was just thinking the other day, no one ingame seems to have any real theories on who built the Eye of the North, other than "it wasn't us". So what's your theory? Who built it? Was it the Forgotten? The Seers? The Gods themselves?
Sorry if I'm missing some really obvious explanation somewhere but I looked around a bit and couldn't find any answer.
Who built the Eye?
Shadowmere
Sirius-NZ
An ancient, forgotten civilisation.
The Forgotten? Maybe. It would make some sense. It could have been one of their contemporaries though - perhaps a race we remember nothing about. (If there were such things, but the dragons weren't documented either.)
The Forgotten? Maybe. It would make some sense. It could have been one of their contemporaries though - perhaps a race we remember nothing about. (If there were such things, but the dragons weren't documented either.)
Guildmaster Cain
Maybe its from a time before the gods. Basically, the Forgotten dont have a very ancient civilisation.
It could also be draconians, which we will see in GW2.
It could also be draconians, which we will see in GW2.
-Old 3FL-
I'd guess maybe either the gods, or an ancient/extinct race.
mazey vorstagg
the Draconian didn't exist before GW2, they are mutated Corsairs by the Undead Dragon or Orr.
Numa Pompilius
I'm guessing a dragon or possibly the Mursaat - they're the only ones which make shiny structures in Guild Wars. And the Mursaat generally make things purple. So my guess is on a dragon.
Here's another thing to ponder: Who built the ruins the Asura live in now?
Go to Vlox's Falls, and see the drawing of the warrior and the dragon that's plastered everywhere.
Here's another thing to ponder: Who built the ruins the Asura live in now?
Go to Vlox's Falls, and see the drawing of the warrior and the dragon that's plastered everywhere.
Eldin
My first theory is the Gods themselves. I personally don't know any other explanation for how the tapestries and scrying pool work - it would require some divine enchantment, or at least the magics of some other powerful race, for it to be capable of reading peoples' skills.
...or ANet can play the lazy card and say "the players set up the tapestries".
I think maybe the Mursaat as well, since, as Numa said, they DO build shiny things. Also, though, Gaile said the Mursaat will have some role in GW2 - perhaps the Mursaat and the EotN will be tied in for this purpose?
Also, how is it kept warm? Go to the Eye of the North ingame (the outpost, not the HoM) and look up. You may need to back up a bit, but that's a giant brazier.
I don't know how they get up there to light it either, or how all the big open spaces still protect the flame from the chilling winds.
HAX!
...or ANet can play the lazy card and say "the players set up the tapestries".
I think maybe the Mursaat as well, since, as Numa said, they DO build shiny things. Also, though, Gaile said the Mursaat will have some role in GW2 - perhaps the Mursaat and the EotN will be tied in for this purpose?
Also, how is it kept warm? Go to the Eye of the North ingame (the outpost, not the HoM) and look up. You may need to back up a bit, but that's a giant brazier.
I don't know how they get up there to light it either, or how all the big open spaces still protect the flame from the chilling winds.
HAX!
Tyla
The Forgotten, imo.
Who assisted you with ascension in Prophecies? The Forgotten. (Aswell as Turai Ossa, but i bet he was working with them
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Who assisted you in NF through the realm of torment? The Forgotten.
Who assisted you with ascension in Prophecies? The Forgotten. (Aswell as Turai Ossa, but i bet he was working with them
)Who assisted you in NF through the realm of torment? The Forgotten.
Etta
My God! Have you lot learn nothing? When stuff like this happen in any RPG world.
A wizard did it!
A wizard did it!
Neriandal Freit
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I personally would lean towards the Gods. It was likely used in the original capturing and sleep of the Dragons and may be once again.
Accursed
I'd say an extinct race built it A LONG time ago.
they build Eye of the North to 'watch' the God's every move.
the god's got scared and demolished the whole race and they some how forgot about the tower.
they build Eye of the North to 'watch' the God's every move.
the god's got scared and demolished the whole race and they some how forgot about the tower.
Damus
Whoever built those huge statues in the deserts of elona and all that stuff--basically, the Forgotten.
super strokey
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Whoever built those huge statues in the deserts of elona and all that stuff--basically, the Forgotten.
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BenjZee
lol i wanna know how they built it, how did they get up that high aswell. must of been hard. how did they build half of the stuff in the game...magic is obvious answer. how do you build a res shrine?...lifes mysteries funny how alot of people in the game dont have houses especially the main player. How where they born, no parents and all. Born as an adult aswell
funny how alot of people in the game dont have houses especially the main player. How where they born, no parents and all. Born as an adult aswell
Hyper Cutter
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Whoever built those huge statues in the deserts of elona and all that stuff--basically, the Forgotten.
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I don't see why the people who tried to settle the desert (all of whom were just struggling to stay alive, apparently) wasted their time building giant statues either...
Konig Des Todes
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lol i wanna know how they built it, how did they get up that high aswell. must of been hard. how did they build half of the stuff in the game...magic is obvious answer. how do you build a res shrine?...lifes mysteries
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Back to the topic, my guess would be that the Seer's race build it. I would disagree with it being built by the forgotten seeing how forgotten were in the desert(s) area*notice that the realm of torment's main connection to the world of Tyria is at the Desolation*. I also say that the mursaat couldnt of made it because they live(d) in the Tarnished Coast/Magumma Jungle area and their buildings are all purplish. A support for the Seer's race building it could be that the Seer is first met in the shiverpeaks(yes southern, not far, but still the shiverpeaks). If it wasnt the Seer's race that build this then my only guess could be another extint race we don't know about or the Gods themselves.
Syco Masato
I think it was the Seer's race as well, mostly because you never ever hear of them again after Proph (I think? O.O) And, just like Azazel said, you meet them in the Shivs, sooo theres my two cents.
Neo Atomisk
I'm fairly sure anet has stated the mursaat built it.
But with no further evidence, whoever made rata sum. which leads to the mursaat xD
But with no further evidence, whoever made rata sum. which leads to the mursaat xD
Craywulf
The forgotten seem like the logical culprits. This has got me thinking, how many current races/factions are there in Guild Wars?
Konig Des Todes
Races? A lot. If you want to go with just sentient and semi-sentient races, then you can list it to around 20 or less.
Humans
Charr
Grawl
Dwarves
Tengu
Centaurs
Forgotten
Giants/Yeties/Jotun
Mursaat
Seers
Naga
Dredge
Harpies
Hekets
Norn
Asura
Soon to add Sylvari
This list does not add "off-shoot" races such as Titans, Druids, Afflicted, Wardens, and Undead.
And I'm sure I'm missing some.
I still go with Seers building the Eye of the North. The oldest races known are:
Seers
Mursaat
Forgotten
Charr
Dwarves
And we have seen all of their architecture except the Seers. So it rather fits (especially since it seems the Shiverpeaks was one of the places the Seers resided, at least for a while).
.... Source? I don't recall anyone saying the Mursaat built anything in EN. At least no ANet staff. Rata Sum, while being an... whatever it's called (brain fart ftl), does not lead to the Mursaat. It was more of a joke or coincidence imo (or furthering the whole Mursaat Rally along with the Lazarus quest chain).
If you want to say something like that, you need to find the source and link it. ^^
Humans
Charr
Grawl
Dwarves
Tengu
Centaurs
Forgotten
Giants/Yeties/Jotun
Mursaat
Seers
Naga
Dredge
Harpies
Hekets
Norn
Asura
Soon to add Sylvari
This list does not add "off-shoot" races such as Titans, Druids, Afflicted, Wardens, and Undead.
And I'm sure I'm missing some.
I still go with Seers building the Eye of the North. The oldest races known are:
Seers
Mursaat
Forgotten
Charr
Dwarves
And we have seen all of their architecture except the Seers. So it rather fits (especially since it seems the Shiverpeaks was one of the places the Seers resided, at least for a while).
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If you want to say something like that, you need to find the source and link it. ^^
The 8th
I'd really shoot (hope) for it being somehow tied to the seers. The only things we know about them is that they're old, and they hate the Mursaat (and that they look eerily like Protoss, but that's a little off topic), which leaves a lot of wonderful questions open; like why they hate the Mursaat, are they working for somebody else, do they have some sinister unknown motive, are they somehow related to the Ancient Dragons, and will this sentence ever end? I would be quite upset if all we ever saw of the Seers was there short and almost pointless intervention while we where wandering. around the Shiverpeaks.
Konig Des Todes
While I myself would love for more information on the Seers, I think many of those questions you said, 8th, is a case of pointless suspicions.
Working for someone... does an entire race have to work for someone?
Do they have a sinister unknown motive... is there support for such an aquasation? While the Mursaat have been proven to be not the lesser of two evils like it was thought, but in fact the lesser of two goods (proved by the Flameseekers Prophecies mission book - Abaddon's Mouth mainly), that doesn't mean the Seers are evil.
Relation to the Ancient Dragons... as far as we know, there is nothing that relates to the Ancient Dragons other then what is said in the Movement of the World and possibly the Giganticus Lupicus.
And all sentences end.
Working for someone... does an entire race have to work for someone?
Do they have a sinister unknown motive... is there support for such an aquasation? While the Mursaat have been proven to be not the lesser of two evils like it was thought, but in fact the lesser of two goods (proved by the Flameseekers Prophecies mission book - Abaddon's Mouth mainly), that doesn't mean the Seers are evil.
Relation to the Ancient Dragons... as far as we know, there is nothing that relates to the Ancient Dragons other then what is said in the Movement of the World and possibly the Giganticus Lupicus.
And all sentences end.
Dmitri3
Hm, well, the Eye (outpost) is full of eagle heads... everywhere you look, there's an eagle motif. Eagle vs Dragon is pretty popular culture, so I doubt it's dragons that built it. Also, "Eye" can pretty much mean the renowned vision of eagles and "North", well, it's already pretty obvious now.
Now, is there some Eagle race in GW or at least anyone that worships eagle (maybe in the way Norn do)? I guess it'll just stay rumors till GW2.
Now, is there some Eagle race in GW or at least anyone that worships eagle (maybe in the way Norn do)? I guess it'll just stay rumors till GW2.
Free Runner
We know it wasnt the Norn, Asura or Humans. The Charr dont seem to have been the ones who made it ether. Ogden also says that it was not a dwarven structure. I doubt the Tengu made it so that takes them out.
The hero states that it was put there by something much more powerful than men - the Forgotten are not exactly powerful, they were just caretakers. And looking at it, the eye really doesnt look like something built by the forgotten.
So that leaves the Mursaat and Seers - we have no idea on their origins, only that the Seers once tried to destroy the Mursaat. We dont know the full power of ether race - the Seers only share their knowledge of infusion and the Mursaat only display an ability which doesnt appear to be strictly Mursaat. None of them display the ability of Visions ether despite the name.
So yeah the Seers and Mursaat are the best (and only logical) suspects. There is also the possiblity that it was placed there by the gods or something we have yet to hear about.
The hero states that it was put there by something much more powerful than men - the Forgotten are not exactly powerful, they were just caretakers. And looking at it, the eye really doesnt look like something built by the forgotten.
So that leaves the Mursaat and Seers - we have no idea on their origins, only that the Seers once tried to destroy the Mursaat. We dont know the full power of ether race - the Seers only share their knowledge of infusion and the Mursaat only display an ability which doesnt appear to be strictly Mursaat. None of them display the ability of Visions ether despite the name.
So yeah the Seers and Mursaat are the best (and only logical) suspects. There is also the possiblity that it was placed there by the gods or something we have yet to hear about.
Dmitri3
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I doubt the Tengu made it so that takes them out.
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P.S. Looks like all eagle heads in outposts have some wings too, so creature need to be able to fly...
P.P.S. I personally doubt Mursaat and Seer... If it were them, why would they place some eagle head basically EVERYWHERE on the damn building? Great civilizations and powerful beings rise and fall every time, there's gotta be more that 2 choices.
Free Runner
Well if we're thinking like that, Ascalon structures were created by gargoyles and the Tarnished Coast by dragons/lizards. Each area has its own arcitecture with gargoyles, dragons, eagles and snakes. That doesnt mean that they built it though.
Eagles have extremely keen eyesight, and the Eye of the North has the ability to see what the user wants no matter how far it is. Its not farfetched to think that Anet placed the eagle structures there based on that.
They are the only choices based on what we know of the current races. I did say that it could of been the gods or something we have yet to hear about. But compared to what we know of the Tengu, they dont fit the bill for creating powerful Vision devices.
Eagles have extremely keen eyesight, and the Eye of the North has the ability to see what the user wants no matter how far it is. Its not farfetched to think that Anet placed the eagle structures there based on that.
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Neo Atomisk
I have to agree with azrael on the seers.
Btw does ANYONE think the mursaat and seers are aliens? I mean the seers look like stereotypical Martians. And the gods have been said to have created other worlds.
Not to mention that spectral sometimes refers to the stars.
Btw does ANYONE think the mursaat and seers are aliens? I mean the seers look like stereotypical Martians. And the gods have been said to have created other worlds.
Not to mention that spectral sometimes refers to the stars.
Free Runner
There are theories that the Mursaat came from the Mists rather than orginating from Tyria. The Mists work like the Universe so yeah that would make them Ailen to Tyria. But its not been proven due to the mystery surrounding them.
The same thing has been wondered about the Seers since they obviously have a grudge against the Mursaat. But we have no information on the Seers other than them being Enemies of the Mursaat and in some cases, the Titans, they hunt down Eidolons and are able to communicate with Glint.
Infact its hard to tell how many there are - despite the name change from "Seer" in the Shiverpeak to "Ancient Seer" on the Ring of Fire Island Chain, the dialogue suggests that its the same Seer over and over.
The same thing has been wondered about the Seers since they obviously have a grudge against the Mursaat. But we have no information on the Seers other than them being Enemies of the Mursaat and in some cases, the Titans, they hunt down Eidolons and are able to communicate with Glint.
Infact its hard to tell how many there are - despite the name change from "Seer" in the Shiverpeak to "Ancient Seer" on the Ring of Fire Island Chain, the dialogue suggests that its the same Seer over and over.
Konig Des Todes
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Well, by the looks of it, Tengu could be a potential candidate. Not at it's current state, but there is always something about a great civilization falling and evolving into something less powerful. Being half-birds, at some point they probably could fly... so it's entirely possible it's some kind of Tengu's ancestors.
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The Eye of the North could have been used (and actually still is) as a watchtower of sorts. And then there is the Scrying Pool. That answers the name and the eagles.
And of the information we have, we have to bring it down to three (not two) choices:
Seers, Mursaat, or Unknown.
carnage-runner
Here's an interesting idea to throw up.. The theory of it being built by the Mursaat, Is overly farfetched, seeing as the structure is not even remotely similar (except for the slightly slanted outer wall shape that all Mursaat structures have). My guess is Seer's, as an Eye of the North. Literally a post in which to see (see.. seer..?) the northern parts of Kryta. It would fit the bill if we found an "Eye of the South". I'm rusty, does anyone know of any suspicious relics maybe worshipped by the dwarves that has an unknown origin? That might be it, or it may be another campaign away.
"Gods built it" is the universal response to, "well if no races we know built it, then who did?" So.. the Gods built it to keep a watch over the dormant dragons. We have no clue of the full scope of power the Eye holds.
"Gods built it" is the universal response to, "well if no races we know built it, then who did?" So.. the Gods built it to keep a watch over the dormant dragons. We have no clue of the full scope of power the Eye holds.
Konig Des Todes
For any southern structures that might be Seers. The only non-dwarf structures we see are the "dishes" in the Lyssa cave in Mineral Springs. Which is, ironically, near where the Seer can be found there.
And Mursaat is only said as possible because of how old it is. Their Ring of Fire structures don't match, but those are believe to be constructed out of the keystone bloodstone, and we don't see any other structure.
And Mursaat is only said as possible because of how old it is. Their Ring of Fire structures don't match, but those are believe to be constructed out of the keystone bloodstone, and we don't see any other structure.
Lady Lozza
Speaking of the eagles, if I remember correctly the small church thing in in the Abbey in pre-searing has similar busts.
Konig Des Todes
You do remember correctly. The building in Ashford Abbey is a very similar design to the Eye of the North. (Coulda sword I brought that up prior to this thread going dead for a while).
Any connection is, of course, unknown. As is the origin of said building in Abbey.
Any connection is, of course, unknown. As is the origin of said building in Abbey.
Neo Atomisk
@azrael: sorry for bein a lore noob, but I'm pretty sure that the bloodstones are pretty 1337 and won't be broken by anything really. And aren't the structures made of jade? *zomg theory of mursaat/luxons*
And I'm sorry, but I need to say 2 things.
1) the eye is really alienz spacecraftz zomg nubs.
2) dhuum/Menzies built the eye, after being corrupted by abaddon.
Sorry, had to put that in.
And I'm sorry, but I need to say 2 things.
1) the eye is really alienz spacecraftz zomg nubs.
2) dhuum/Menzies built the eye, after being corrupted by abaddon.
Sorry, had to put that in.
Konig Des Todes
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@azrael: sorry for bein a lore noob, but I'm pretty sure that the bloodstones are pretty 1337 and won't be broken by anything really. And aren't the structures made of jade? *zomg theory of mursaat/luxons*
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There are not even "aliens" - by that definition - in Tyria. Closest is demons, Seers, and Mursaat; only demons proven, and none except Mursaat and Seers have the technology to make "spaceships" - if there was even a need to, Mursaat can teleport *shown in Saul's Story in the BMP*, and I'm sure the Seer at least know of Odran's Portals.
2) Extremely unlikely. What would be the need of it? And don't go saying "to combat the Ancient Dragons" to go on the theory of Abaddon being a good guy and wanting to save the world from the Ancient Dragons that I have seen and has no backing.
Lady Lozza
All in all I'd throw my hat in with the Seers, if only because presumably the EotN (the building) stands to protect the scrying pool within.
Of course the logical answer is that we really don't know
Of course the logical answer is that we really don't know
carnage-runner
Defining moment of EotN and it not being created by the Mursaat. They don't use metals. As is shown by all of their body construction, and weapon construction. EotN is made entirely of metal and wood, niether of which the Mursaat use for building structures. And if they were protecting the scrying pool, they would have built a fortress like protecting the Door to Komalie, not some petty building with a big wood door.
Free Runner
Its never said that the Mursaat built the Onyx Gates on the Ring of Fire. The fact that the Jade Armour golems look very much like Abaddon and the bridge found near the Door of Komalie is found in Abaddons prison suggests that the Mursaat simply took over the place. Also we have yet to see Mursaat structures - the manuscripts give a description of the Mursaat city - "a city of massive towers reaching up into the heavens" - and we have never seen this city.
Kemal X
I kinda thought after reading a slight bit of lore that maybe Mursaat just took over those cool shiny buildings (jade structures in Fire Islands) which were left from the Gods ( they made the Bloodstones, so isn't it possibility that they had built something around the Keystone, and yet again this goes more further and further in speculation as we cannot 100% know if the RoF Bloodstone is the keystone). Jades (the monsters) might just be some sort of guardians Gods used, and are now fueled by mursaat magic or something. Would explain a bit why there was that bridge in Abaddons Gate whoch looks like the bridges in RoF. Though I think this comment is just some mindless rambling spiced with loads of speculation and slight bit of tiredness. I hope I made at least someone confused.
Konig Des Todes
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so isn't it possibility that they had built something around the Keystone
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