bots in Shing Jea?

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by techiegal
Maybe the should only give out one free trial account per IP address.
they can't trade anyway

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
they can't trade anyway
I think they can drop stuff outside town though. So the botter 'master' account (which would be an ordinary fully-functioning account) would party with the bot (on the trial account) leave town then the bot would drop 100k and the bot master picks it up.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

You couldnt block 1 trial per IP address as people behind router's etc would have issues. But indeed there does need to be some house cleaning it appears

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
A week ago I've seen them, got interested and I actually investigated this case. I was really interested how those bots are making money and how efficient it was.

I followed them from creation to deletion and tried to do exactly what they do, and possibly do that even better. I found that the average one lives 17 minutes, and make less than 1,300 gold (I haven't put down the exact number, I think it was about 815g + 4 monastery credits)

They are all Elementalists choosing secondary Warrior, simply because it's fastest (shortest ways) and the quests are one of easiest to automate (use 1-2 skills or just stay there and henchies kill). The last thing they do is Choose Your Secondary Profession quest and putting gold and monastery credits into storage. Yes, they lose 50g per character to open Xunlai storage account, they don't trade them to another bot account, just put into storage. Then immediately create another character and repeat. None of them do A Formal Introduction despite this quest being very very simple and rewarding 150g.

So they make near 1,300g in 17 minutes, at this rate it's near 4,500g per hour. Sounds really pathetic (It's still possible to farm 10-15k per hour consistently), but done nonstop 24 hours is over 110k hard cash a day, not depending on selling anything to people and fully automated.

They should be very easy to spot for the ban, all of them.
yeah i dont think any of them actually make it to minister cho's estate. after 20min of sitting there i never saw a single one show up to continue on in game. so i guess the team that deals with the bots will have their work cut out seeing the bot probably doesnt live very long til its deleated and recreated,

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi
I think they can drop stuff outside town though. So the botter 'master' account (which would be an ordinary fully-functioning account) would party with the bot (on the trial account) leave town then the bot would drop 100k and the bot master picks it up.
neither

and if the idea of IP was implemented: proxy ftw

XiaoTheBlade

XiaoTheBlade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Southern England

Reign Of Shadows

P/W

Already /reported my fair share.

They keep rerolling with the same names.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

I don't get why ArenaNet never add things like limiting the creation of new character to one per ten minutes, or making impossible to auto-target the NPC next to the door.

The bots just exploit things easily to fix. Please make me a developer, I will add a rock in the middle of the way for block the bots and problem fixed, if botters reprogram bots, I change the rock and laugh all day!

payne

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vall Dan
This is your bot-watch traffic report...heavy congestion on I-10 Northbound into Sunqua Vale...motorists in the International District might want to find alternate routes to work this morning...
brilliant..keep it up!.just been...there were only like 3lvl2/3 eles there maybe just caught it as they were all-deleted and remade? dunno but very few eles there...*contemplates clapping A-Net, decides against it as the whole area re-floods*!

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
I don't get why ArenaNet never add things like limiting the creation of new character to one per ten minutes, or making impossible to auto-target the NPC next to the door.

The bots just exploit things easily to fix. Please make me a developer, I will add a rock in the middle of the way for block the bots and problem fixed, if botters reprogram bots, I change the rock and laugh all day!
lol always a good laugh...add a rock every few hours...or alter the existing rock = less bots ^^

creation limit ftw

Roo Ella

Roo Ella

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Australia

Oz

E/R

Yeah simple solution you can't Delete/Make a new char within say 30min.
But then they would have to change the "name holding" time as I think thats 30 min?
before the name is up for grabs for anyone and if you legitimately deleted it and remade it
for some reason you could still keep the name.

I didn't want to hang around there too long just in case I got caught up in this accidentally
and just to make sure I "was chatting in local chat" to others talking about this
but I have sent a few reports in.

Qwertyfied

Qwertyfied

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ireland

DVDF

E/

Just reported my limit too, i suppose only time will tell whether doing this daily will be effective, but Gaile's words are assuring.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Glad to see Gaile posting . But yeah it is a congo line almost like altrumm ruins during those months.

Hott Bill

Hott Bill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Shards of a Broken Crown

R/

They're farming Mantids, they drop Sanqua Blades, Amber, Mammoth Axes. Can be valuable.

Eviance

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

Ya know... I posted a bot thread once... It got locked rather quickly - Now I'm sad ;_;

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hott Bill
They're farming Mantids, they drop Sanqua Blades, Amber, Mammoth Axes. Can be valuable.
They're all lvl 2s and 3s they can't farm in HM yet, so the most probable suggestion is that they do newb quests to get easy money and monastery quests in a quick amount of time. I have a question though if each character is deleted can a bot create a new one with different characteristics than the old one or do they all use the same character design each time?

Hott Bill

Hott Bill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Shards of a Broken Crown

R/

Oh, I thought they were lv 20, my bad. Yea my guess is farming the main quests. Because they do have a fast payout. *Nerf time?*

Qwertyfied

Qwertyfied

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ireland

DVDF

E/

If i remember correctly, this occured with the first few quests in NF. They changed the gold reward system for that, i suppose they could do the same here, but would be harder, due to the large number of small quests.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Jesus, they're in hordes. Some of the people there bugged them by opening trade and submitting offers, there were like 5 at a time using ludo it's disgusting.

bulbaz0r

bulbaz0r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ghent, Belgium

Knight of Darkness Europe

Mo/

Been watching this for hours now.

1. Create.
2. Run 6 steps to the left
3. Target nearest Ally
4. Target Nearest Item (Tablet of Wisdom Attributes)
5. Cancel the action
6. Press P (Search)
7. Add henches
8. Autorun (Pressing forward twice)
9. Target second Party member and run towards it
10. After X seconds they target nearest item (Sunqua Vale)
11. Target nearest Ally (Ludo)
12. Take Quest
13. Target nearest Item (Sunqua Vale)
14. After X seconds, cancel it and autorun (Pressing Forward Twice)

Thank you, I feel very useful and I am making something out of my life. I ate a donut as diner.

Spoiling their run and laugh can be done by trading them. Sometimes.

Fidelity

Fidelity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Yeah they do tend to freeze sometimes if you trade them, but soon after will zone out. I added a lvl 2 ele to my party earlier who was running like a bot. Turned out to be a human

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

they all create their character, talk to the headmaster ,get reward , add mo,w,ele henchy talk to ludo and do the first quest for getting reward for having a henchman in your party

Harrier's haste

Harrier's haste

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

ViLE

R/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwertyfied
If i remember correctly, this occured with the first few quests in NF. They changed the gold reward system for that, i suppose they could do the same here, but would be harder, due to the large number of small quests.
Or they can link all these quest together, giving the "non-gold" rewards but only give the gold(added up) rewards at a certain point. And at that point it will be too unprofitable for the bots to go though to get the golds.(Like having the quests and a mission in the middle, or make the distance need to be traveled long...etc.)

*>*<*But as long as they are gold buyers, bots will never die.

jon0592

jon0592

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

I watched a full sequence and I mimicked one with my elementalist WHO IS LEVEL 20 and has OBSIDIAN yet someone still reported me

But yea I think they farming the henchmen quest. You should see Taya! She keeps turning left and right and 180 and 1080 and her chat box is going crazy

Dark-NighT

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

Just reported a bunch, been checking them out, its pathetic, but then again all bots are anyways.

Best way to end this i think is to give the new character 50 gold upon accepting the quest to enter the monastary, so he/she can purchase storage and drop money rewards from the first few quests, those really simple ones. Though honestly it is a bit harsh for the new players that just bought the game but since leveling in factions is so easy in general it shouldnt pose a problem.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jon0592
I watched a full sequence and I mimicked one with my elementalist WHO IS LEVEL 20 and has OBSIDIAN yet someone still reported me
That's sad. 1212

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulless Warhawk
they all create their character, talk to the headmaster ,get reward , add mo,w,ele henchy talk to ludo and do the first quest for getting reward for having a henchman in your party
i just did what we all suspect that they do, create character, do primary quests, get a secondary which appears to be warrior, do both quests, get rewards, cash in the 4 monistary credits for 4 scrolls, deposit in storage. total with the scrolls only about 1100 gold, got to level 5 in about 10-15min depending how efficent you are. rinse and repeat. looks like the bot population has deminished some today

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

If they are just getting quest reward, why all are eles?

I was thinking bots are just leveling up for farming in other place.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

*dusts hands*

Well, that's me, having reported 100 bots. (Two accounts. )

We'll include this in the weekly community summary, and I'll check the status with Support later in the week, too.

Thanks for your help and analyses, guys! Your observations and input are very valuable.

Gambit Shinobi

Gambit Shinobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Heroes Alliance

A/D

LOL, that was funny. Trading them does nothing. Heck, most of them are demo characters anyway so you can't even trade. Hope ANet stops this crap soon...

BlueSS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Finland

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
*dusts hands*

Well, that's me, having reported 100 bots. (Two accounts. )

We'll include this in the weekly community summary, and I'll check the status with Support later in the week, too.

Thanks for your help and analyses, guys! Your observations and input are very valuable.
I saw a level 20 ranger there with freezie crown, I guess that was you

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fidelity
Yeah they do tend to freeze sometimes if you trade them, but soon after will zone out. I added a lvl 2 ele to my party earlier who was running like a bot. Turned out to be a human
Usually bots have a random name like "wtf imabot" or "rprt pls"

Well actually i think they're more like "asf bvaoi" but anything's possible right?

EDIT: Just did my duly work and reported my 50 daily bots. Whose shift is it now?

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

Dont care about the bots really one way or another. Its Anerfs botphobia that is catching alot of you is what Im more worried about.

Roo Ella

Roo Ella

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Australia

Oz

E/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by jon0592
I watched a full sequence and I mimicked one with my elementalist WHO IS LEVEL 20 and has OBSIDIAN yet someone still reported me

But yea I think they farming the henchmen quest. You should see Taya! She keeps turning left and right and 180 and 1080 and her chat box is going crazy
Contact Suport asap and tell them you were trying to help them and this is the thanks you get?

Another reason I said in another post in this thread make sure you CHAT something anything in Local Caht so people know you are a human
and only there reporting bots or for a look at whats happening.

bulbaz0r

bulbaz0r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ghent, Belgium

Knight of Darkness Europe

Mo/

I even got into a party with one... after trying for two hours . (See screeny)

1 person was at the spawn place, he added bots to the party. I ran down with the bots and trade spammed em, and somebody was at Ludo to trade spam em. Suprisingly, the bot added us, before he added the hench. We ran outside and bodyblocked Ludo. Big fun!

Avai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by bulbaz0r
Suprisingly, the bot added us, before he added the hench. We ran outside and bodyblocked Ludo. Big fun!
This is hilarious.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueSS
I saw a level 20 ranger there with freezie crown, I guess that was you
Gaile never play rangers!

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
*dusts hands*

We'll include this in the weekly community summary, and I'll check the status with Support later in the week, too.
Oh dang, now some real players will be banned by ANet's overactive anti-bot team and some quests will be nerfed so that real players have a harder and less enjoyable time in the game.

Frankly I don't give a rat's tail about the bots and they are probably there because the polar bear has opened a market for their online gold.

Abonai Laguna

Abonai Laguna

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Isle of the Dead [CoC] GH

Company Of Corpses [CoC]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
*dusts hands*

Well, that's me, having reported 100 bots. (Two accounts. )

We'll include this in the weekly community summary, and I'll check the status with Support later in the week, too.

Thanks for your help and analyses, guys! Your observations and input are very valuable.
*off-top* First time I saw Gaile Gray post..
Anyways, Taya is having a rough time atm, shes turning around tooooons of times:O

yarddog

yarddog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Philadelphia-Go Eagles

Raptor Five [Five]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vall Dan
This is your bot-watch traffic report...heavy congestion on I-10 Northbound into Sunqua Vale...motorists in the International District might want to find alternate routes to work this morning...

i lol'ed in RL

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

I suggest sending in Gwen.

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
I suggest sending in Gwen.
Pre-searing Gwen would be the perfect "firewall"