They have called it the DEVIL's game though.
Dear ANet, Please extend Wintersday
Master Knightfall
You aren't ENTITLED to anything. It's a GAMBLE just like anything else that is given on a percentage you lost sorry you don't deserve ANYTHING. Works just like a Roulette table. By the way did you know if you add up all the numbers on a roulette talbe what they add up to? Interesting....do it for yourself and find out. They have called it the DEVIL's game though.
They have called it the DEVIL's game though.
Rift
You can't always get what you want. Such is life.
Gaile even posted yesterday it would probably end during the night, and we got a couple more hours to trade in shards/bug the warden for a bear. :P
Gaile even posted yesterday it would probably end during the night, and we got a couple more hours to trade in shards/bug the warden for a bear. :P
Vinraith
Kind of defies the notion of a "finale" doesn't it? Last year it was extended because of the problems in Asia, and while I completely respect that it went on way too long as a result.
darkdreamr
I don't want the event to continue. I just want the wintersday gift giver back.
Maximumraver
/Dontcare
+1
+1
Haijiibirdhead
Oh I know its a gamble. Thats why im saying the complaints about Wintersdays abrupt ending has merit.
The counters to my objections = You basically telling me what I'm objecting against.
Debating in circles is ftl ppl.
Its a gamble with insane odds that was only known about for what , slightly longer than a day?
Such is bad community relations.
The counters to my objections = You basically telling me what I'm objecting against.
Debating in circles is ftl ppl.
Its a gamble with insane odds that was only known about for what , slightly longer than a day?
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Master Knightfall
Nope no giftgiver back either....you had plenty of time to turn in items just because you didn't get a bear doesn't mean you are entitled to more time or an npc gift giver. Sorry, nope, you lost you didn't get one and you'll have to wait till next year to try again....end of story should be end of thread...close please.
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(ascalon in snow and ice, please keep it, much better than that wasteland.)
Haijiibirdhead
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only one confirmed that I know about, and at such insane odds people were given practically no time to get it, considering that it was first discovered DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
I usually like to keep my posts refined, but jesus. Stop kissing Anet's hole.
quickmonty
Dear ANET,
Please give everyone a polar bear so we no longer have to endure the ceaseless QQ from all the people that "never had a chance to get one".
Thank you.
Please give everyone a polar bear so we no longer have to endure the ceaseless QQ from all the people that "never had a chance to get one".
Thank you.
Fidelity
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Youre talking as if more than a few , and i mean a FEW people got a bear the entire wintersday,
only one confirmed that I know about, and at such insane odds people were given practically no time to get it, considering that it was first discovered DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I usually like to keep my posts refined, but jesus. Stop kissing Anet's hole. |
Yichi
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Youre talking as if more than a few , and i mean a FEW people got a bear the entire wintersday,
only one confirmed that I know about, and at such insane odds people were given practically no time to get it, considering that it was first discovered DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I usually like to keep my posts refined, but jesus. Stop kissing Anet's hole. |
You're not entitled to anything. If you get it, then you get it. If not, oh well. Not everything is given to everyone. Get over it.
Miss Persephone
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Terrible end? So you let the fact that someone got something you didn't get to you? That's pretty megalomaniacal.
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Master Knightfall
There are plenty of bears out there just because the few who post on this forum didn't get one doesn't mean that plenty of others didn't get one. Don't be jealous there's always next year.
cthulhu reborn
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damn it took hell of a time to get that post
 i love wintersday, i need tons of eggnogs but i have to say /notsigned |
Haijiibirdhead
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Next year people will have moved on to GW2 , I will have most likely quit If you must know. Lets just leave next year out of this shall we.
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DEBATING 101
Do : Listen to the points that the other side is making and make an effort to counter them.
Don't : Make up the other sides position yourself , and give a counter to what you imagine they are saying.
That is all.
Fidelity
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Not to mention that there may be more mini polar bear drops which would devaluate the one you got. Maybe that is why you didn't sign it.
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No need to be so bitter, Witch just did the same as the rest of us, farming for wintersday goodies and got a very nice drop.
Yichi
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I've made my point, and if this post of internet stupidity is the level of replies, that people give, then schools must be getting bad.
DEBATING 101 Do : Listen to the points that the other side is making and make an effort to counter them. Don't : Make up the other sides position yourself , and give a counter to what you imagine they are saying. That is all. |
Step 2: Don't assume the other side's argument, listen to the facts and present a logical rebuttal to that argument...
Step 3: Be prepared to deal with someone having an opposing view of your own and be able to counter it intelligently...
Step 4: When all else fails, make thread and bitch...
Step 5: ......
Step 6: (repeat step 5)
Haijiibirdhead
Did you just call me greedy? Because if were resorting to childish namecalling I have no interest in talking to you.
Oh I'm sooo greedy for wanting an even semi realistic time frame to earn an in game item fairly that I already made myself near sick trying to get but got nothing.
I'm a real Grentch huh. /rolls eyes.
I'm greedy for that am I , and its all "grats witchblade, gg witchblade etc" , where are the people calling her "greedy" for wanting wintersday over to maintain the exhorbitant value of her newly aquired minipet.
Oh I dont see it. Must be my greedy eyes always shifting to new gold XD
I dont know why i bother with ppl here sometimes.
Oh I'm sooo greedy for wanting an even semi realistic time frame to earn an in game item fairly that I already made myself near sick trying to get but got nothing.
I'm a real Grentch huh. /rolls eyes.
I'm greedy for that am I , and its all "grats witchblade, gg witchblade etc" , where are the people calling her "greedy" for wanting wintersday over to maintain the exhorbitant value of her newly aquired minipet.
Oh I dont see it. Must be my greedy eyes always shifting to new gold XD
I dont know why i bother with ppl here sometimes.
Jongo River
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Have a valid point that justifies an argument thats not out of self greed...
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Try listening - mostly people just want equal access to in-game rewards.
quickmonty
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I've made my point, and if this post of internet stupidity is the level of replies, that people give, then schools must be getting bad.
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Oh, wait! I forgot to add the <sarcasm> tag for all you "smart" people.
Finished school long before you were born, and yes, schools must be getting worse then when I attended.
/flame off
Yichi
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Did you just call me greedy? Because if were resorting to childish namecalling I have no interest in talking to you.
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You're a perfect example of Haijiibirdhead's point. You've been attacking everyone as though they're saying "I WANT A RARE PET TO SELL!"
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The simple fact of the matter is that the minipet is a rare drop. hence the word, "RARE"!!!
The word rare according to the Miriam-Webster dictionary (www.m-w.com)
Please feel free to read the highlighted part.
Now tell me where in there that just because you want one, or just because there is one in the game, that means you are entitled to it or that you are guarenteed such an item? Rare drops exist for a reason and just because you had a limited time to get one (that we know of for now) does not mean that you are guarenteed one.
Anet added this prize without telling anyone, the same as they did for the mini ghostly hero, and even now there are only a handful out there and this prize has been in the game for months now. Hence the definition of the phrase "rare drop."
If this is still too hard to grasp, read point 3 in the definitions of the word "rare".
Aerian_Skybane
I am still failing to see why people are calling the event as "abruptly ending"
From: http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...k7/default.php
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Jetdoc
I'm glad they ended it...my character was getting overloaded with Spiked Eggnogs...
LadyXealia
/signed
that timeline is for the hats and when the battle between grenth and dwayna would take place......
the ending of wintersday without notice is b.s.!!!!!! i had just ended the mission with grenth and had just loaded into the city..and i wanted to turn in my candy cane shards so i start running to the npc to trade in my c.c.shards and i look and see that the message "new build blah blah blah" came up...i turn around and all the wintersday npc's are gone!!! now i cant turn in my candy cane shards! cant they at least put back the wintersday gift giver npc?!!!!!!!!!
if they are to end wintersday (without giving previous notice of end time) why not get rid of everything? (which i dont want!) grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
why not extend it like they did before?? was it last year or the year before that it was extended till jan 11th?
i want wintersday back for at least another day...allow everyone the chance to wrap up what they havent finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i dont care about some rare drop...now im stuck with 6 slots of inventory taken up till next year....unless ANET does have a heart and puts back the wintersday gift giver npc......
that timeline is for the hats and when the battle between grenth and dwayna would take place......
the ending of wintersday without notice is b.s.!!!!!! i had just ended the mission with grenth and had just loaded into the city..and i wanted to turn in my candy cane shards so i start running to the npc to trade in my c.c.shards and i look and see that the message "new build blah blah blah" came up...i turn around and all the wintersday npc's are gone!!! now i cant turn in my candy cane shards! cant they at least put back the wintersday gift giver npc?!!!!!!!!!
if they are to end wintersday (without giving previous notice of end time) why not get rid of everything? (which i dont want!) grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
why not extend it like they did before?? was it last year or the year before that it was extended till jan 11th?
i want wintersday back for at least another day...allow everyone the chance to wrap up what they havent finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i dont care about some rare drop...now im stuck with 6 slots of inventory taken up till next year....unless ANET does have a heart and puts back the wintersday gift giver npc......
Aerian_Skybane
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/signed
that timeline is for the hats and when the battle between grenth and dwayna would take place...... |
The first Wintersday ended just like this. Last year was an exception based on charity towards those who missed the finale entirely. This year was a return to form.
I read the "finale" as the last time I have before they remove Wintersday from servers. I do all my business before the last finale, instead of vainly farming more, eeking out a little bit more pixels and then complaining I have nowhere to put them.
Yichi
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...the ending of wintersday without notice is b.s.!!!!!!
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The Wintersday event begins at Noon Pacific time (-8 GMT) on Friday, December 21, 2007 and runs for 12 days. During the event, the cities of Kamadan, Lion's Arch, Droknar's Forge, and Ascalon City will shine like beacons in the winter night sky with festive Wintersday decorations, while holiday NPCs walk the streets lending their holiday spirit to this jolly season. Visitors to these four cities will be invited to participate in special holiday quests, missions, and games, all with their own rewards. And don't be surprised if a snowball fight breaks out before the end of the festival.
In addition those activities, the Wintersday grand finale will take place in Lion's Arch and Kamadan every three hours during Wintersday itself. The first finale will begin at 12:01 AM Pacific on Tuesday, January 1, 2008, and the final event will begin at 12:01 AM on Wednesday, January 2, 2008. |
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why not extend it like they did before?? was it last year or the year before that it was extended till jan 11th?
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cthulhu reborn
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I'm sure if you were in Witch's shoes, you'd be the same
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My sense of humour I admit tends to be a tad black and on the sarcastic side...certainly not to be taken too seriously.
Master Knightfall
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Oh, wait! I forgot to add the <sarcasm> tag for all you "smart" people.
Finished school long before you were born, and yes, schools must be getting worse then when I attended. /flame off |
Jongo River
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The word rare according to the Miriam-Webster dictionary
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ROFLOL. You've clearly put some effort into that. I won't comment on your attempt to teach me English from a US online dictionary
and will, instead, simply ask you: how does the definition of rare counter arguments against the level of rarity assigned to a virtual item?And if people want to express that they don't like the methods of awarding these sorts of bonuses, and would prefer other systems that have also been used in the past, why shouldn't they?
Yes ANet have included rare pets from chests before - I would argue that was of less concern, because they were in elite areas, were the kinds of players that want rarity gravitate too. This was a festival prize. We all join in at festivals, regardless of skill level or the amount of time we can commit. Is it too much to ask that the rewards be accessible?
Master Knightfall
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Did you just call me greedy? Because if were resorting to childish namecalling I have no interest in talking to you.
Oh I'm sooo greedy for wanting an even semi realistic time frame to earn an in game item fairly that I already made myself near sick trying to get but got nothing. I'm a real Grentch huh. /rolls eyes. I'm greedy for that am I , and its all "grats witchblade, gg witchblade etc" , where are the people calling her "greedy" for wanting wintersday over to maintain the exhorbitant value of her newly aquired minipet. Oh I dont see it. Must be my greedy eyes always shifting to new gold XD I dont know why i bother with ppl here sometimes. |
Crimso
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/snip
ROFLOL. You've clearly put some effort into that. I won't comment on your attempt to teach me English from a US online dictionary and will, instead, simply ask you: how does the definition of rare counter arguments against the level of rarity assigned to a virtual item?And if people want to express that they don't like the methods of awarding these sorts of bonuses, and would prefer other systems that have also been used in the past, why shouldn't they? Yes ANet have included rare pets from chests before - I would argue that was of less concern, because they were in elite areas, were the kinds of players that want rarity gravitate too. This was a festival prize. We all join in at festivals, regardless of skill level or the amount of time we can commit. Is it too much to ask that the rewards be accessible? |
Meo Yeong
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I agree why don't you just leave, we certainly don't need yet another QQer here we have enough of them on a daily basis already. So, go crawl in mommies lap and snuggle up to her busom and have her make it awwww better. (put your thumb in your mouth for old times sake too huh?)
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As for the event it did feel a bit abrupt when it ended but oh well. I still think it would have been nicer if the mass had a better chance at getting the polar bear like the mini pig since it was a festivities mini pet.
Yichi
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...how does the definition of rare counter arguments against the level of rarity assigned to a virtual item?
And if people want to express that they don't like the methods of awarding these sorts of bonuses, and would prefer other systems that have also been used in the past, why shouldn't they? Yes ANet have included rare pets from chests before - I would argue that was of less concern, because they were in elite areas, were the kinds of players that want rarity gravitate too. This was a festival prize. We all join in at festivals, regardless of skill level or the amount of time we can commit. Is it too much to ask that the rewards be accessible? |
1.) in every game, items will have a value assigned to them. The higher the value, the lower the drop rate of said items. This has been done throughout the history of online games and any game for that matter that rewarded its players through item/loot drops. Guildwars is nothing new to this market. Certian Items are placed within games and are ment to be rare. If Arenanet wanted everyone to have a shot at a mini polar bear, they would have done it as an all event prize such as the mini pig.
2.) the playerbase reacting to rare items and a low drop rate is nothing new to any game. There will always be people saying that the drop rate is too low for certian items that are in high demand, yet seldom are found, thus again pointing towards the title of being a "RARE DROP".
3.) This mini polar bear is not a festival prize. It is an item that is rewarded in a chest for completing the objective. No where in any definition of the quest, of being a chest, of being a drop in the game, is this item listed as a festival prize. If said item was a festival prize, than it should have been handled in an event such as the mini pig was handled, where everyone in the districts that met the criteria recieved one. So since a chest spawns when I finish underworld, does this mean that its an automatic eternal blade? Because this is the likeness that you compared it to in such that since it is a chance in a quest reward, that upon completion of said quest, youre entitled to the rarest possible outcome as a reward of said quest being completed.
bhavv
The mini pig was gold and therefore meant to be rare as well.
O.o
No one is really bothered too much about the drop rate of the polar bear, if you bother to read, the problem was that Anet didnt confirm it untill the last day, and they actually said it was false prior to this.
I would have liked to have used to full 12 days to attempt getting a mini polar bear, not the 8 hours that I had. Not that 8 hours of grinding shouldnt be enough anyway, but thats how rare they made it that it virtually didnt drop for anyone that had been farming for it for 20+ hours.
O.o
No one is really bothered too much about the drop rate of the polar bear, if you bother to read, the problem was that Anet didnt confirm it untill the last day, and they actually said it was false prior to this.
I would have liked to have used to full 12 days to attempt getting a mini polar bear, not the 8 hours that I had. Not that 8 hours of grinding shouldnt be enough anyway, but thats how rare they made it that it virtually didnt drop for anyone that had been farming for it for 20+ hours.
obastable
My biggest gripe with this event was the lag (avg. ping of 18k woo!).
My biggest gripe with Anet is allowing the lie regarding the Polar Bear mini to perpetuate until the last minute. Gaile posted on the 28th denying its existence, then counters, apologizes, and confirms it 5 days later... approximately 24 hours before the event ends.
This does not constitute acceptable business practice. "Sorry" is not a magical word. Excuses and apologies do not turn back time nor do they fix a problem or offer a solution.
I don't want an extended event. /notsigned for that.
I do want, and fully expect, and explanation and solution to the problem of Anets "oversight" on the polar bear matter.
My biggest gripe with Anet is allowing the lie regarding the Polar Bear mini to perpetuate until the last minute. Gaile posted on the 28th denying its existence, then counters, apologizes, and confirms it 5 days later... approximately 24 hours before the event ends.
This does not constitute acceptable business practice. "Sorry" is not a magical word. Excuses and apologies do not turn back time nor do they fix a problem or offer a solution.
I don't want an extended event. /notsigned for that.
I do want, and fully expect, and explanation and solution to the problem of Anets "oversight" on the polar bear matter.
Yichi
I agree that it was bad on Arenanet's part to deny the existance of the item, then confirm it only after someone finds one prior to the ending of the event.
I have never said otherwise.
and the minipig was different as pointed out already in that it wasn't a chest reward, it was a festival prize, much like the hats are.
The mini ghostly was announced as a special prize added to the hall of heroes chest, and took over 3 months to find the first one. Thus equaling far more than 20 hours someone spent running a quest for a bear and these have a similar drop rate aparently...
I have never said otherwise.
and the minipig was different as pointed out already in that it wasn't a chest reward, it was a festival prize, much like the hats are.
The mini ghostly was announced as a special prize added to the hall of heroes chest, and took over 3 months to find the first one. Thus equaling far more than 20 hours someone spent running a quest for a bear and these have a similar drop rate aparently...
Diddy bow
More grinding for the polar you will never get, you will fell better if you dont
/Notsigned, there is NO WAY anet will let the bear be as rare as it is, i just know it.
/Notsigned, there is NO WAY anet will let the bear be as rare as it is, i just know it.
Rexion
the stopped the wintersday event because they found out that global warming hit Tyria and made the mini-polar bears go extinct.
way to go Cantha for your stupid polluted city.
way to go Cantha for your stupid polluted city.
Div
You guys are all retarded. Wintersday is a privilege that Anet gave to us for a week or two. They didn't have to do this, and they didn't have to activate that mini polar bear thing or tell us about it. Now quit whining and go out for a beer or something. Staying at home 24/7 having your mommy watch over you will only make you a whiny little brat over a computer game special event.