/signed
Simply great.
How2Fix PVP
Dronte
Quru
Whoa, this is awesome. Perfect. I'll really like to see this.
Computerwiz1990
why even try and waiste your time on that? The chances of Anet doing that is slim to none.
They would hardly ever do it anyway, and they are working on GW2.
anyway /signed
They would hardly ever do it anyway, and they are working on GW2.
anyway /signed
Buttermilk
/signed
Amazing idea, and also one of the most original I've seen so far.
If they don't implement it in this game, maybe they will in add it in Guild Wars 2
Amazing idea, and also one of the most original I've seen so far.
If they don't implement it in this game, maybe they will in add it in Guild Wars 2
Vanquisher
I'm not a fan of any of those ideas, to be honest. Nor do I think any would fix PvP.
Kanyatta
I really don't understand what is broken about PvP that needs fixing?
I suppose as long as these ideas you implement don't affect HB or GvG rank, or affect the ladder in any way, i'll /sign it
If they do affect GvG or HB rank, its a definite /notsigned
I don't understand why this was stickied, it's not as if it's a great idea or anything. Unless photoshopped pics of GW menus is an automatic sticky? Basically, it's nothing groundbreaking, and it really needs a different title, because PvP isn't broken, and this would fix nothing even if it "supposedly" is.
I suppose as long as these ideas you implement don't affect HB or GvG rank, or affect the ladder in any way, i'll /sign it
If they do affect GvG or HB rank, its a definite /notsigned
I don't understand why this was stickied, it's not as if it's a great idea or anything. Unless photoshopped pics of GW menus is an automatic sticky? Basically, it's nothing groundbreaking, and it really needs a different title, because PvP isn't broken, and this would fix nothing even if it "supposedly" is.
R.Shayne
I absolutely hate PvP because of the large number of immature people you find there, but I like your suggestion. I would be able to pvp in something and not have to worry about being in a guild.
Thanks for the great suggestion, hope ANET adds you to the pay roll and stops nerfing PvE.
/Signed
Thanks for the great suggestion, hope ANET adds you to the pay roll and stops nerfing PvE.
/Signed
Kanyatta
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I absolutely hate PvP because of the large number of immature people you find there
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prism2525
/signed
Brilliant idea IMO. Even if it were a no-gain at ALL i would like it (no-gain meaning no Faction, no rank, no XP, NOTHING).
Brilliant idea IMO. Even if it were a no-gain at ALL i would like it (no-gain meaning no Faction, no rank, no XP, NOTHING).
ensoriki
/signed.
Should of put something about that must be in a guild for (15 days is it?)
to gvg or whatever, thats annoying.
Should of put something about that must be in a guild for (15 days is it?)
to gvg or whatever, thats annoying.
ValaOfTheFens
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PvPers just don't like dealing with bad players, that's why you perceive us as "immature"
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Trylo
congrats, you just won my "youre my hero of the day" award.
/signed
/signed
Kanyatta
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That's the exact problem. Its hard to get into PvP because if you get into a party and don't have the FoTM build they boot you w/o ever even telling you why. I'd like to get into PvP a bit more but I don't know anything about the metagame and the pros are too lazy to help inexperienced players. There's a difference between being a bad player and an inexperienced player.
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Nevin
If this is favorited, RTSFirebat's money sink NPC beautician thing should be too.... Its ancient and has like 300-400 sign's in it.
Gregslot
Very interesting idea.
I could have said more but i usually choose carfully my words.
So if i said its a very interesting idea, it is because it is a VERY INTERESTING idea (capslock might help you get the picture)
My own ideas that could help:
*Allow pve-only skills
*Increase npcs level
*Increase the number of npcs
*Add some HB, HA maps and Fort Aspenwood & Jade Quarry.
*Unlock all these features with money sink and/or balthazar faction and/or luxon/kurzick faction (guild players could add faction to their GuildHall and leader could unlock these features, money can be tranfered player-to-player)
I could have said more but i usually choose carfully my words.
So if i said its a very interesting idea, it is because it is a VERY INTERESTING idea (capslock might help you get the picture)
My own ideas that could help:
*Allow pve-only skills
*Increase npcs level
*Increase the number of npcs
*Add some HB, HA maps and Fort Aspenwood & Jade Quarry.
*Unlock all these features with money sink and/or balthazar faction and/or luxon/kurzick faction (guild players could add faction to their GuildHall and leader could unlock these features, money can be tranfered player-to-player)
Horus Moonlight
/signed
It just seems so logical.
It just seems so logical.
ValaOfTheFens
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QFT, good players don't constantly run FOTM. If you're a decent player, and you know which skills in the game suck, you can pretty much succeed with almost any bar.
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the tim
/notsigned
Reasons:
-free guestage=alliance
-gvg on one map? maybe if you just scrimmage people and not do actual gvgs, and if you get bored you can go win halls, get a sigil, and buy a new hall.
-if you want different game types, go TA/AB/RA/Zashien Challenge or play WoW
-Custom rules is ok...but really impractical. If you are already with friends, just tell them they can only take core/prophecies/factions/nf skills/classes. We have PvP characters for a reason (auto lvl20). Party size....ur too lazy to click people and the "invite" button?
-The guild ladder is what sets GW apart from other games. Why get rid of it and turn into a sub-par WoW? If you don't like it, don't do rated GvGs.
-Arena maps in GvG would be too cramped...Archers from the other team would be in your lord room at the start of the match.
It's a good idea...if you wanna make GW WoW. There are plenty of PvP options to choose from, ranging from PvE towns to top play GvG ladder. The only addition that would really be entertaining, imo, would be a battle royal (think thats how its spelled ;p), where you just go into an arena with say...9 other people, all with the same skills, and the last one standing wins! That would be a nice way to relax and get some laughs at the same time
a note to all those wanting to get into pvp....just run iway or some simple build that needs no coordination wat so ever to win. and people will spam pvxwiki because most of the builds people repeatedly ask for are on there, and it is quite annoying to keep having people say in chat: "Will someone please help me with a build???" over and over because they are too lazy to type "/wiki" and click the link to pvxwiki. you may find a few people who are willing to help you, but they will not do all the work for you, you have to learn from experience and you won't get any unless you start thinking for youself.
Reasons:
-free guestage=alliance
-gvg on one map? maybe if you just scrimmage people and not do actual gvgs, and if you get bored you can go win halls, get a sigil, and buy a new hall.
-if you want different game types, go TA/AB/RA/Zashien Challenge or play WoW
-Custom rules is ok...but really impractical. If you are already with friends, just tell them they can only take core/prophecies/factions/nf skills/classes. We have PvP characters for a reason (auto lvl20). Party size....ur too lazy to click people and the "invite" button?
-The guild ladder is what sets GW apart from other games. Why get rid of it and turn into a sub-par WoW? If you don't like it, don't do rated GvGs.
-Arena maps in GvG would be too cramped...Archers from the other team would be in your lord room at the start of the match.
It's a good idea...if you wanna make GW WoW. There are plenty of PvP options to choose from, ranging from PvE towns to top play GvG ladder. The only addition that would really be entertaining, imo, would be a battle royal (think thats how its spelled ;p), where you just go into an arena with say...9 other people, all with the same skills, and the last one standing wins! That would be a nice way to relax and get some laughs at the same time
a note to all those wanting to get into pvp....just run iway or some simple build that needs no coordination wat so ever to win. and people will spam pvxwiki because most of the builds people repeatedly ask for are on there, and it is quite annoying to keep having people say in chat: "Will someone please help me with a build???" over and over because they are too lazy to type "/wiki" and click the link to pvxwiki. you may find a few people who are willing to help you, but they will not do all the work for you, you have to learn from experience and you won't get any unless you start thinking for youself.
DarkNecrid
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/notsigned
Reasons: -free guestage=alliance -gvg on one map? maybe if you just scrimmage people and not do actual gvgs, and if you get bored you can go win halls, get a sigil, and buy a new hall. -if you want different game types, go TA/AB/RA/Zashien Challenge or play WoW -Custom rules is ok...but really impractical. If you are already with friends, just tell them they can only take core/prophecies/factions/nf skills/classes. We have PvP characters for a reason (auto lvl20). Party size....ur too lazy to click people and the "invite" button? -The guild ladder is what sets GW apart from other games. Why get rid of it and turn into a sub-par WoW? If you don't like it, don't do rated GvGs. -Arena maps in GvG would be too cramped...Archers from the other team would be in your lord room at the start of the match. It's a good idea...if you wanna make GW WoW. There are plenty of PvP options to choose from, ranging from PvE towns to top play GvG ladder. The only addition that would really be entertaining, imo, would be a battle royal (think thats how its spelled ;p), where you just go into an arena with say...9 other people, all with the same skills, and the last one standing wins! That would be a nice way to relax and get some laughs at the same time - |
None of these suggestions even resemble WoW PvP wtf are you talking about, I think you just like throwing the word WoW around.
the tim
rofl. most of the OP's suggestions are already implemented in GW, you just have to press a few keys and click your mouse a few times, with the exception of the new map ideas. If they were larger it would be fun for scrimmages, but not in ladder/AT play. wasnt sure of if he ment it for just scrims or ladder as well
Alex the Great
/signed i guess
sort of
not gonna happen anyways
sort of
not gonna happen anyways
Orange Milk
I don't see how this would fix PvP.
I think the idea is sound, but all you've done is create the ability to practice. Practice is good, but I think FotM builds would explode onto the scene what with people being able to practice on a real relic map/HoH, instead of wrm ups on the island to test a spike.
Even with "custom" rules, when it comes time to do a REAL GvG and your guild/alliance/friends are used to "custom" rules they will fall flat. People that are MAINLY PvE may go for this, but will modt likly fail in real areans. It's a cool idea, but does not meet with the standard game play
Sigils were metioned before, they are a gold sink for guilds, being able to "practice" any map, I think is a good idea, but I think the gold sink needs to stay as well.
100g guest invite is a sinnk aswell, also it sort of forces PvPers to PvE some, it's an attempt to keep people involved in both sides of the game.
1v1 builds would not be viable builds in other PvP arenas, so why bother. Just a couple of Sins or 55's beating on one another with super uber leet PvE solo builds.
So guilds now practice thier HA builds prior to enterning, now they are better, the average HA PUG now gets massivly steam rolled, HA PUGing gets eliminated and more people complain that HA is a stupid place. HOWEVER, the good that could come of this is I could see Guilds sapmming HA "So and So Guild, recruiting HA players for practice squad, earn your way onto core team" So I guess lower ranked people could get into good HA guilds working their way up the prctice squad, as well as doing actull HA with the practice team. But who wants to practice against people who are really bad?
I dunno, there are some good things to the idea I'll say that, but I don't see where PvP improves from this idea for the "non-harcore" PvPer/PvEer.
/on the fence
I think the idea is sound, but all you've done is create the ability to practice. Practice is good, but I think FotM builds would explode onto the scene what with people being able to practice on a real relic map/HoH, instead of wrm ups on the island to test a spike.
Even with "custom" rules, when it comes time to do a REAL GvG and your guild/alliance/friends are used to "custom" rules they will fall flat. People that are MAINLY PvE may go for this, but will modt likly fail in real areans. It's a cool idea, but does not meet with the standard game play
Sigils were metioned before, they are a gold sink for guilds, being able to "practice" any map, I think is a good idea, but I think the gold sink needs to stay as well.
100g guest invite is a sinnk aswell, also it sort of forces PvPers to PvE some, it's an attempt to keep people involved in both sides of the game.
1v1 builds would not be viable builds in other PvP arenas, so why bother. Just a couple of Sins or 55's beating on one another with super uber leet PvE solo builds.
So guilds now practice thier HA builds prior to enterning, now they are better, the average HA PUG now gets massivly steam rolled, HA PUGing gets eliminated and more people complain that HA is a stupid place. HOWEVER, the good that could come of this is I could see Guilds sapmming HA "So and So Guild, recruiting HA players for practice squad, earn your way onto core team" So I guess lower ranked people could get into good HA guilds working their way up the prctice squad, as well as doing actull HA with the practice team. But who wants to practice against people who are really bad?
I dunno, there are some good things to the idea I'll say that, but I don't see where PvP improves from this idea for the "non-harcore" PvPer/PvEer.
/on the fence
ValaOfTheFens
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1v1 builds would not be viable builds in other PvP arenas, so why bother. Just a couple of Sins or 55's beating on one another with super uber leet PvE solo builds.
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Kanyatta
If you can get a "well-timed interrupt" on a 55 skill like Prot Spirit, you are t3h godsauce.
lacasner
More local tournaments and games can be held from this that Anet will never make (AT's are just inadaquete), so thats another reason why OP owns
xmancho1
I have 2 ideas ( again , im full of ideas these days 
) - So i really find the balthazar faction not fully useful and was think of making more useful and why not the pvp currency. What im meaning is that all players that pvp should earn new type victory points , and based on them there should be a pvp title which ranks up and down depending on how good ure doing ( points gained should be individual ) and when u reach certain rank u can unlock new weapon and armor model with the balthazar faction. This will make reward points useless.
My second idea is to merge RA and TA . I dont know why theres RA . Its really boring couse u dont know what players ull be grouped with and even ure good enough ull lose and wont gain anything ( this made me stop playing pvp a month ago ) and with the OP's suggestion the new arena type should have the variety of different type arena matches - 1 to 10 ppl per team would nice so u can participate in more massive battles , it can have even more different types of arenas - like free for all for 20 or more ppl ( so sweet to kill ppl around ) .
) - So i really find the balthazar faction not fully useful and was think of making more useful and why not the pvp currency. What im meaning is that all players that pvp should earn new type victory points , and based on them there should be a pvp title which ranks up and down depending on how good ure doing ( points gained should be individual ) and when u reach certain rank u can unlock new weapon and armor model with the balthazar faction. This will make reward points useless.My second idea is to merge RA and TA . I dont know why theres RA . Its really boring couse u dont know what players ull be grouped with and even ure good enough ull lose and wont gain anything ( this made me stop playing pvp a month ago ) and with the OP's suggestion the new arena type should have the variety of different type arena matches - 1 to 10 ppl per team would nice so u can participate in more massive battles , it can have even more different types of arenas - like free for all for 20 or more ppl ( so sweet to kill ppl around ) .
Bryant Again
This is actually something that would make the game MUCH better and I'd love GW a hell of a lot more. The current "casual" PvP is terribly lame.
newbie_of_doom
I can't believe you actually want to change the way of scrimmage, you just broke my caremeter...
xmancho1
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This is actually something that would make the game MUCH better and I'd love GW a hell of a lot more. The current "casual" PvP is terribly lame.
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Biostem
The problem is how to keep PvP interesting and fun, while still allowing a wide diversity of skills and build possibilities.
Frankly, unless everyone has the same skills, runes, hp, armor, energy, etc, it's just not possible to make PvP completely fair or balanced. Is that what you really want? It'd get pretty boring if that were so...
Frankly, unless everyone has the same skills, runes, hp, armor, energy, etc, it's just not possible to make PvP completely fair or balanced. Is that what you really want? It'd get pretty boring if that were so...
xmancho1
Its normal an old player to have options for more gear upgrades than the new one. Plus GW is the only mmo that is not gear based so generally this is not a major problem, the major problem is that starting the game with a pve character makes the game much more easier to understand the basic than starting with a pvp one .
PyrAnkh
/signed cause this idea would be awesome. Oh and make it possible to AB with set teams then
Cathode_Reborn
The whole idea looks very good.....this game needs way more options for pvp.
/signed.
Yes it is.....only decent options for a PvE player looking to PvP are AB/Aspenwood (Quarry doesn't count cause it's always dead). AB I find extremely dull....I hate shrines. The 4v4v4 thing also bothers me a little too - it'd be nice to choose other ways to team up. Aspenwood I still visit often, but can get boring when it's the only other option for "casual" pvp.
/signed.
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This is actually something that would make the game MUCH better and I'd love GW a hell of a lot more. The current "casual" PvP is terribly lame.
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xmancho1
What casuals need is more large scale pvp- like 10 men free for all arene or even 10 vs 10 . In arena where the teams are like 10 men or even more you have , you dont have that big role as in 4 vs 4 in RA
mystical nessAL
/signed
Everyone voted for signed, i cant see reasons why anet wont make it?
Everyone voted for signed, i cant see reasons why anet wont make it?
freaky naughty
Man this would bring back so many gw players who got bored and quit...
lutz
This idea is fine and all, but most of the features are pretty useless - if you wanted Nightfall-only skills, tell the people you're scrimming with to use Nightfall-only, or whatever.
The only thing missing from making Guild Wars a fun game is SEALED DECK. I would love RA-style Sealed Deck, or GvG-style Sealed Deck.
The only thing missing from making Guild Wars a fun game is SEALED DECK. I would love RA-style Sealed Deck, or GvG-style Sealed Deck.
Calaval
/Signed
The custom rules would be great for alliance and guild tournaments.
The custom rules would be great for alliance and guild tournaments.
wuzzman
/signed
I Tiyuri post, yet I see no fail......Great idea...This might actually SAVE guild wars
I Tiyuri post, yet I see no fail......Great idea...This might actually SAVE guild wars
Artorius.Maximus
/signed
Would be great to see, kind of hard to practice GvG when you have about 50% chance of playing on your own hall map in a real battle. I like the other stuff there too. Don't give the balthazar faction/experience for it to prevent from being abused and it is a reasonable idea. Would also be nice to set up for guilds that do the tournaments.
Was never really understanding of the 100g for guest invites, but I guess it makes sense for guilds that do a lot of GvG. Would be nice to see the free invite there though. Or even just have it so that people on your friends list have access to your GH.
Would be great to see, kind of hard to practice GvG when you have about 50% chance of playing on your own hall map in a real battle. I like the other stuff there too. Don't give the balthazar faction/experience for it to prevent from being abused and it is a reasonable idea. Would also be nice to set up for guilds that do the tournaments.
Was never really understanding of the 100g for guest invites, but I guess it makes sense for guilds that do a lot of GvG. Would be nice to see the free invite there though. Or even just have it so that people on your friends list have access to your GH.