Your thoughts on runners

You don't need to do runs, it's easy enough without better armor and skills and what not. And with tomes you don't need runs, right?

I personally think it's lazy, any runner is paid for by lazy people.
That said, I'm lazy at times.

I think most runners are scammers. and Running is a waste of time. you can make more money in Desolation (noob farming spot) than you can running. Along with many other areas in the other chapters of the game.
Considering all the no pays, running is a waste of time. Which is the reason i stopped running.

[edit] I believe most runners are scammers because Myself and many i have spoken to have paid and then the runner would leave halfway through the run, or whenever they get the cash.

Actually, I believe most people that get ran are scammers. If the runner doesn't make it, he doesn't get payed. No scam there. But the people that get ran often times just leave and don't pay. As far as running goes, I believe the one of the funnest parts of MMOs are the freedom to be creative. It helps keep the lasting appeal up. I often feel as if Anet controls some things way to much and others not enough. But yeah, I think there is nothing wrong with running or certainly there are a lot of worse things that could use dealing with.

Actually, running can be a very good way to make cash. Not casual running, but serious service running. We have a running guild in our alliance and they are some of our richest players. Only allied members consistently richer are members of our [used-to-be-a-major-FFF-guild] guild.

I liken runners to public transportation (buses, taxis, subways, etc.). It's a service we pay for to convenience ourselves by not needing to do the work. It's not being lazy; it's taking advantage of the many services that are available to us.

There's nothing wrong with runners. After all, it's a mutually reciprocal service: runners won't exist if there aren't people who want to be ran. Can't really complain about runners without complaining about runnees.

runners are ok..they help in some parts of the game.
these days though i dont see much need for them..
some are scammers though like mission runners charging 3k for standard reward(jehnurs horde)comes to mind.

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I think you just went on to describe how not to be good at the game. People like you are the result of there being runners.

Sorry, you do not get good at the game by not playing and skipping to the good gear and skills.

Do you use tomes?
Tomes are like runners, idf you have the money and already have it why not get it?

weather you are having trouble with the elite or if its too far away you can use a tome

They only ppl i will take to far away town are fellow guildies. I do it for free and wont take a 1rst toon (lets say lvl 10 or less) to a place they wont be able to deal with. If its not there first toon then i dont mind taking them where they want to go.
When i do take ppl to places i fight my way there, much more fun. Recently took a guildie to Drok after 3 runners fail to get him there. Took a bit of time but we had a great time.

I find that figthing my way to drok is much more of a challenge then running there.

Had another guildie rushing himself trought NF to get Primeval armor. Helped him a bit to get there. He now got his nice armor, but dont have gold to outfit his heroes with decent weapons, runes and skills.

I dont mind ppl getting runs and ppl that runs them. But if its your first toon and you want to enjoy the game try to follow the story line.

If people want them to be runned through the game, its okay to me.

runners offer a service, its up 2 you if you want to use them or not

it doesn't have to affect you if you dont want it to!

I've noticed many people mention low level toons being "abandoned in places they can't progress". Hello, it's called map travel!

Outpost running is usually done to get max armour, or skip midgame content (the jungle). If you're "abandoned" just got back a step using the "m" key....

Runners are fine, why do u have to play thru an area/mission for the 10th time if u have enough money to pay someone to do it for u. They provide a valid service for the community and their prices arent that high to start with. And again nobody is ever forced to hire runners.

Power traders on the other hand...

So, let's just go back to the beginning of Guild Wars and "rehash" every topic. Runners have been in the game from the gitgo, so has this topic.

I've used runners to get through missions and to places that I don't feel like fighting my way through to for the umpteenth time. Personally, I don't think anything is wrong with it.

Like anyone who has played through Prophecies many times , i have used them and dont have any problems with them at all, and CoF runs have been a good source of income for me.

Mind you not all runners cover themselves in glory..like the berks in Ascalon offering 'pro' runs to Piken Square.. that is just too funny

I don't have problems until I get the...you pay 1k here...thanks and zone. No I've never been stupid enough to pay before the destination but I get sick of hearing about all the runners that are scamming. That said I also get sick of all the people being ran who are scamming. If you can't/won't pay for a service don't use it. Ultimately its the people being ran scamming the runners that led to all this bs about paying before a run is complete. GG you scammers.

I don't really mind. Doesn't really affect me either way. As long as it's a real run. KC is a scam, not a run.

Yeah, I agree about the Kaineng run. That's pretty cold.

I have 2 accounts and run myself a lot of places when starting a new character now, and run guildies/allies or the random person from time to time. Really think you should play through the first time though. At least for the experience.

Runners are great for when I want to get a new pve character pvp ready and don't feel like actually taking the time to play through a whole storyline to do it.

but there is reward points for that

I've got a neutral opinion on runners. Good and bad points:
They're good because if there's a long and tedious mission and you're feeling lazy you can get a runner to do it, which is good especially if no other players are there and it's a hard mission so you cant hench and hero it.
They're bad because its not right to run through a mission and skip it, because I like to do missions properly, but, as mentioned before, a long and tedious mission with practically no one there can sometimes be tempting to get someone to run you through it. Also, running causes scamming, so you have to be more careful about running, although if you are careful and sort out a payment somewhere both people agree on so one person can not scam the other, it can be resolved (although this is not always possible.)

Ah, the old tyrian runs were like a cool staple of GW back in the day. They capped them too much with the inability to run anywhere in factions back in the day. In doing that, outpost running in NF and GWEN is pretty limited. I used to run all the time - and it was fun. I wish there was an area or two in each map like droks or the southern shiverpeaks to something cool on the other side. However, I don't think getting everywhere should be runnable. Oh well, the days of "outpost" running are pretty much gone, but they were awesome when they were around.

Who wants to go through a linear Fedex Quest and Mission after quest with their 2nd and 3rd and 4th char?You go ask most hard core pvpers if they want to grind through the game as most don't.I don't and I have seen the same cinematic over and over again and who wants to hang around Post Ascalon or KC.

To the person who said runners are scammers they aren't as it happens the other way around.

I would of preferred to stay with the King and go off and fight the Charr instead of following the prince to go off and fight in the Fire Islands and stone summit,undead,mantle,mursaat and the lich.

I agree with you and it would be nice to see the gate unlocked for those other chapters so you can go cap an elite as that is all that some want to do.

I don't think you appreciate the joy of capping elite skill in GW:EN while you're still low level and doesn't have a 2nd profession yet.

I don't think you appreciate doing early Prophecies mission SOLO.

I guess a good gamer to you is someone who dies a lot of times because he is wearing the weakest armor/weapon of the game. Well, i think i have to admire you for that.

I think what makes a person good is when he beat GW:EN (of course among many other things) when he is still level 10. Too bad that i got to level 20 before I got Livia. And i did that using H/H. Thanks to AL70 armor from Docks and to the guy who helped me get there for 500g.

When I first started playing guild wars my friends had already been playing for over 9 months, beaten the game and were steadily getting bored of it. I knew that i would have to play alot to catch upto to where they were, not that i cared much but i knew the basics of an mmo and had to get caught up before factions was released so that i could join them in it.

When i first got to piken in prophecies i seen many players with a vast ammount of different armors, i asked one such player where he had gotten that particular armor that i was intrested in. He said he got in a place called droknars forge, my new mission was to get that armor as soon as possible (just because anet didnt add a quest calling for you to get better armor didnt mean i wouldnt set out to get it). I didn't know anything about the map nor the stats the armor would give i just wanted to look cool while going through the game normally. After looking at a fully uncovered map on a site i seen that the only route was lornars pass and my guildies said it they couldnt run it, after just getting to beacons I sat there untill someone offered a run for tips (mind you i had about 8k in gold, collector items and such and could not afford a 3k run).

I got to Droks and bought my armor and headed back down to lions arch to complete the story line, i guess i'll never know how hard the missions were really since i had max armor (even though i was a tank with mending >.<) but the service provided to me made it so i could get up there quickly enough to join my friends just about to start factions and still get the whole back story on prophecies.

Without runners guild wars stops (just like the bumper sticker says without trucks america stops and its the truth, hypothetically speaking). After i beat factions i went back and capped charge to start running by myself to droks for money, the first several runs where on tips and after i got pro at it i never overpriced anyone. Then came the droks run nerf, mobs that NEVER lost aggro and chased you from one portal to the other (you never could stop and if you took a break it was all over). I made over a 100 runs back then before i retired (quit when dervishes flooded beacons with 1k runs) i bought everything i ever wanted when i did this along with farming vermins, and it got to the point that i owned everything and was even running my own guildies there, so the game got basically boring.

I'd say running is a great aspect to the game when its needed (and as for getting rid of running skills non sense i use charge as my elite when pve'ing to get done faster, as they say run today to live another). I'll admit when factions was first released i ran a little bit of the marketplace but only because no one knew where to go, but as i did it i had them stick next to me and map the area so that they could inform there friends about how easy it was. Now I just run people for free to help them navigate their way, be it from yaks to borlis pass or beacons to droks i believe people should get to where their going quickly, because guild wars 2 as was the expansions for gw for me is coming quickly and people need to prepare for that as i did factions as fast as possible.

Sorry for the essay >.<

My opinion of runners are pretty good at some points. Sometimes they are called scammers by a lot of people and most of the time Guild Wars can not do anything to stop scammers. Even if you provide a screenshot they still cant do anything. Most of the runners I take are trusted. How do I know that? Because before I run I ask for some people who have used his running and I whisper to them and ask if he is good or not.

- (Advice to Beginners)- Never do a run that charges a run upfront first! because in the end you shall be crying and begging for your money back.

Well any damage runners could have done theve done along time ago, but i have no worries with them themselves rather the design flaws that make runs possible.

I don't get why people dislike runners. I mean, they just give a service, it's up to you to accept or not.

2 years ago I used to run people to drok forge, and then 1 year later I began running again with sin with the SF build (you couldn't keep that up all the time at that time ).

I've only been scammed once, from a single player out of six, and I've never scammed anyone; if you run a bit you become kinda famous in certain districts and you can immediately find good people looking for a run.

Still, don't get all the hatred against runners.

Prophecies was made so that you could run, and I don't get why anet imposed full storyline on other campaigns, since running isn't that easy anyway... oh well.

Nothing To Add.

You know you basically wasted 500g since you can get 1K max armor in GW:EN's first outpost?

I dont have any problems with'em. They've helped me quite a few times. And performing a few runs myself has made me quite a bit of cash. (Mainly from ascalon to yaks) It helps out the new players and old players with new characters. As long as people dont charge an arm and a leg to do it. And they dont get pissed when somebody charges less to do the same run. If they're willing to waste their time doing it for free, let'em.

It is a deal. You pay for it, they run for you.

regarding the market to KC run, it is not the runners' faults for running from market to KC. The one who is being run should carry the responsibility. Everyone should know the way to go to KC. If someone doesn't, he/she should check wiki. Someone may prefer paying for run. It's his/her's choice.

as others have said, running is purely the business of the ppl who run and the ppl who pay for runs. if a runner wants to charge for a run, thats up to him. if he overprices the run, maybe ppl wont join, maybe hell make more money, thats his problem. and if a runnee is willing to pay something for a run and a runner is willing to do it what right does anybody else think they have to object or call it unfair?

also, flagstands, morale, and things of that nature

As long as both the runner and the person being run agree on the price, the runner delivers the run and the money is paid there is nothing wrong with it...

Like many others on here, once I'm on a 4th, 5th, 6th+ character I don't want to have to go thru so many quests and such just to get to the main storyline section of the campaign.

It's up to the individual. Being run means losing out on some content. (I've never used a runner on a Mission before, so I don't know what that's like. But skipping a lot of the early Proph missions where Rurik runs off like an idiot - so glad to have a runner get me to LA!)

As for the KC run: yeah, pretty sad that people will scam others like that. But, that's their karma - they have to answer for it, somehow!

I dont use them and I havent been one, but if people wish to pay someone to run them, well then that is their choice.

runs were fun till they introduced imbalanced pve skills like "i'm unstoppable" and "dwarven stability">.
now they require no skill at all. just high rank in those titles. so sad.
not to mention cupcakes and consumables....

A fan!
Like totally!

anet should make all campaigns "runnable".