Your thoughts on runners
Div
If someone wants to pay for a run to kaineng, that's his decision. Who cares? If you're jealous of the people doing the runs, do it yourself and you'll find it's not big money like you think it is (at least not the kaineng runs).
Darkobra
I'm not generally jealous of immoral idiots.
Big_Iron
I-don't-care...
chowmein69
i like runners that run me to droks.
ensoriki
I thought this was a rant on people who run in pvp >.<
and I was chargin malaysia too T_T
Anyways, runners are fine sometimes, if you want to run The Wilds fine with me since I hate that mission.
and I was chargin malaysia too T_T
Anyways, runners are fine sometimes, if you want to run The Wilds fine with me since I hate that mission.
ValaOfTheFens
They provide an extremely valuble service. Sometimes you just have to get to a place but can't get there on your own. I needed Tat armor last year(before insignia were in every campaign) and w/o the run I got to Drok's it just wouldn't have happened. Radiant insiginia were over 1k each and so 1.5k armor seemed a more sensible solution.
Malice Black
Good runners are useful. Bring back LBS runners. They were cocky bastards, but they knew their shit.
wanmoke
Totally fine with it usually, as long as the runner is charging a good price. And if I can't find one, well, I fight my way myself. 
cosyfiep
I have only gotten one run in my gw time and it was from a guy trying it out so we said sure we will come along. Got ran from LA to beacon's....well we had to help out a few times, but it was fun.
Runs for areas like ascalon on non- tyrians, the mission towns in the desert, toa and such are just fine since its just time you are cutting out----you CAN do them without much effort, just need the time.
Areas that you have not been to such as docks for armor, gate of desolation, LA from ascalon and such ....NO NO. the game was set up so that you need to progress to get to these places, runners bypass the central story line of these areas.
My take on it is if you cant get there by yourself with your current level/skills you are not meant to get there yet and running a character ahead of the story line is a NO NO.
Runs for areas like ascalon on non- tyrians, the mission towns in the desert, toa and such are just fine since its just time you are cutting out----you CAN do them without much effort, just need the time.
Areas that you have not been to such as docks for armor, gate of desolation, LA from ascalon and such ....NO NO. the game was set up so that you need to progress to get to these places, runners bypass the central story line of these areas.
My take on it is if you cant get there by yourself with your current level/skills you are not meant to get there yet and running a character ahead of the story line is a NO NO.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Good runners are useful. Bring back LBS runners. They were cocky bastards, but they knew their shit.
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Many of my long term friends over the years were players I met while running them somewhere. More than half of my friends list even still. I took a lot of care to be both cordial and efficient. Some of us still play, others retired. I really enjoyed those days. Thanks for the compliment, even if it was a half compliment. 
Brought back a little nostalgia.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by cosyfiep
I have only gotten one run in my gw time and it was from a guy trying it out so we said sure we will come along. Got ran from LA to beacon's....well we had to help out a few times, but it was fun.
Runs for areas like ascalon on non- tyrians, the mission towns in the desert, toa and such are just fine since its just time you are cutting out----you CAN do them without much effort, just need the time. Areas that you have not been to such as docks for armor, gate of desolation, LA from ascalon and such ....NO NO. the game was set up so that you need to progress to get to these places, runners bypass the central story line of these areas. My take on it is if you cant get there by yourself with your current level/skills you are not meant to get there yet and running a character ahead of the story line is a NO NO. |
So in general, I like runners. Not so much into mission running, because I can do it myself, but I can't run from outpost to outpost to save my life.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Aera Lure
We werent cocky.
Many of my long term friends over the years were players I met while running them somewhere. More than half of my friends list even still. I took a lot of care to be both cordial and efficient. Some of us still play, others retired. I really enjoyed those days. Thanks for the compliment, even if it was a half compliment. Brought back a little nostalgia. |
Edit - New title? Guru? I am the Guru, you're all banned for being bad
Xx_Sorin_xX
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Originally Posted by Selket
i hate runners
the flag & stand r dum & useless morale is silly |
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Red Sonya
Running should be eliminated and GWEN is a good idea of how to do that with requiring faction points to be able to get the gear from there. If they had done that with Prophecies there wouldn't be that many people buying runs to Droks. Bring back the key system as well like Factions introduced. That stopped a chitload of running through the content and I liked it best. They should also implement faction points required to buy weapons from the weaponsmiths as well. This prevents lowbies from getting those maxed weapons for 5 plat and a handful of resources.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Hanso was a bit of a bitch though lol evryone agrees with that
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Hanso experienced lots of drama though, so I will leave it at that. Drama and having to deal with it daily = bad. I was an officer, avoided drama (mostly), stayed out of trouble and simply loved to run for the sake of it. Moved on simply to spend all my time playing instead of at least half my time running, but I miss the old guild (mind you I love the one I am in now). Good times. Quote:
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Edit - New title? Guru? I am the Guru, you're all banned for being bad
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Operative 14
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Running should be eliminated and GWEN is a good idea of how to do that with requiring faction points to be able to get the gear from there. If they had done that with Prophecies there wouldn't be that many people buying runs to Droks. Bring back the key system as well like Factions introduced. That stopped a chitload of running through the content and I liked it best. They should also implement faction points required to buy weapons from the weaponsmiths as well. This prevents lowbies from getting those maxed weapons for 5 plat and a handful of resources.
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I appreciate runners because they are people that are able to do something a good bit of the community neither have the time, patience, or skill for. Runners provide a service in the game that really helps a lot of people, and I commend them for it. I have a feeling GW would have been mostly abandoned a while ago if it weren't for people being able to start new characters as easily as running allows.
I admit, when I first started the game, I shared the opinion of many people on this forum; the runners were wrong, and they kept people from playing the game like they should. Then I started my 3rd character....
However, I do take issue with people getting run through the first time they play through a game. And that's the only group that would take advantage of a Market Place to KC Runner, so it really is a scam targeted at new players.
I MP I
Runners are great. If you have the money, and just don't feel like going through a specific mission or w/e (especially if you get bored after 10 minutes of playing like I do), pay for a run. Options are a good thing.
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Operative 14
Give me one, logical, reason why these are bad things, please.
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1) when they get run, they don't use their character to fight, hence they lack the practice that is needed to get them to where they are. hence we get un-skilled players in the end game area, hence spoiling the PUG experience.
2) going to high end area also means you need Gold, without playing the game, you obviously do not get any drop, hence where do you get the gold? possibly this could lead to people wanting to buy in game gold from illegally party?
but... I don't mind them because they could come in handy sometime when I am really lazy to do a mission on my 10th character for the 100th time (expression only)...
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Running should be eliminated and GWEN is a good idea of how to do that with requiring faction points to be able to get the gear from there. If they had done that with Prophecies there wouldn't be that many people buying runs to Droks. Bring back the key system as well like Factions introduced. That stopped a chitload of running through the content and I liked it best. They should also implement faction points required to buy weapons from the weaponsmiths as well. This prevents lowbies from getting those maxed weapons for 5 plat and a handful of resources.
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#1 - No thanks.
#2 - If Anet didn't like the Droks run they wouldn't have made Loners pass accessible.
#3 - Playing through once is enough for some of us. I have a limited attention span, and I get bored easily. I've played through the game twice, and doing it the second time nearly killed me.
Lowbies??
To stop people getting max items, you'd have to stop trade...good luck with that.
Heimdallw32
I have no problem with runners. Only thing that gets to me is this more recent (as of Nightfall) trend of people calling ANYTHING that involves "doing something" a "run". Such as doing missions that require combat (many do)...that isn't "running"...unless you can solo it all, then sure, I guess. But most of these people charging money to "run" through combat-heavy missions...well, they don't solo, they just charge people for the "honor" to party with such an "elite" player. Which is a crock, if you ask me. Because A: It's not a RUN if the entire party is helping you, and B: it's not a run if you're not...well, RUNNING. xD
Call it "doing mission" or "helping with mission for money" etc, go nuts. But don't say you're "running" vizunah square or something because it's a lie, unless you can solo it without heros or henchies. Sanctum Cay: a run. Arborstone: NOT a run.
People running from one location to another are runners of course. But yeah, overall, I have no problem with people helping other people for a fee. If you have skill/talent/knowledge, sure, make money off it. Why not?
Anyway. /rant off (regarding non-run missions)
Call it "doing mission" or "helping with mission for money" etc, go nuts. But don't say you're "running" vizunah square or something because it's a lie, unless you can solo it without heros or henchies. Sanctum Cay: a run. Arborstone: NOT a run.
People running from one location to another are runners of course. But yeah, overall, I have no problem with people helping other people for a fee. If you have skill/talent/knowledge, sure, make money off it. Why not?
Anyway. /rant off (regarding non-run missions)
I MP I
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
it is bad because, my logical assumption:
1) when you get run, you don't use your character to fight, hence you lack the practice that is needed to get you to where you are. hence you get un-skilled players in the end game area, hence spoiling the PUG experience. |
What practice?? Its pve. You C space nearest target and press numbers 1-8 on your keyboard. Only thing that makes a person bad is their build and slow reaction times (polite way of me saying retarded/inability to learn).
Malice Black
PuG experience heh
Running helps avoid pugs..this is a good thing.
Running helps avoid pugs..this is a good thing.
Vargs
I don't mind runners. Drok runs and consulate dock ferries are useful. Not so keen on mission runners, but I just don't use them.
Grasping Darkness
almost 3 years of gw and from time to time i like to make new toons. i love runners because i dont feel like doing some of the low reward missions that bore me to death and also dont feel like running myself from my laptop on another account. runners are awesome
pumpkin pie
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What practice?? Its pve. You C space nearest target and press numbers 1-8 on your keyboard. Only thing that makes a person bad is their build and slow reaction times (polite way of me saying retarded/inability to learn).
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and you think, of all the Massive Player Base, 100% of them will be able to catch up if they don't at least try to play the game or use at least 8 skills per profession to perfection?
genofreek
I don't care much for people who get the game, make a character, join a guild, and immediately start asking to be railroaded through everything. People should play through the game at least once as the developers intended, pay attention to the damn tutorials, and don't just get run straight to later areas to beg for leet armurz and phat lewts. :P I'm pretty sure crap like this is where most meteor shower monks and Glimmer Of Light wammos come from.
Once you've done it for yourself, however, the experience doesn't change a whole lot from character to character, so runners aren't a big deal to me. They want money for helping lower-level characters? Fine by me, and at times runners have taught me much more efficient or easy ways to complete missions with masters/bonus. Plus, whenever I get Time Is Nigh, I ferry to the docks. :P I've been on Drok runs too. I'd be a hypocrite to complain.
Once you've done it for yourself, however, the experience doesn't change a whole lot from character to character, so runners aren't a big deal to me. They want money for helping lower-level characters? Fine by me, and at times runners have taught me much more efficient or easy ways to complete missions with masters/bonus. Plus, whenever I get Time Is Nigh, I ferry to the docks. :P I've been on Drok runs too. I'd be a hypocrite to complain.
Davros Uitar
I remember the first time I decided to pay for a Droks run. The guy told us we could stand about or we could go die and watch him do the run. First time I ever knew you could watch the other guys when you died. I thought it was fantastic just watching the 2 runners at their craft. In those early days of my playing, the runners seemed to be the gods of the game. Watching that first run ranks as some of the most exciting 45 minutes I remember in the game. I had to go tell my guildies the next day and paid again just to do it over 
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strcpy
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I had to go tell my guildies the next day and paid again just to do it over
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They did something similar and if they noticed you had died the two had a fairly decent routine in running that was mostly for show. It was quite funny and entertaining, in fact IIRC I tipped them nicely (well, at least for my current funds - I don't know that they felt it so or not) for it.
I don't know if they are still around or if they are if they still do such things - I haven't needed a run since shortly after the release of Factions.
Pleikki
mm I dont mind ppl running i run guildies/mates sometimes myself i think its fine if someone rly wants so place but i like do it free i dunno why ppl wanna charge for it.
truemyths
The runs are great. 
Squishy ftw
I don't care much for runners.
However, something I really can't stand is when someone insists on running someone that just started playing guildwars.
However, something I really can't stand is when someone insists on running someone that just started playing guildwars.
TheRaven
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Originally Posted by quickmonty
I think it's stupid to pay someone to play the game for you. Never paid for a run.
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I've changed my mind as I've played more. I can see the value of a town runner for your 4th or 5th character that you just want to get to Droks in order to buy a certain armor set or cap a skill. I still think mission runners are for the rich or lazy person that just can't manage to win on their own. Please don't brag about your Legendary Guardian title if you just had a runner complete all of the harder missions for you.
Personally, I've never paid for a run and I never will. I prefer to get someplace under my own steam and if I can't, then I'll level up until i can.
SpeedyKQ
I used to absolutely hate running. When I was on my first time through the game, and I was struggling to beat certain areas, it made me so angry that people were paying money to "cheat" and skip the hard stuff. I took so much pride in finally getting to Drok's by playing through the game, without paying anyone to do anything for me. I was absolutely baffled that the game designers would put the Drok's run route in and let people "cheat" like that.
Well, that was my newbie mindset.
Now, I don't really care. I think new players can ruin their experience by being run too much. But for one thing, that is their choice and none of my business, and for another, most players being run aren't newbies anyways.
Well, that was my newbie mindset.
Now, I don't really care. I think new players can ruin their experience by being run too much. But for one thing, that is their choice and none of my business, and for another, most players being run aren't newbies anyways.
Jetdoc
I won't ever use a runner, but the fact that they exist for people that don't have the patience to fight their way through areas is a valuable added dimension to this game. The fact that runners are severely limited in Factions and for the most part Nightfall was a downside to those campaigns, IMO.
Crom The Pale
Runners do have thier uses, however they also do a great deal of damage to new players.
Its one thing for somebody working on thier 4th+ char to get a run for max armor or to unlock a hero, but for somebody working on thier very first char it really takes a huge chunk of the game and destroys it for them forever.
Exporing the world, finding cities and learning how to defeat the foes along the way is an integral part of this game, without it you might as well just make a PvP char and skip the entire PvE experiance.
Its one thing for somebody working on thier 4th+ char to get a run for max armor or to unlock a hero, but for somebody working on thier very first char it really takes a huge chunk of the game and destroys it for them forever.
Exporing the world, finding cities and learning how to defeat the foes along the way is an integral part of this game, without it you might as well just make a PvP char and skip the entire PvE experiance.
Kos Luftar
Runners are the most talented PVE players in the game, they have revolutionized Guild Wars.
Kattar
Meh, I use them when I don't want to do something AGAIN for the HUNDREDTH time. CoF runs are good too.
Some love them, some hate them. I don't mind them so much.
Also /agree with Malice. Lmao
Some love them, some hate them. I don't mind them so much.
Also /agree with Malice. Lmao
zling
there are different types of runners, each with its role and purpose:
GvG runner- not what the op meant but still a runner. a neccessity in every
GvG match, no problem with this type of runner...
Chest runner- also probably not what the op meant but still a runner. now with hm and lockpicks you can actually make some nice money with chest running. and if you want wisdom and treasure hunter titles this is the best way to get there. again no problem with this type of runner...
Mission runners- now we're getting warmer to what the op really meant. some missions like Ruins of Morah can be hard and very frustrating for N00B PuGs. others like the Desert missions are just annoying to do for the 5th or 6th time... this runner is fine for people who've completed the game several times and cant be bothered completing early missions over and over again or people who get stuck on some mission such as Ruins of Morah and cant wait to get to the realm of torment already. however in other situations I have a problem with this type of runner...
Outpost Runner- your typical runner, what the op meant by asking about runners. some areas like LA->SC or BP->Droks or Droks->Shiverpeak Tour or even Amnoon Oasis->Desert Tour are fine if you've completed prophecies already and cant be bothered with that long and tedious campaign. other places, especially in cantha and elona are usually rip offs and scams, like running from Marketplace->KC which is just pure scam or Sunspear Sanctuary->Gates of Desolation mission without doing all the quests leading to it. you cant do the mission and are just stuck there... I have a problem with all the scammers who offer various runs for N00Bs just to take their money, however I dont have a problem with respectable runners doing respectable runs.
GvG runner- not what the op meant but still a runner. a neccessity in every
GvG match, no problem with this type of runner...
Chest runner- also probably not what the op meant but still a runner. now with hm and lockpicks you can actually make some nice money with chest running. and if you want wisdom and treasure hunter titles this is the best way to get there. again no problem with this type of runner...
Mission runners- now we're getting warmer to what the op really meant. some missions like Ruins of Morah can be hard and very frustrating for N00B PuGs. others like the Desert missions are just annoying to do for the 5th or 6th time... this runner is fine for people who've completed the game several times and cant be bothered completing early missions over and over again or people who get stuck on some mission such as Ruins of Morah and cant wait to get to the realm of torment already. however in other situations I have a problem with this type of runner...
Outpost Runner- your typical runner, what the op meant by asking about runners. some areas like LA->SC or BP->Droks or Droks->Shiverpeak Tour or even Amnoon Oasis->Desert Tour are fine if you've completed prophecies already and cant be bothered with that long and tedious campaign. other places, especially in cantha and elona are usually rip offs and scams, like running from Marketplace->KC which is just pure scam or Sunspear Sanctuary->Gates of Desolation mission without doing all the quests leading to it. you cant do the mission and are just stuck there... I have a problem with all the scammers who offer various runs for N00Bs just to take their money, however I dont have a problem with respectable runners doing respectable runs.
Tender Wolf
I know what you mean zling. I see people spamming they're running to KC from marketplace and Gate of Desolation from Sunspear Sanctuary all the time and I'm thinking...those are easy to get to. I guess I forgot to mention the mission runners but it was in my mind. lol
I remember my first Drok's run, that was when it cost 10k. Glad the price has come down but I haven't been ran there in a long time. I do agree with the people that say you should beat each campaign at least once before getting ran anywhere in it. Sure sometimes missions in a campaign you haven't beaten are stubborn and annoying, so sometimes you may cave and get a run there. But you're still technically beating the campaign.
And Drok's is a shortcut to later missions but if you're only going for the armor, that's okay too. Unless you only want max armor and don't care what it looks like, you could get it from Cantha or Elona.
I remember my first Drok's run, that was when it cost 10k. Glad the price has come down but I haven't been ran there in a long time. I do agree with the people that say you should beat each campaign at least once before getting ran anywhere in it. Sure sometimes missions in a campaign you haven't beaten are stubborn and annoying, so sometimes you may cave and get a run there. But you're still technically beating the campaign.
And Drok's is a shortcut to later missions but if you're only going for the armor, that's okay too. Unless you only want max armor and don't care what it looks like, you could get it from Cantha or Elona.
tmr819
My first thought whenever I hear a "runner" announcement in chat is always the same: "where's the fun in that?" Sheesh, why not pay someone to just play your character while you go watch TV or something.
It just seems nonsensical to me. The only case where I can see using a runner is for a mission or quest you simply could not beat on your own and could not find a group for. But that situation ... has never happened to me.
I guess I don't care one way or the other about runners, and some of them are very good at what they do, I know, but using one, to me anyway, seems like admitting the game in some respect has defeated you.
It just seems nonsensical to me. The only case where I can see using a runner is for a mission or quest you simply could not beat on your own and could not find a group for. But that situation ... has never happened to me.
I guess I don't care one way or the other about runners, and some of them are very good at what they do, I know, but using one, to me anyway, seems like admitting the game in some respect has defeated you.