Lack of cooperation & Jerks

Or the group instead of being collosal tools and rectal breach births could have told him and they would have had a decent run. Ego maniacs like this have no place in a decent community game.

Ummm I agree with him and basically use the same policies. Everyone doesn't play your carebear type of game and the only brat I see here is you in your name calling like some 8 year old in the 2nd grade. I see what he's saying and I agree, if I am the leader then I expect full cooperation out of those that group with me. He's not saying or doing anything out of the ordinary of those that play this way. Hardly trolling, the only troll I see would be those that oppose his opinion as he has a right to it and a right to play the game as he feels as well.

I love threads like this because they're so good at exposing the people who aren't worth listening to all at once.

Seriously, people. Don't respond to the trolls and immatures. Use ignore. Just click the name, then view public profile, "Add to ignore list", and then confirm it. After a few days of being dedicated to eliminating the chaff from your screen, you'll be surprised how much more civil and intelligent this forum can actually be.

Thank you for letting us all know the value of the ignore list. It's quite useful

If I PUG, I do let people know what they/we need to do if I'm planning on doing it a specific way (that is, if I'm leader, I'm generally not), or if it's a particularly long winded process. It takes longer to clean up a mess in a mission than it takes to explain beforehand.

Yes, I do get exasperated when I've been trying to do this one tiny bit continusly for far too long. Even then though I do not resort to name calling and try to explain why I need the warrior to run with crippling or a knock-down.

Kusandaa what happened in the Deep to you, with the 444, is an example of people I can't stand. If someone doesn't know something they're not a 'noob', they probably just haven't ecountered it before, or haven't been able to find any information on it.

I find my PUG'ing experiences go quite well. My father on the otherhand seems to be an idiot magnet. Must all be about luck.

Ctb isn't really dictating as such, more letting people know how to use the ignore list as he feels there's too much knee-jerking in the responses of this thread.

This is all called a PUG - and 95% of the time they are exactly what everyone is complaining about. Find yourself a good guild. The people you game with make or break a game and myself I refuse to game within a PUG anymore. Start a good friends list if you don't have a guild.

I dont use ignore on forums. Especially here. Everyone has a bad day and says something silly once and a while. Also, were I to ignore everyone with whom I have disagreed on this forum on one topic or the other, over the years, it would be a quiet place.

The difference, master knightfall, is that while Ctb suggests, you more....demand. In a fairly irritatingly smug and faux-superior fashion, to boot.

It's a fairly important difference, given that guildwars (unlike 'the military', which you needlessly mentioned for some reason) is an entirely voluntary experience.

In the military, you can order your subordinates around or they face court martial or worse. So 'demands' work.

In GW...oh look: people have umpteen ways to ignore you, and are never, ever under any compulsion to do what you demand. The VERY worst you can do is....kick them. If you're leader. And you can't do this during a cutscene anyway (which is ironic).

Thus (and this may be a useful take-home message), you'll find that in guildwars you can "get your own way" far, far more often if you suggest things, rather than "demand them angrily and then call people n00bs". The latter will simply annoy people, and then they'll actively go out of their way to irritate you further. The former is helpful, and EVERYBODY wins.

It's not rocket science.

Very true Lord Feathers, but, it is a shame one can't enjoy PUGS anymore because people won't listen to the experienced veterans or those trying to help them. It never ceases to amaze me the jerks who think if they join YOUR party they have right to do anything they please or go against your party rules. I mean if you goto someones house for a party do you start dictating how it should be run? I don't know of anyone who does that and they certainly don't do it when they come to my house or my parties. It's just that ingame the children can get away with whatever they want (just like they mouth off online in forums) because there can be no retaliations. Ingame I can boot them of course or leave the group and that is my choice and my options and I use them. If I'm not party leader then I don't care what they do. But, as party leader I expect total cooperation and to be listened to and obeyed.

Party Leader /=/ Master and Commander

Party Leader = First person in the Group list.

Until some people get this through the mass of fecal matter clogging their brains then PUG's will remain as safe as dinner a Hannibal Lechter's home.


I do however agree that if you pay for a "run" you should do what the runner says since you aren't PUGging anymore but paying for transport though an area or mission.

Thank you Jake exactly what I've been saying all along.

QFT, I generally lead the group regardless of where I am on the group list unless I feel lazy and want to let someone else do the thinking.

I tend to hand leadership over to someone who know's what they're doing, or seems like the leader type. If it turns out they're an elected dictator, well that kind of sucks. If they're an arse about something, or use particular langauge I find offensive, I'll leave. Quite simple, but I enjoy PUG's when I get the oppurtunity to be in one.

<hands tissue>

But seriously, every game has jerkwads that act like your obselete if your not wearing fow armor. Not everyone is like that. Granted, the ratio jerks to nice guys is probably 100:1, but you'll find them eventually.

IGN: Thor Hammerbane

I'll make a nice guy move. If you need help with missions, questing, or just knowledge about the game, feel free to message me.

How ironic that the same person who said this, in the same post also said:

Wow!!!

Guess what this whiney brat will do each and every time I am TOLD not to watch a cutscene.

I don't listen to people who act childish in games. All I do is /ignore and move forward.

I never demanded from people to skip through cutscenes; it's plain rude to insist on it. Back when I still "PUG'ed", I would wait till each and every other of the group selected to skip a cutscene I had seen allready aswell, before selecting it myself, just so the one that hasn't wouldn't feel pressured into skipping what he/she is entitled to see aswell.
In fact, if I know another on the team never saw the cutscene, I wouldn't even select "skip" if he/she does, because I can't accept that kind of favor.

If you're in Aust we might be able to play together if you're on at night. I'm in Singapore.

PM me and I'll help you if I'm not accompanying my buddy in his GWEN stuff (or in the middle of some mission)

same my char names are on the left

I rarely post anymore, but for some reason I felt compelled to respond to your thread. From what I can discern, you are the exact kind of person that this game needs. Unfortunately, Guild Wars is nearing the end of its life cycle, but there is GW2 on the horizon.

Back on topic. In agreement with what a previous poster said, the Skip option is no longer an option but a requirement. Don't worry about those people who simply must skip or are terrible in a coordinated group. (PUGs, pick up groups, if you didn't already know) They are the reason why I rarely play in non guild or hero/hench groups outside of HA anymore.

You sound like a sensible player, and someone who wouldn't rage or anything silly like that. I remember first starting GW almost exactly two years ago. It was my first MMO (Or however you want to classify it, sue me) outside of a certain Java based game. I know the feeling of being "there" for the first time. Savor those moments, because they come less and less as I'm sure you know.

I guess I'm beginning to ramble on huh? Point of post: don't let the random PUG kill your fervor for the game, and just ignore them if you come across one. Good luck as you continue playing.

if theres more than one person in your group, just watch it, and dont say anything about it. And if they do know your watching it, they cant really do much about it besides throw on the cap locks.

In general, if my guild leader and I are in a mostly alliance group, one of us is the leader. My friends know that him and I aren't gonna take crap from anyone; impatient people are booted, and people who can't have decent builds are kicked as well.

But sometimes, you only discover personalities as you play with them. I recall this run we had in FoW, 6/8 alliance, we decided to take it smooth just for the hell of it, crack jokes on vent... leisure run, what. We take 2 PUGs, one being a nuker, the other was SS IIRC, and after checking builds to make sure everything was good, we head in.

5 minutes after, the nuker starts complaining. "Go faster." "You guys are slow." "By now I'm at first tower, go faster!" "I go faster with my 3-man build, ffs. Go faster already!"

We replied that we were bored and just doing this for fun with no intention of doing a speed run, and that if he was getting tired of us, that he should leave. But he kept complaining and complaining... "Ugh by now we should be at forge, OMFG YOU GUS ARE SLOW!" "You're a freaking alliance run, you should go faster!!!"

Alliance response? Monks stopped healing him, he died and left on the spot. We finished the run. This is the type of people that, frankly, are better off our teams than complaining all the time because we don't "meet their standards" (and we'd have if 6/8 of the team didn't feel like rushing around). He admitted having a lot of time, but felt like a speed run.

And yet, in the outpost he was a very patient and polite guy - which is why we took him.

One would say we're jerks for stopping to heal him, but trying to force your group in doing stuff they don't want when they clearly have the choice of either dealing with it or leaving, IMHO is being a jerk as well.

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Oh.. so that's why I was reading and wondering where Master Knightfall's posts went.

My absolute favourite time to watch cutscenes, though, is when minions run wild. I know it pisses other people off, so I don't do it with PUGs obviously, but it's nice to laugh when Master Togo's giving a serious speech while a bone minion smacks him from behind.

Watch them, if some one gets annoyed and it's the 2 of you, you start being a jerk to him even though you both know you did it

And if it's more than 2 people, blame it on the quiet person, or the afker.

The game is rated T for Teen. 12-16 year old Naruto lovers and kids who have nothing to do after school or on weekends but play their characters to leetness.

As said before, join a friendly PvE guild and get Nightfall/EotN for heroes. "PUG" is a derogatory name in GW for a reason.

Ultimately the cutscenes are a part of the mission and are there for you to watch if you choose to do so. You paid for them afte all. I think it would be a good idea for you to tell people up front that you intend to watch the cutscenes just as it would only be fair in other situations (where play time is limited perhaps) to request that they be skipped. You can avoid alot of problems by establishing expectations before you start the mission. As regards to offensive palyers....there are more than a few but not as many as it sometimes seems. Remember that by making alot of noise a minority of players grab more attention (and are more memorable) than their numbers justify. Many people here have already suggested finding a good PVE Guild. I second (or thirtysecond) that suggestion but do not suggest giving up on PUGs all together. There are alot of very nice people and good players out there. Dont deprive yourself of the opportunity to make friends. This is a social experience as well as a game, Enjoy it.

Ashen