Why are they Punishing Hardcore Players
Big_Daddy
But I thought the whole point of the game was to have fun... I know I do.
Jake_Steel
It's MMO alright, MODERATELY Multi-Player.
cosyfiep
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Originally Posted by tinygod
WHY? I mean whats the point, they have the same exact stats. How many of you arent wielding awesome looking weapons, when other weapons that look lame have the same stats? |
Guess my hand should be raised as well......the only green weapons I have are ones that dropped for me or my husband (and he then gave them to me)....I have never sold a weapon for more than 2k (got rid of some tombs stuff to a guy willing to buy anything)....and gold weapons, dont really care if its req 8, 9 or 12.....I also have quite a collection of COLLECTOR weapons that I still use because there arent any better ones in game (imo)...I have never bought a weapon from anyone other than the weapon crafter either.
I have been playing for more than 2 years as well, am married with a house, 2 cars, and old enough to have kids in college, et al.....not sure what you are getting so worked up about.....
either play the game or not, the rest of us dont seem to care any longer.
Operative 14
I have high end armors and relatively rare weapons, which are rare becuase they're not expensive and hence no one uses them. Ironic, ain't it? 
However, I buy these items becuase they match my characters and I like their look, not becuase I look forward to logging in everyday and having people complimenting me on my items.
Not to be rude, but if that's true why are you the only person I've ever seen come here to complain about this in the past year and a half?
However, I buy these items becuase they match my characters and I like their look, not becuase I look forward to logging in everyday and having people complimenting me on my items.
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Originally Posted by tinygod
But For those of us that want to be ELITE in an MMORPG, ( and NEWS FLASH) thats a good portion of the community guys, we DID get screwed.
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Originally Posted by tinygod
BUt if you are gonna sit here, and tell me that EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU, isnt on some lvl and eliteist. I will tell you that you are all liars. Please, that okay, which one of you isnt wearing Epic armor on atleast one character? WHY? I mean whats the point, they have the same exact stats. How many of you arent wielding awesome looking weapons, when other weapons that look lame have the same stats? its arguable that you want those thigns for you, cause they look cool to you, but in the end, how many of you arent secretly showing off, on some lvl, or wanting to hear COOL ARMOR from a noob. |
Also, the armour I get is armour I like to look at. I don't buy it just to see a noob say "COOL ARMOR".
Icey
The OP is very selfish and sounds more like he is more interested in farming and making money than enjoying to play the game.
Jake_Steel
P.S. The only special items I have are the Prophecies Game of the Year Edition items I can create for myself with /bonus and and the Bonus Mission Pack items, which of course I run the missions to collect...
Oh and I spent Wintersday making a complete set of CC Weapons and Shields.
Oh and I spent Wintersday making a complete set of CC Weapons and Shields.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by tinygod
Please, that okay, which one of you isnt wearing Epic armor on atleast one character?
WHY? I mean whats the point, they have the same exact stats. How many of you arent wielding awesome looking weapons, when other weapons that look lame have the same stats? |
I can't imagine why you would give a shit about what other people see on their screen, you can't understand why I'm not willing to do boring stuff to impress strangers on the internet.
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Jake_Steel
I will admit I got a huge thrill the other day when I got a sword drop (I don't pay attention to stats) that used the same skin as Prince Ruriks sword... I love that Olympic Torch sword.
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by tinygod
It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore. |
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so NO LIE. I tested it last week. 18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k. so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point? |
2. Yes, the storyline, the gameplay, and (later on) titles have been "the point" of GW from the beginning. Not slaving away trying to get an extra +1 damage on your criticals.
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| I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place. |
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| So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense. |
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| Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit. |
Summary of OP: "I think GW should be an <insert generic MMORPG that is based on grinding levels, armor, and weapons here> clone. I've played longer than those n00bs, why should they have gear as good as me?"
Get with the program, or go play a free MMO (or WoW) where you can grind your little tushy off.
Jessica The Mesmer
haha....well...really its just all relevant.....the games meh now anyways
Jake_Steel
The game can be great fun. Like anything else, it's all about what you make of it, or what you want it to be.
Blanche Neige
if you just don't like this game just because a casual player have access to ''elite'' stuff then, duh, stop playing and go to any monotonous grinding mmo if you like that kind of stuff, try mu online, it is the most boring game i have ever played in my life!
Kook~NBK~
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I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place.
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And no, high-end armor is NOT proof of elitism. Yes, there are those who have vanity issues and think that they've got to have that uber-rare, "must-have" weapon, mini-pet, and obsidian armor so they'll have something to brag about. But those people are relatively few and far between. And when they are encountered, they instantly lose any respect and all credibility - whatever else they have to say isn't worth the ink it's written with.
Swift Thief
People have been asking for inscriptions and tomes a lot before they were released. They do nothing bad.
Also, don't use the word hardcore. It makes no sense in video games.
Also, don't use the word hardcore. It makes no sense in video games.
Akuma
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Originally Posted by tinygod
It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore. And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me. so NO LIE. I tested it last week. 18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k. so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point? No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point. I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place. So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense. Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit. |
o ok
(the game is meant to cater to casual players)
moriz
GW is not a MMORPG. if you don't accept this fact, then you'll never be satisfied with GW.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Operative 14
if that's true why are you the only person I've ever seen come here to complain about this in the past year and a half?
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Killed u man
GW is dying, Everyone knows it, Anet knows it. The best way to make so quick 'last-sales' is buy making everything super-cheap and super-easy, so some person might get his friend to play GW aswell, cuz he doesn't have to grind 3 months to be somewhat decent. No, now you can tell your friend that in about 1 week he has EVERYTHING his heart desires in the game...
That's the life of a mmorpg man... Anet is a company, not a charity-institution, so not much U can do about it.
I know, I know, it's harsh, but hey, gues what, I'dd like to see it different myself, but it won't happen
(I skipped page 1/2/3 and just instantly replied to OP)
That's the life of a mmorpg man... Anet is a company, not a charity-institution, so not much U can do about it.
I know, I know, it's harsh, but hey, gues what, I'dd like to see it different myself, but it won't happen
(I skipped page 1/2/3 and just instantly replied to OP)
Jeremy Untouchable
2 moons is a pretty good grindy game.
bam23
I don't see any punishment to hardcore players. I see help for casual players.
Dante the Warlord
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Originally Posted by tinygod
It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore. And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me. so NO LIE. I tested it last week. 18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k. so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point? No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point. I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place. So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense. Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit. |
I D E L E T E D I
I can kinda see what you mean. The Econemy is at an all time low with nothing worth anything anymore, its easy to obtain everything. And well it did kinda piss me off at first but now i could give less a crap lol.
I worked for all the tings i have and i did it the hard way. I know what i had to do to get them nothing has changed at all for me.
But other people acctually seem to care more than me kinda funny lol
anyway the game is old and it wont come back to its former glory, item grinding is gone its all in the titles baby^^
I worked for all the tings i have and i did it the hard way. I know what i had to do to get them nothing has changed at all for me.
But other people acctually seem to care more than me kinda funny lol
anyway the game is old and it wont come back to its former glory, item grinding is gone its all in the titles baby^^
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Icey
The OP is very selfish and sounds more like he is more interested in farming and making money than enjoying to play the game.
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Gambit Shinobi
I love it when elitist morons post threads crying about how ANet nerfed their previous 1337ness. ANet didn't "punish" hardcore players, they made the game BETTER and more fun for casual players to get into. Guild Wars isn't a game that caters to "hardcore" players. But that doesn't mean the "hardcores" don't exist either. Because they do and are always farming for titles, rare minis, and/or weapons and armors.
mikethevike
Yeah I think the Hall of Monuments really is geared towards hardcore. Destroyer weapons are insanely priced, along with some minis. The titles monuments are also time consuming.
Saelis Scarfang
You are not hardcore enough. Sorry, but spiders have pretty much always been easy to get, even before Sorrow's Furnace.
You need to stop living under that rock. SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND!
You need to stop living under that rock. SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND!
Molock
"its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point"
That is where you are mistaken. Guild Wars is not like that
That is where you are mistaken. Guild Wars is not like that
bhavv
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Originally Posted by moriz
GW is not a MMORPG. if you don't accept this fact, then you'll never be satisfied with GW.
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I ended up in a huge argument in my AC a couple of days ago by stating that GW isnt an MMORPG, and is hardly an RPG either (Much more of an action game).
Not that theres nothing wrong with GW's gameplay, it is extremely action packed, and as a result maddeningly addictive and fun to play.
But if your looking for a 'traditional' RPG where high scaling leveling and equips are more your thing, GW isnt for you. WoW is better at RPG, GW is better at action and PVP.
Harrier's haste
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It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore. And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me. so NO LIE. I tested it last week. 18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k. so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point? No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point. I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place. So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense. Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit. |
First you need to realize not everyone IS a hardcore gamer and GW isn't made for hardcore gamers. It's for everyone.(yea I seen a 7 year old playing GW in RA once
But seriously, no one willing give a sht if you quit. OOOO my fell blade just dropped 50k!!! Well too bad, sell it or keep it, every weapon's price degrade over time. Not just your precious little fell blade.
Also, since Anet doesn't charge monthly fees, they got nothing to lose(unless you can somehow convert everyone around you to be "anti-GW") should you quit, and once you quit, U gotta find some other game to take up your life.
And a point worth noting, GW is a MMORPG based on pvp play, not pve play. Pve is just the spices that adds flavor, not the main dish.(Go look up how many skill updates are based on pvp play rather than pve and how many updates actually HAVE direct relevance on pve play)
Get a real life, not the virtual life
(just think of it as "farming for friends" 
Holly Herro
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I lol'd.
My cat pictures are elsewhere  So I'll post a reasonable comeback instead. Guild Wars was never intended as a grindfest MMORPG. There's enough of them on the market. It was always meant to be casual and easily accessible, with a focus on balance - look at the in-depth PvP aspect, the skill balancings, the skill-based game play, the easily obtainable max gear, elite skins having no advantage over regular stuff, et al. All your whining about is - lo and behold! - the game becoming more accessible to casual players. lolol Now, gtfo mi int3rnets nad take ur fail with u  |
Dwimmerlaik
Define "hardcore Guild Wars player." I think you're missing the difference between "hardcore" and "longtime." As an old player coming back, i think tomes are amazing - why waste time tracking down skills, (maybe) needing a group to cap an elite, when you can burn 4-20k on a tome? Nevermind if you're capped at the 1k mark for purchasing skills from a trainer - most/all normal tomes go for less than that now.
This thread is pretty pointless.
This thread is pretty pointless.
Craywulf
Lets do the math, There are more casual (average) players than hardcore (elite) players by a huge margin. But the casual gamers are becoming elite players without playing the amount of hours hardcore players usually do. Two reasons for that; 1) ArenaNet isn't making anymore campaigns for GW, so there's nothing for Elite players to acquire or achieve. 2) Casual players are slowly picking up the pace and are vast majority of GW players. This means that Arenanet focused appeasing casual gamers needs to sustain this franchise until GW2 comes out.
Bottomline is true hardcore elites are minority so you can scream all you want but ArenaNet isn't listening because the money trail is the Casual players.
If you are an Elite, then find new ways to challenge yourself, try hard mode, or a profession you've never done before. If you feel you've done everything in this game then don't feel frustrated, instead be happy you have played the game to it's fullest. I mean how many MMORPH have you finished from beginning to end?
Bottomline is true hardcore elites are minority so you can scream all you want but ArenaNet isn't listening because the money trail is the Casual players.
If you are an Elite, then find new ways to challenge yourself, try hard mode, or a profession you've never done before. If you feel you've done everything in this game then don't feel frustrated, instead be happy you have played the game to it's fullest. I mean how many MMORPH have you finished from beginning to end?
ManadartheHealer
While I did find the OP to be excessively whiny, it was nearing a valid point; players who are more invested in the game should have something to show for it. I myself am a more casual player, and I had no problem when idiot Wammos ran around with Fiery Dragon Swords like they were something special; I had my collector sword with the same (or better) stats. Sure it didn't look as nice, but it was just as good stat-wise, and that's all the casual player needs to be competitive.
Casual players don't need 75k armor...all they need is the regular old 7.5k. They don't need rare weapons...all they need are collector/craftable weapons.
Bottom line: everyone should have access to the "best" gear stat wise, and not everyone should have access to items, etc., that are "rare", because then they cease to be something worthwhile.
Casual players don't need 75k armor...all they need is the regular old 7.5k. They don't need rare weapons...all they need are collector/craftable weapons.
Bottom line: everyone should have access to the "best" gear stat wise, and not everyone should have access to items, etc., that are "rare", because then they cease to be something worthwhile.
maraxusofk
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Originally Posted by tinygod
It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore. . |
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by bam23
I don't see any punishment to hardcore players. I see help for casual players.
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Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by tinygod
It all started with Rune Traders.
For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about. Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months. |
So with armor, my FoW set isn't any better, stats-wise, than my buddy's necro's 1k Canthan armor. Doesn't bother me at all. When ecto prices dropped after I bought my set (actually after I bought 3/5 pieces of my derv's set and got the gloves) my reaction was "lol I should have waited. Oh well." I didn't whine because the guy I took getting HIS FoW armor bought it for cheaper than I did.
So huh... where did I get punished? I just spent more time playing to get my armor, not a big deal to me.
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so NO LIE. I tested it last week. 18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k. so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point? No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point. I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place. |
As for armor, people still work for them - you still have to gather 75k+crafting mats for 15k armor. Just that people have found ways to get money and are spreading them around, look at the farming builds today.
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So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense. Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit. |
cellardweller
The best way of being "Elite" in Guild Wars is directly between the chair and the keyboard.
mrmango
Farming is dumb, it's good they help players who don't want to do grinding.
vaxmor
OP is not hardk0re enough.
Come back with screenshots of dedicated Pandas, Island Guardians, Polar Bears, etc in your HoM. Then you can say that GW has punished you.
Until then, OP needs to harden up.
Come back with screenshots of dedicated Pandas, Island Guardians, Polar Bears, etc in your HoM. Then you can say that GW has punished you.
Until then, OP needs to harden up.