm on the Shiro'ken at Unwaking, using their Famine against them. Way back before the Spirit Bond Nerf. Never crashed once. Hmm.....

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by spun ducky
It sounds like what causes the crash is a buffer overflow probably in the drawing buffer although could be in the engine message buffer.
I concur with Spun Ducky on this.

It is possible the Seed of Life thing is the same.

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

Maybe the amount of 3's added up to 666. Aggro less raptors next time!

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
Cause ATI cards suck.
You may want to argue with this, but sorry.

When the nVidia logo says "The way it's meant to be played" it's not just propaganda. It's pure truth.

No wonder why most Farb-rausch members use nVidia cards. Like it or not. Pure truth.

P.D.: No, nVidia didn't pay me to say this, XD.

beregond

beregond

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Paladins of Eternal Truth[POET]

W/Mo

nVidia just simply pwns ATI. There is no doubt about it.

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

I prefer nVidia for two reasons:

1) SEXIER LOGO!

2) Easier to tell models apart. Generally higher number = higher performance (with exceptions, such as the lower-numbered models in a family like the GeForce 7300 which is basically a GeForce 5500 but with DX9 support), whilst with ATi it's all topsy turvy. It's like the Ultra X1900 is WEAKER than the totally-amateurishly-named Radeon 200. Or some craziness like that.

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

Happends with Vaettirs in HM too.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Even though this thread is old I shall respond because it's not ancient enough to need to stay dead, and because I am bored.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe L.
I used to do a similar farm on the Shiro'ken at Unwaking, using their Famine against them. Way back before the Spirit Bond Nerf. Never crashed once. Hmm.....
I don't recall there being enough Shiro'ken to do it. I know cerb crashed when there were 20-30 mobs being hit by SV at once, and I think there were under 20 Shiro'ken from the pull around the temple? I could be wrong, it's been awhile.

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
After abit of messing around with raptor farming builds i decided to try out a visage build.

[skill]Triple Chop[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Sympathetic Visage[/skill][skill]Ancestor's Visage[/skill][skill]Wary Stance[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]Physical Resistance[/skill]

Do you like numbers? i like numbers, but guild wars.. does not like numbers.



I crashed my pc 6 times before finding out it was the -3's that kept killing the client, and then to try and get a screen i reduced my graphics and the number size to a minimum and it last less than 5 seconds. And im pretty sure it doesn't say on the back of eye of the north "Btw using a visage on the raptors outside rata sum will kill your guild wars client."

My System
Amd Athlon 3000+ 64bit
1GB of Ram
512mb Ati Radeon X1650 (full eye candy = 50fps)
Res 1440x900
Im pretty sure im way over the Minimum Req for the game.

If anyone wants to test this themsevles, gather with physical resistance, stop and use dolyak signet and then wary stance -> visage. The idea was that once i got visage down i could gain energy with a zealous weapon, but i never got close to that part.

I also have tried without texmod btw and same result

and also

dont flame the build, i was just on a test run LOL
why dont u get a hero to plop down famine then run off out of party range... more dmg imo

EDIT: i've done this on a shitter comp than you in factions it works fine .... on my 8800GTS i experience almost no frame loss

Taisayacho

Taisayacho

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

England (GMT)

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

I've done this on a computer without a graphics card, only a "media accelerator," a laptop, same result. Fun stuff though.

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

I used to farm outside harvest temple a year ago with SV on a much crappier computer and saw about the same number of -3's. Mine didn't crash... just lagged down to about 10 FPS.