Lack of cooperation & Jerks

I use the cutscenes as bathroom breaks, etc. and other people should too instead of trying to tell someone new to the game to skip 'em

Now that remark sounds like the kind she's complaining about... intolerant.

All that takes a lot of time and energy which is needlessly wasted to do those things you are saying.

Yet Heroes and Henchmen can easily steamroll any normal area of any Guild Wars game and a spectacular full party of them can be made in 30 seconds with no complications and no taking any gambles. Therefore all the stuff you've mentioned is a waste of time to bother putting up with and counter-productive to using time wisely. No point wasting time grilling the party leader, or waiting for the party leader to grill random strangers in the party, or to fill the party with 7 good players (like that would ever happen - chances of 7 good players even being in one exact district of the same outpost together is slim at best, and most likely there never will be) --- when all that time-wasting, energy-wasting crap can be completely bypassed with Heroes/Hench and the resulting AI party is a million times more effective and less frustrating to boot.

Solution: play with henchmen. As soon as you reach LA warp to Eotn or kamadan and pick up some heroes

You paid for your copy of the game; enjoy it. I have; the amount of effort the Anet folks have put into creating a very beautiful and detailed world is worth taking the time to appreciate. Besides, then you can bask in the... greatness *cough* that is Rurik.

No reason for others who've been there before to dictate to you how to play the game. For many of us who've been around the game for awhile, some of the sense of awe and discovery may by lost, but that doesn't mean they should kill it for you, too.

Enjoy the cutscenes. I can't stress enough on it. Enjoy the cutscenes. Watch them unless there's a horde of minions whacking the team. I just came back to GW and I watch every single cutscene (then again, my henches don't complain) because I love it.

When you don't watch cutscenes and finish missions with your bladder bursting because you couldn't pull yourself away for a much needed break, your game experience becomes much less enjoyable than it would've been.

Watch the cutscenes, and you'll stay happier with the game, not jaded. I can't stress enough how sucky it is to be a monk and stare at health bars all day without enjoying the chat. The same goes for being a grindmonkey who can't stop for 30 seconds to enjoy the story or let others do so.

If you keep skipping the cutscenes you'll end up a grumpy old man like Master Knightfall over here.

I don't like the cutscenes. Never did, never will. Horrible voice acting, and from the beginning I found the storyline boring... they never appealed to me, except a few ones in EotN that are simply funny. Else, meh. I skip them, but I let other people watch them if they want, and just go AFK or something. And from the ones at the end of a mission, I usually F12+Enter those... nope, can't stand them in general.

Watch the cut-scenes! Enjoy them and don't worry about what some whiney little twit says about whether to skip them or not.

I've seen them all & I've seen jerks QQ when one person doesn't skip because they're new to the mission. I think it makes the person look stupid and selfish. Something I do when pugging to help avoid someone being the target of this nonsense is make sure I'm the last person to hit "skip," that way the abuse can't be targeted to one person.

I still watch cutscenes if I feel like it. The only exceptions are if im going for masters or someone else is going for masters in one of the faction timed missions, but if they dont say it beforehand its their own damn faukt if they have to wait through the first cutscene.

Rushin, they stop the timers for cutscenes now.

Pugs are dying for three reasons:

1. People like me don't want to play with people like you.

Politically correct reason #1: The pugs that are so full of themselves that they know what they are doing and making sure that everyone else knows it that they don't notice they've just aggroed 2-3 groups of red dots, causing a wipe. That's assuming that they didn't just go the wrong way from the start. They also don't look at their chat window or their map.

2. Heros make #1 so that it doesn't have to happen. You pick their skill bars, they have flags and most importantly, they come with aggro settings ranging from aggro away, stay here, and plz don't attack them.

3. It seems the only people that pug anymore are those that either; only only Prophecies (it happens), get bored and want to play with others (rare), or are too retarded to give their hero a working build (way too common).

That's what I've tried to do lately. Not going for any sort of achievements, just wandering random missions helping people. The idiots I just kick (or request group leader kick, and leave if they don't) and the remainder generally go their own way after the mission, and I sometimes meet nice people.

Keep in mind though, that I'm only doing it because of course I did all of the missions for most of my characters (and I don't help PUGs while bringing a new character through) so I'm not doing it with any expectation of progress or achievement and I am NOT advocating pickup groups. I join PUGs to mess around while bored - for actual progress. however, H/H is a must.

No they are dying because ppl like you make them impossible to play and NO FUN!

I'd rather play with 7 other people who don't know what they are doing but are willing to talk and try than one jackass who thinks he's General patton with a KB.

problem with that is the same jerk that would yell at him for not skipping will now demand that he be kicked from the party cause he's new. 9 times outta 10 the moron that does crap like that is a horrid player anyway, main reason I refuse to pug, if my guild or alliance don't wanna do something with me then I have heroes & hench.

this is the main reason why I don't pug anymore unless I really cannot proceed without help. this is also why heros are like the best thing ever and hundred times more effective then pugs.

that aside. keep quiet when you are playing, then no one will know what you are doing, and you can quietly watch your cut scene, no one need to know.

For players who don't want to watch cut scene, hench it. otherwise be tolerant/patient, and remember that you are also dependent on these other players to complete the mission, it is not you the "saviour" in the group, :P all 8 players (minus leecher and afk-ers) are as important as the next one. If you cannot be patient, don't go with human player. do it alone. and shut up already with the name calling .

There are good and bad pug, just hope for the former. Heros are a better alternative if you have access to NF or EotN but if playing with other human player is what you are looking for, then you probably got to put up with immature and impatient pug.

As for the cutscene issue, you don't have to own up that you are the one who didn't skip. There are 8 people in the party, if you don't say, they won't know

You sure is full of yourself mate. A hench monk is generally good for hmmm.... EVERY MISSION in the game. Glad I don't really need to tolerate rubbish like this.

Gone are the days of "GLF monk!" Hero monks do a better job then self-centered human monks.

Almost all group end after that particular missions done anyways so who cares about booting?

The type of people who can't follow instructions, either coming from me or from someone else, really annoy me. Nowadays, I don't PUG as much as I do, but still do for FoW/UW... weird since it's the areas I shouldn't PUG >_>. There's always someone who will take a quest when not ready, especially in UW - or people that will wand the Onis or still wield wands/staves around Sapping Nightmares in The Deep even though you've asked and stated why several times... yet they "don't get it" as someone said earlier. That kinda people annoy me to no end...

I agree...to an extent (it really depends on who's giving the orders and how stupid/ridiculous they are). It does irk when someone won't cooperate with the rest of the team and ends up overaggro'ing or ruining it for the rest. Your example of taking quests in the UW is a good one. You also mentioned The Deep. That is another area that requires a good team structure and cooperation. The necro that doesn't care which room you told him to go into and instead runs right into room #1 has just ruined the entire mission and the leader should have the team resign and kick the necro for wasting everyone's time.

On the other hand, I don't consider "Skip the cutscene, or else!!!!!" to be a valid command. If skipping a cutscene and ending a few minutes quicker is that important to you then don't pug. I've also run into micro manager leaders that are just plain idiots. I had the misfortune of encountering one at the Tahnnaki Temple mission. He asked my warrior to ping my bar. I pinged a competent axe build and he insisted that I switch to a sword build that he pinged back. I refused since I didn't have a sword and have never really developed my sword skills. He acted like a jerk. Insisting he was the boss and we needed to do what he said or else!! Fine. I left.

However I must say (and perhaps I've just been lucky) in my experience the newbies like the OP aren't the problem. Since they are new, they tend to follow instructions more easily than the "experienced" know-it-alls that think they are above listening to instructions.

I've led several trips into the FOW for clearing purposes. I've found that the best teams I've been with are the teams with 4-5 newbies that have never been in the FOW before. Since they don't know what to expect they listen when i suggest certain skills and they don't overaggro. They listen when I explain the next quest and the importance of not aggro'ing the Wailing Lord or not going near the griffins.

Guild Wars has one of the worst online communties I've ever met. To be honest, I can't figure out why.

Theoetically, games like WoW would have the worst playerbase, as it's the most popular, thus attracts more idiots.

Does the lack of a monthly fee affect that much?

Funny you say that...when I got my first set of FOW armor for my ranger, I went in with 5 teams that were "pros"--or so they said--and failed horribly. Then when my friend and I were about to give up, we pugged with 4 people who had never been before and had a great time. Best part was they were in awe of the armors my friend and I got, as they had never seen FOW armor before. It was a pretty cool experience.

I agree.
To the OP. Enjoy the game but be ready for such people. It is sad but many of the "better" players just don't pug anymore. Heroes have removed that requirement. Pay attention to the ones who are not related to Eric Cartman and try adding them to your friends list.
As your first time thru the game you must definately STOP TO SMELL THE ROSES!! GW is a very visually satisfying game imo. I sometimes forget how beautiful it is after 2 1/2 years but in the beginning I screenshotted all over the place.
Unfortunately there tends to be a sizable portion of .....malcontents in the game. Just because someone has been playing for a long time in no way actual makes them a good player unfortunately.
GL & HF and welcome to the wide world of Guild Wars.

My best experience was when i was leading a team on my ranger in hell precipice. It was my 2nd character going pass there and i believe most us in the team are new there.

Everyone of us worked together, and the team dynamics was awesome. We finished abaddon mouth, and moved on to hell precipice after that. My favourite pug experience in my entire 2yrs + of play

GW reveals the ultimate truth about people- they're jerks.
That's why people like henchies and heroes in GW.
Use them, they don't complain. And they're usually doing their best.

Wow... guess there's a lot of controversy about pugs... which before I started playing this game I thought a pug was a little dog with a flat face and a curly-cue tail.

Thanks to the nice folks who have pmed me. I think I'm getting a good list of friends together.

I've been on the internet for awhile, so the fact that there are jerks out there who hide behind anonymous names/accounts is nothing new. To clarify my position: I was shocked by bad behavior during missions because in order to accomplish a difficult mish or quest, you need your group to cooperate. Leadership, pulling people together and making them want to work together, is a skill that I wrongly expected more of. The people who are jerks and mouth off to their fellow teammates goes against the whole idea of "team work".

P.S. I'm a huge fan of henchmen. If I do a victory dance, they do it too and don't complain. I did all the Iron Horse Mine quests yesterday with henchmen and they were great. No one died, no one argued and we all had a great time killing bad guys.

Have you ever played Counterstrike?

Imagine, if you will, two online games. One is heavily focused on player versus player, one is more inclined to raids and PvE. One has no monthly fee and can be purchased in a store without a credit card, the other requires a credit card (or various other payment methods which are accessible generally only by people with jobs).

Now, imagine you are a greasy 13 year old kid with a severe acne problem, underdeveloped muscles, and severe social limitations. Every day of your life you go to school and are constantly reminded of these things by cruel people who will grow up to be wealthy managers treating their employees in effectively the same way.

Do you:

a) Attempt to better yourself through a rigorous program of personal hygeine, activity, and carefully managed social interaction

or

b) Pick up a competition-heavy video game, log in, and anonymously insult people who can not pants you or beat you up, which would assuredly happen if you behaved that way in person

Right. Now you understand a hefty part of the Guild Wars "community". Lucky you, this knowledge can also be translated to Halo, Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament and a whole host of other games where inferior people can briefly forget their own self-inflicted social ills and pretend for a few brief hours that they're actually an alpha male rather than the guy who normally winds up hanging by his underwear from the goalpost in gym class.

I have to agree the Guild Wars community can be rather unpleasant, this is what happened to me a few weeks ago and sufficed to say I am not going to attempt another PUG for hard mode ever again.

I was trying to do Rragnar's Menagerie on hard mode the last one dungeon I need to complete I might add. With few players online I usualy call upon I decided to start a team in Doomlore. After about 2 hours I had a party of 8 people only 1 of which was on my friends list the others where random people who needed the dungeon.

During the whole dungeon one of the rangers we had kept running off into mobs and getting killed over and over (even had obsidian armour) when we got to level 2 he left with no reason. He was still on-line but ignored me when I asked why he left. We soldiered on and got to level 3 and after we used a powerstone another one quit, again no reason. So down to 6 we could not finish it and a nice fat 5 hours down the drain.

I understand people might have real life stuff and that's fine it happens and HM session are in my view way too long anyway but they quit and kept playing the game and didn't offer a reason. Least with friends you can all agree how much time you need and stick to it unless something important needs tending to.

/end rant

Oh, come on. That one's easy to figure out. In World of Warcraft, you're bound to a server. This server is bound to, what is it, a few thousand people? And word spreads fast if you ninja, are abusive, spam and people know who you are eventually.

In Guild Wars, you can go to any server you want, have many different characters with ease and no one generally cares who others are. We don't run into them when we explore so it doesn't affect our gameplay.

There ARE idiots in WoW, but they're usually quickly named, shamed and shunned. In Guild Wars, they're just another name in the crowd.

In fact, I've even had a case of a guy completely deleting a character just to get rid of the reputation he was getting for abusing the people in his team, stealing from them and blaming every one else for his death. Then duelling people who disagreed with him, died to me, story begins, so on, so forth...

Long story short, the party didn't appreciate the way they were treated so no one really grouped with him again. If only that kind of thing happened in Guild Wars.

the only good cutscene is the one where the guy is all

prince rurik
prince rurik

cause its 1 sound byte played twice in every language.

oh and the one where general morgahn is all like U WUN REGRET DIS

and you're all

we'll see about that

Well, that still doesn't translate to why GW has a worse playerbase than WoW. Especially since on PvP servers in WoW, "pwning" is quite easy.

That's somewhat of an exaggeration. Ninjaing loot, and griefing in general, is a step above jerk on the asinine scale, and is somewhat unrelated.

I've had my share of people who don't listen to instructions and do whatever they want in both games.

I tend to see it more in Guild Wars, though. People are just far more anonymous in Guild Wars.

I PUG'ed a mission earlier when I was taking my Monk out and about for a walk. Picked up an R/E, then a Dervish. I brought my (Sab's build) Jagged MM, the Dervish her Zhed and Tahlk. We pinged skillbars, the Ranger was running Meteor and Phoenix. The Dervish and I said nothing. The mission went easily enough, with the Ranger taking a comparable amount of damage, possibly just unlucky.

We never moaned, nor called each other names. Just went straight in, being led by the Dervish, all doing our jobs. This is how a PUG should be.

If you want to watch a cinematic, it's your right. It's another person's privilage to request a skip, privilage's can always be denied

Yeah, that's the kinda direction/instructions that if people don't follow, you're screwed.

Another kind of jerks, related to the directions thing... is the people who ignore questions from players.

The Deep comes back to mind. 1243 (one monk, tank and nuker in each room, a monk and 2 necros in the last room) teams goes fine, everyone goes in their room, no necros sac... the monks don't need to carry rebirth. 444 teams require the necros to sac and the monks to rebirth THROUGH the portal (hence why you have 3 rooms with 4 people each), as the limit is 3 per room.

I used to do The Deep the 1243 way as the SS necromancer - I knew my room. After a while, groups started to run the 444 way and since my monk was Deep-ready, decided to monk the place. When I asked explanations on how 444 worked...

Me: "So huh... how does 444 work? Never done it before"
Tank #1: "Ok everyone ready?"
Tank #2: 1
Me: "Well what do I have to do?"
Ele #1: "GOGOGOGOGOG ALREADY!!11!"
Tank #1: *hits Enter button*
Me: *sigh* "... Can't I even get an explanation?"

In the mission:
Me: "Can someone ****ing explain this to me? I'm new to 444, I've told you already."
Necro #1: *sacs*
Me: "WTF..." *move to my room*
Team: "OMFG NOOB MONK" /resign

Back in the outpost:
Me: "CAN I GET A GOD-FREAKING EXPLANATION FROM ANYONE?!"
The tank has already hit the button. We're back in. I leave. Half of the group PMs me: "NOOB".

No freaking one could EVER give me an explanation. My guild leader and I were playing monks one day and we got tired: he PMed a dude and got his explanation after 10 minutes of no-replies and noob-calling. When he told me how to, via Vent, I could see him roll his eyes on how it ended up being -uber- easy: "Just rebirth the necro through the portal".

Oh. My. ****ing. God. NO ONE could answer that simple question, even if they know it? Lawl...

Jerks.

Today, when we PUG, we ask if people know how it works. Alliance monks and necros know the run. IT'S EASY! We seriously found it amazing that no one could reply to our question, but kept calling us "noobs" when we'd mess up, but wouldn't bother giving explanations anyways, even when asked...

Yeah, that gets on my nerves too. If I want a nuker, I know more than one build that works - I'll offer suggestion, but if we're in an area where we need to keep aggro away from the backline (Urgoz/Deep anyone?) and if the nuker has Firestorm, if he doesn't switch it he'll be kicked. Common sense... FS = aggro scatter. Aggro scatter: very, very bad for the backline in elite areas.

However, if the nuker has a dual attune build that effective, even though it's not the exact same build one's running... fine by me really o.o. So I wind up with a renewal nuker, dual attune and another one is a tripe echo MS. They're all effective, and I'm not about to kick them because the necro wants them to run SF nukers... I'll just end up kicking the necro.

Some are indeed willing to listen. I had my husband in a FoW run, the guy is one of those casual players. Didn't know anything about it (heh GW isn't something we usually talk about in general x]). He was on a b/p, I told him roughly his job and he did wonderfully well.

But since I started to PUG UW and FoW again, I've come to the following conclusion: there has to be a jerk in every group. There has to be. A backliner is always up front, someone takes a quest they shouldn't have taken, and the monks are always noobs even though the tank over-aggroed massively with one caster following him closely, thus the melees reached the backline and killed one.

Heroes are ftw. All you need is one or two good friends who enjoy hero maxing then just do a 2-3 player and all hero team. Heroes are the solution to dealing with jerks that PuG, that and the kick button.

I wouldn't know about that since in my brief time on WoW I stuck to RP servers. What I do know, however, is that, at one point, a whole slew of PvP servers went down and the RP servers were inundated all of a sudden with a ton of skivvy-wearing level 1 characters shouting about naked parties, cursing, slinging racist taunts about, and generally acting like small children.

You should have went online and found out how 444 worked before ever joining or staying in a 444 group. The only one to blame here is you. Most people don't want to spend their ingame time explaining how something works that you could have found on the net yourself. Everyone seems to think their time and what they want to do is more valueable that's for sure. Like the idiots who watch cutscenes when they were told not to. Those that take quests and missions that were told not to. Those that blindly go into an elite area and come in knowing nothing about it or the many ways it can be played. I never ask anyone ingame "how do I do this or where is this" I go on the net usually the wiki and find the answers myself. That shows a smart individual player not some whiney brat who wants everyone to stop what they are doing and cater to him/her needs and wants.

We checked Wiki, nothing. We checked Guru, nothing. We checked Google, nothing. We spent a good couple hours searching the net for help, nothing. We gave up on doing 444, went back to 1243, and then finally got the explanation.

At least I asked a question. That shows I'm interested in learning the place, no? I wasn't asking for EVERYONE to teach me my whole job, I know hot to monk. When people ask me questions, I tend to reply. "Is there anything specific I need to take?" I get that kinda question often. "Want me to run something else? Is this build suited for the area? Is there going to be mainly casters or melee?" It doesn't take 20 minutes to explain. If it has, you bet I'll have read it or learned it the hard way.

In The Deep example, we seriously couldn't find the information, as back then it wasn't written anywhere. Maybe it is today, I don't know... I don't need the information anymore.

So can you blame me for asking a question that takes 10 seconds to type when the info wasn't anywhere?

About cutscenes, if they wanna watch it, fine. But in general, I tend to follow majority - I hate the cutscenes, but if most wanna watch it, eh... s'fine by me, I'll go give my husband a hug. If one warns us that he wants to watch, fine by me either. Maybe I take for granted that I've finished the game on my main characters, and think it's the same for everyone. I've beaten the game with my husband, hell he was skipping faster than I was lol... and he only has it beaten once. Not everyone is the same.

I'm surprised you can find anyone to group with ingame. You've been acting like a spoiled brat in this thread for 2 days now. In case you haven't noticed, nobody is agreeing with you.

Why should he have to look up 444 ahead of time? Was he supposed to read the leaders mind and determine that he was running an unknown tactic before he joined? There is nothing wrong with asking the leader a question and if you are too full of yourself to answer then you need to stick with single player games or just H/H teams.

You said you group with others to help them. It doesn't sound to me like you are helping anyone. If your idea of "helping" people is to abuse and degrade them thru out the mission then we're much better off without your help.

Honestly, I don't understand you. Your posts used to be very polite, but for the past 2 days you've done nothing but flame and troll this thread. Oh well, I guess the ignore option was a good suggestion.

This is where I stopped taking you seriously