Since it has no bearing on me or my friends' game even I'm essentially neutral.
If I ignore the de facto neutrality, I'd consider the practice inherently a negative for the game. As was noted, it's paying someone to play the game for you and only a tiny micrometer away from just buying a few million gold online and decking your character out in perfect gear on day one and imagining you accomplished anything at all. Although I find it interesting that there are people who can get all the way to something like Droks in such a short amount of time, I don't understand why anyone would pay for the service and cheat themselves of the experience of playing a game they paid for.
There's all of ten classes in this game each of which play differently (and if you have access to all 10, at least three different campaign worlds to play in). I've had no problem enjoying myself taking different classes through the same missions and quests because it's interesting to see how different classes perform, to see what you've learned from previous outings, etc.. I figure for those people who aren't enjoying the game, maybe you ought to try something else.
Again, I don't really care all that much, it will never have the sleightest effect on me or anyone I play with's game (well, it is a contributing factor as to why I keep local chat off 97% of the time), it just seems to me that if you've played to the point that you can't stand doing something in the game it's time to move on. My least favorite areas in the game are still worth doing with a friend with teamspeak running.
Your thoughts on runners
CHannum
Olim Chill
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Micrometer away? You're comparing paying virtual gold for a virtual service to paying real money for virtual gold? That's miles apart.
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Buster
The most famous run of all "The Droks Run". Probably looked upon as cheating the game but eventually turned into an accomplishment. They should add Droks runs as an achievement/title.
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The most famous run of all "The Droks Run". Probably looked upon as cheating the game but eventually turned into an accomplishment. They should add Droks runs as an achievement/title.
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And anyway, I don't care about runners , I once used to run Drok with Sin, it was one of the harderst builds to use (when it worked) and it was also hard to start without engaging eventual scammers/impatient guys who leave because of 1 kill. I could manage to make a run in 13 mins, 3k each, got a lot of money, 2 days after the build got nerfed and I didn't really want to make a derv so I focused on something else.
Mordakai
Bottom line, if Anet was against Running, they would have closed it down.
It's a shame they made Factions and Nightfall less runnable though. Takes away part of the exploring fun, IMO.
It's a shame they made Factions and Nightfall less runnable though. Takes away part of the exploring fun, IMO.
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The most famous run of all "The Droks Run". Probably looked upon as cheating the game but eventually turned into an accomplishment. They should add Droks runs as an achievement/title.
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I wonder who the best runner in the game was, Blue had the most impact but he wasn't the best.
X El Queso Grande X
Like most people have said already, runners help with skipping parts that people have played a million times. I thought the running business was doomed after factions came out, but looks like people are still finding ways in NF and EoTN. 
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Lol that's impossible to record as "run" :P
And anyway, I don't care about runners , I once used to run Drok with Sin, it was one of the harderst builds to use (when it worked) and it was also hard to start without engaging eventual scammers/impatient guys who leave because of 1 kill. I could manage to make a run in 13 mins, 3k each, got a lot of money, 2 days after the build got nerfed and I didn't really want to make a derv so I focused on something else. |
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I have no problem with runners since I am one of those lazy players who will pay for a run if its my 5th time through or I just need to get something
mr_stealth
I don't care much for runners/runnees, but I can't stand the people that answer a new player's question about where/how to get armor with "don't buy it here, get ran to droks". Getting your first character ran throught half the game is a great way to end up being stuck near the end of the game and too clueless to kill anything. Pushing new players into getting runs is just forcing the already pathetic average skill level found in pugs even lower.
Getting a 3rd-4th character ran is a bit more reasonable, but I think it makes you lose out on some valuable early learning experience for a new profession. Each new profession really should be learned on its own. Two years of elementalist experience isn't going to mean a thing when you make a new monk. If the game bores you so much that you can't stand doing missions/quests on your new character, it might be time to find a new game.
The only case I consider runs acceptable in is replacing/rerolling a character. If someone chooses to replace a character, doing all the "work" should be part of that, but skipping it isn't going to have any negative effect.
My views on runners/running come from first hand experience, and from seeing the results when others got their first/early characters ran. I replaced a few characters because of runs that my idiot friends pulled me along on(none of them had any right to get ran either). I remade my oldest character (my ele) almost a year after making the first, and I can honestly say that I picked up a fair amount of experience, and new-found interest in the profession, from doing so.
Getting a 3rd-4th character ran is a bit more reasonable, but I think it makes you lose out on some valuable early learning experience for a new profession. Each new profession really should be learned on its own. Two years of elementalist experience isn't going to mean a thing when you make a new monk. If the game bores you so much that you can't stand doing missions/quests on your new character, it might be time to find a new game.
The only case I consider runs acceptable in is replacing/rerolling a character. If someone chooses to replace a character, doing all the "work" should be part of that, but skipping it isn't going to have any negative effect.
My views on runners/running come from first hand experience, and from seeing the results when others got their first/early characters ran. I replaced a few characters because of runs that my idiot friends pulled me along on(none of them had any right to get ran either). I remade my oldest character (my ele) almost a year after making the first, and I can honestly say that I picked up a fair amount of experience, and new-found interest in the profession, from doing so.
mrmango
Running is lazy, but I have got runs and have ran people.
Also, factions and nf did amazingly to stop running. Just do the missions, then explore. Also, don't be dumb.
Also, factions and nf did amazingly to stop running. Just do the missions, then explore. Also, don't be dumb.
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it is bad because, my logical assumption if its the player's first character that:
1) when they get run, they don't use their character to fight, hence they lack the practice that is needed to get them to where they are. hence we get un-skilled players in the end game area, hence spoiling the PUG experience. 2) going to high end area also means you need Gold, without playing the game, you obviously do not get any drop, hence where do you get the gold? possibly this could lead to people wanting to buy in game gold from illegally party? but... I don't mind them because they could come in handy sometime when I am really lazy to do a mission on my 10th character for the 100th time (expression only)... |
You have to admit, running caters to a market that renders both of those points moot.
1) Those people probably use heroes and Henchmen anyway, so they aren't detracting from their ability in PUG's because they don't use them.
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2) People who get runs are established players, and usually are getting runs only because they know what they want and have enough money to do so. Granted, you might get people that might E-bay gold, but I think you have to admit that them getting runs is the least of the trouble they cause.
Besides, running acts as a great unofficial gold sink, because the gold doesn't disappear, it goes to other players. And thus it keeps gold circulating, so it's good for the ingame economy. Otherwise the only reason players would have to circulate money is trading for items... and that returns to the second point in that trading for items is a much more effective reason for people to E-bay gold than getting a run would ever be.
CHannum
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Micrometer away? You're comparing paying virtual gold for a virtual service to paying real money for virtual gold? That's miles apart.
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You get gold by whatever means and you fast forward your character to endgame status in mere hours. You might have gotten the game gold by playing the game, you might have gotten it by ordering from one of those fine, upstanding gold sellers. Either way, you didn't actually play your character to endgame status, you bought your way there. Game gold for GW is cheap, you can get enough gold to get run to Droks, slap max weapons & armor on the toon, and leveled to L20 for a lot less than a modest lunch at Taco Bell. Don't kid yourself that there's this massive game ethics gulf between justifying saving yourself the time of playing a character to endgame areas by buying the run with in game earned gold versus doing the same thing by spending a few bucks with a gold seller.
I don't lose any sleep over people who have some urge for yet another toon they didn't play, I just don't understand it. My least favorite times playing the game (*cough* Crystal Desert *cough*) have still given me a lot more fun than a fast food lunch's worth of content skippage.
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My first thought whenever I hear a "runner" announcement in chat is always the same: "where's the fun in that?" Sheesh, why not pay someone to just play your character while you go watch TV or something.
It just seems nonsensical to me. The only case where I can see using a runner is for a mission or quest you simply could not beat on your own and could not find a group for. But that situation ... has never happened to me. I guess I don't care one way or the other about runners, and some of them are very good at what they do, I know, but using one, to me anyway, seems like admitting the game in some respect has defeated you. |
Level 3 characters are not meant to have max armor, etc. I do understand that there are some missions that are harder to do, but having a mission run for you is not playing the game (help out with the mission, get in a guild that helps newer characters with stuff like that, etc.).
Getting runs defeats the purpose of the game which is to PLAY it, if you do this you will get to that place soon enough.
Operative 14
I think one thing that needs to be taken from this thread is that everyone has a different, and personally based, moral standing on this issue. No where has it been said that running is illegal in the game, whereas Gold Selling/Buying definately is. In fact, there was an article where the developers clearly state that it was "an intended design element".
Arguing this is like arguing politics, everyone has an opinion, and everyone thinks they are right. However, just like politics, this does not mean that anyone is right or wrong for approving or disapproving of the practice of running. Everyone is right, and again just like politics, it would be nice if people could stop insulting each other over differences of opinion.
If you play through the game 20 times with 20 different character, and still enjoy playing through it personally, then I truely commend you. However, that does not give you the right to insult your fellow players becuase of their playing practices.
Arguing this is like arguing politics, everyone has an opinion, and everyone thinks they are right. However, just like politics, this does not mean that anyone is right or wrong for approving or disapproving of the practice of running. Everyone is right, and again just like politics, it would be nice if people could stop insulting each other over differences of opinion.
If you play through the game 20 times with 20 different character, and still enjoy playing through it personally, then I truely commend you. However, that does not give you the right to insult your fellow players becuase of their playing practices.
Yichi
Meh who cares what someone else gets ran or not. I play how I feel I want too. If that involves me making a new character and skipping ahead to get better armor, than finishing the objective, than so be it. If I choose to play normally than thats my choice. Who is anyone else to tell me how I should play a game that I paid for.
Red Sonya
All Anet needs to do is eliminate the rewards of getting a run and then I have no problem with people who want to run the content for "nothing". Keep the requirements of factions reputations and locked gates/doors and run all you wish since there will be nothing at the end of the run. I'm pretty sure GW2 will follow this path as GWEN was really the best one. It doesn't even require locked doors or gates because you can't get the armor without the reputation points. 
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exactly....if you need to have your 15th character ran thru the game, why did you make character 15????
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For myself I don't care much for runs on "mains" - they are where they are through their own volition. But for a farming character? They aren't there to play, they are there to acquire gold - I don't really enjoy playing a monk or ritualist but I do find some farming runs enjoyable with them - why should I then spend how many hours of not having fun to get to that point?
Then there are things that used to not be possible but now are. The last run I got was on my Canthan born necro to cap Spiteful Spirit once she unlocked Tyria (she was level 20 at the time and past Vizunah Square - I decided to change from Death to Curse). It was *less* abusive than my re-roll of a ranger who purchased an elite ranger tome at level two and learn "Barrage". Was that Evil(Tm) and avoiding playing the character? Why is that remotely worse than purchasing an Elite Necro tome - that is even *less* playing than the run! (in my case it was the fourth time I had capped the skill). Both are obviously part of the game mechanics.
Meh, the purpose of a game is to have fun, if I'm not doing that then something is wrong. Of course, if my definition of "fun" is to ruin others gaming time (read griefers, kill stealer's, and other types of disruptive individuals) then no, that doesn't count in what I am talking about. However there are quite a few reasons to purchase a run. I tend to agree that if you are using runners to avoid playing the game then why "play"? But then I suspect few are really doing that if for no other reason than the cost needed for a runner ensures quite a bit of playing to get to that level (or e-bay gold, which generally results in a perma-ban).
In the end I would rather have an individual purchasing chapters/expansion and helping keep the game alive yet not playing in the way I would than being "pure" and having a dead game. Of course, that is your choice and many seem to indicate they would rather have a dead game - but then Anet more or less sides with me on this one (now, if only they would have on the BMP debacle).
Olim Chill
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No, micrometers.
Don't kid yourself that there's this massive game ethics gulf between justifying saving yourself the time of playing a character to endgame areas by buying the run with in game earned gold versus doing the same thing by spending a few bucks with a gold seller. |
Red Sonya
Sorry, but anyone who has 10 to 15 characters needs to get a life and away from the computer. These people have an addiction problem and need to seek help and quick. You'll end up spending your entire lives playing games and shirking your responsibilities. The first sign of this addiction would and will be an attack on this post. Other signs are denial or I can stop anytime I want to type statements. Addiction is a hard thing to overcome because most don't realize they are addicted until it's too late. When their wife or girlfriend leaves them, when they no longer have any real world friends an all their socalled friends are online. There are many more things that show and prove addiction, but, I'm not going to list everyone of them.
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I'm sure everyone by now knows what runners are and what they do. So I just got to thinking, what does everyone think of them? Here are my thoughts:
Runners for hard areas, like certain missions, Drok's, etc. are okay. And even ferries to the docks in Istan are fine as well. But the runners in the Marketplace charging for runs to Kaineng Center, well I don't get that because if you just stick to the left (north) and avoid aggro, you can get there without even engaging in a fight. But yeah, what does everyone else think? |
But yeah if i feel lazy and have some spare money i somtimes get a runner, as conviently enough my internet allows me to get a runner and play War3 at same time so wit works out nicly.
MithranArkanere
They are part-time chore makers.
I pay them when I'm a bit bored, it's late and I want something done fast, or when I want to see and see something on TV while they run around for me.
Just like when you pay a kid to move the lawn for you.
People should do the chores, but it's not bad to pay other to make them.
Anet should never encourage that, nor make their job easier, but it's not a big deal of an issue.
I would not whine if they closed the door in Beacon's Perch so only those that have been in Droknar's Forge can go to camp rankor or Grenth's footprint, nor strongly ask for it.
I'm not against letting people reaching every outpost by running.
I'm only against skipping primary quest and missions.
I pay them when I'm a bit bored, it's late and I want something done fast, or when I want to see and see something on TV while they run around for me.
Just like when you pay a kid to move the lawn for you.
People should do the chores, but it's not bad to pay other to make them.
Anet should never encourage that, nor make their job easier, but it's not a big deal of an issue.
I would not whine if they closed the door in Beacon's Perch so only those that have been in Droknar's Forge can go to camp rankor or Grenth's footprint, nor strongly ask for it.
I'm not against letting people reaching every outpost by running.
I'm only against skipping primary quest and missions.
CHannum
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Actually, you're kidding yourself. Using real world money to buy gold violates GW RoC. Running does not, no matter how you feel about it. If you can't see the difference between an ingame service that does not violate game policy and the real-world-cash-for-game-goodies racket, and all its baggage, your view must be obstructed.
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Regardless, this is all arguing about a mistake. All you need do is look at the design of all three of the other campaign/expansions to see that the designers clearly never intended running and only allow it because it would take a significant re-write of Prophecies to eliminate something that doesn't matter a whole lot for the non-running majority of the population. It was an unintended cheat mode that has virtually no in game consequences. It is curtailed to some degree in all the other games, most severely in GWEN, and will probably be at least as curtailed in GW2.
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The rules of conduct do not define ethics any more than laws do. I don't buy gold, I don't buy runs, they're only micrometers apart regardless of what is technically allowed by the rules of conduct. The RoC only defines what will and won't get you suspended or banned, just as laws only define what will and won't get you fined or jailed. They have next to nothing to do with actually intelligent and ethical behavior which exists independent of any such rulesets.
Regardless, this is all arguing about a mistake. All you need do is look at the design of all three of the other campaign/expansions to see that the designers clearly never intended running and only allow it because it would take a significant re-write of Prophecies to eliminate something that doesn't matter a whole lot for the non-running majority of the population. It was an unintended cheat mode that has virtually no in game consequences. It is curtailed to some degree in all the other games, most severely in GWEN, and will probably be at least as curtailed in GW2. |
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GForce9x
I don't mind people who run, but people who make joke runs like KC and exploit people who don't know better piss me off. During the recent EotN trial week (or weekend, can't remember), I was messing around and advertised a run from Boreal Station to the Eye of the North for 2k and within seconds I had 6 people trying to join my group. I took them for free and didn't accept any tips, but the thought of how many people were probably scammed that weekend was kinda saddening. Most of the people there on the trial were on a time limit and probably know that the trip was pretty much right around the corner. Luckly, most of the time there were people just hanging out there who were warding off people trying to make money off of that run.
Red Sonya
Yeah they curtailed it a lot as it used to could be run by only 1 person and only cost 1k or many times free to get the run from Beacons to Droks. Now haha they want like 6k and two people make the run. lol But, the easy to get to high level armor in Kamadan has pretty much taken away a lot of that running business from Beacons to Droks as you can be in max level gear within a matter of a few minutes now, just have to get to Kamadan from the beginning. I don't know why they left that exploit open they were doing so well with the way they did Factions. Once you make the jump from Kamadan to the Docks the quest should stop you from redoing it over n over again. It should be completed once you zone in not after you've talked to an npc or took the mission.
Want to know the LIE in that statement? If it were true then why did they make the run harder and harder? If it was designed that way why mess with the run in the first place where many people could solo run it? Gaile has always been pretty good at covering up the messes, but, they were/are still messes no less.
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Evaine
I don't mind runners. I've paid for two and I tipped them both too.
I paid to have my Factions Elementalist run to Droknar's Forge. I wanted to see it since so many players have such a burning desire to get there. It came in handy for one of the Wintersday quests.
I paid for a run to get my Ranger through the Elona Reach mission because I had read how horribly hard it is. I appreciated the run but didn't learn a thing about the mechanics of the mission. I still had my Factions Elementalist and Nightfall Necromancer coming through the Crystal Desert so I could either pay to have them run through the mission or do them myself. So far I've done it with my Ele using heros and henchies and I'm looking forward to doing it with my Necro.
Anyway, runners are OK. They provide a service. It's there if you want it and it doesn't seem to violate A-net rules.
What bothers me more are the players who want to be run through every part of the game. The incessant spam from them looking for runners annoys me more than even gold sellers. If I were a runner I’d charge them two or three times my rate. But if that's the way they want to play then so be it. Who or what encourages that behavior? I wonder ...
I paid to have my Factions Elementalist run to Droknar's Forge. I wanted to see it since so many players have such a burning desire to get there. It came in handy for one of the Wintersday quests.
I paid for a run to get my Ranger through the Elona Reach mission because I had read how horribly hard it is. I appreciated the run but didn't learn a thing about the mechanics of the mission. I still had my Factions Elementalist and Nightfall Necromancer coming through the Crystal Desert so I could either pay to have them run through the mission or do them myself. So far I've done it with my Ele using heros and henchies and I'm looking forward to doing it with my Necro.
Anyway, runners are OK. They provide a service. It's there if you want it and it doesn't seem to violate A-net rules.
What bothers me more are the players who want to be run through every part of the game. The incessant spam from them looking for runners annoys me more than even gold sellers. If I were a runner I’d charge them two or three times my rate. But if that's the way they want to play then so be it. Who or what encourages that behavior? I wonder ...
Dev121
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Want to know the LIE in that statement? If it were true then why did they make the run harder and harder? If it was designed that way why mess with the run in the first place where many people could solo run it? Gaile has always been pretty good at covering up the messes, but, they were/are still messes no less.
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carnage-runner
Hmm what do you think I do?... Running is a facet of the game that can easily be exploited, along with many other things. Running is also one aspect to the game that some people enjoy doing. It also is great for new players who don't know much about where they are or what to do. "Go die and watch" Respect the runner and the runnee. No sense in abusing someone elses ignorance. Point in fact, running is part of the game like many other things, and as such can be abused. Oh btw... First char, lvl 12 Necro at BP->Droks for 2.5K. Best 2.5K I think I ever spent:P
Tutis Evito
man if i see someone advertising for KC runs i just start advertising the run for free, it takes 30secs and it shuts the scammers up
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man if i see someone advertising for KC runs i just start advertising the run for free, it takes 30secs and it shuts the scammers up
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Tutis Evito
pfft....whinge whinge whinge.... if someone is at the market selling a apple for £1 where next to him was a farmer standing in an orchad offer free apples, the guy selling them for £1 would be trying to scam me into buying one....the word scam is down to your own interpretation here, dont flame.
carnage-runner
Well you gotta see the logic behind the word "scam" implying someone is being cheated out of something. Say abuse, or taking advantage of. Those are way more accurate for the current topic. Say I tell you i'll run KC for 25K. Because it's super super hard and long. But I'll need the money up front. Then we go in and i laugh at you and Lol you and call you a NOOB and a tOoL and such. Then leave. There's a good scam. But if I tell you all of that and do the run. It was my opinion that you believed. I took advantage of the fact that you didn't know anything about the area. Not scam.
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pfft....whinge whinge whinge.... if someone is at the market selling a apple for £1 where next to him was a farmer standing in an orchad offer free apples, the guy selling them for £1 would be trying to scam me into buying one....the word scam is down to your own interpretation here, dont flame.
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mr_stealth
I think the original intention for running (primarily droks) was for PvPers to be able to cap and unlock elites without being forced to go through the entire PvE storyline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe at that elites had to be unlocked via cap sig in the early days of the game. The original intent for runs isn't really a valid point anymore, with faction unlocks and PvP skillpacks making skills available without ever making a PvE character.
The locked gates in more recent campaigns give the message that PvE characters made for PvE play were not supposed to be skipping past storyline missions. It would have been a lot work to go back and add this system to prophecies, so it was held off until Factions. If being able to get to any town without playing your way through the game was an intended feature, we would not have locked gates and the "guild hall ferry" glitch would not have been fixed (or at least not as quickly as it was fixed).
The locked gates in more recent campaigns give the message that PvE characters made for PvE play were not supposed to be skipping past storyline missions. It would have been a lot work to go back and add this system to prophecies, so it was held off until Factions. If being able to get to any town without playing your way through the game was an intended feature, we would not have locked gates and the "guild hall ferry" glitch would not have been fixed (or at least not as quickly as it was fixed).
cosyfiep
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Various reasons - maybe you just want to goof off in the UW with your guild and have to have a specific elite, maybe you like being a "god" in low level areas, maybe you like doing something other than what cosyfiep does (and since you are not the God of Gaming and are able to declare all things Fun or Not Fun I can see where others disagree).
For myself I don't care much for runs on "mains" - they are where they are through their own volition. But for a farming character? They aren't there to play, they are there to acquire gold - I don't really enjoy playing a monk or ritualist but I do find some farming runs enjoyable with them - why should I then spend how many hours of not having fun to get to that point? Then there are things that used to not be possible but now are. The last run I got was on my Canthan born necro to cap Spiteful Spirit once she unlocked Tyria (she was level 20 at the time and past Vizunah Square - I decided to change from Death to Curse). It was *less* abusive than my re-roll of a ranger who purchased an elite ranger tome at level two and learn "Barrage". Was that Evil(Tm) and avoiding playing the character? Why is that remotely worse than purchasing an Elite Necro tome - that is even *less* playing than the run! (in my case it was the fourth time I had capped the skill). Both are obviously part of the game mechanics. Meh, the purpose of a game is to have fun, if I'm not doing that then something is wrong. Of course, if my definition of "fun" is to ruin others gaming time (read griefers, kill stealer's, and other types of disruptive individuals) then no, that doesn't count in what I am talking about. However there are quite a few reasons to purchase a run. I tend to agree that if you are using runners to avoid playing the game then why "play"? But then I suspect few are really doing that if for no other reason than the cost needed for a runner ensures quite a bit of playing to get to that level (or e-bay gold, which generally results in a perma-ban). In the end I would rather have an individual purchasing chapters/expansion and helping keep the game alive yet not playing in the way I would than being "pure" and having a dead game. Of course, that is your choice and many seem to indicate they would rather have a dead game - but then Anet more or less sides with me on this one (now, if only they would have on the BMP debacle). |
goofing off in the UW still would require a level 20 character who has done some of the game play----also ok. The ones I more have problems with are the level 4 in the bone palace who CANT go anywhere without a group since he will die (even with his spiffffy new max armor)....
Your reasons are valid so I see no problem with them. As has been pointed out many people NEW to the game are getting runs as well, and never taking the time to learn how to play, that defeats the purpose.
(and Red, yes I can quit and have many times for extended periods.....and I dont even think about gw when I am not at home in front of my computer. The reason for having more characters is to replay the game....once ele A has finished all three chapters and eton and has all the skills and titles, she is boring, so I make a new ele ---ele B and start again, I dont delete she may get out and do UW or such or collect armor, so I keep A around.)
(and also I express my opinions, not as an insult but in a well thought out manner on the subject that was put before us....not as an insult to anyone.)
MithranArkanere
Better they run to cap, that cap inside a mission and leave, by the way.
Komerad
What do I Think of runners?
I did not know that Prince Rurik died till last proph mission
(Reason for that is : I simply skip all the movies)
I play with a strict schedule, Do runs too, places and towns. Now I have run my mule accounts d/a and m/me from kamadan to Lutgardis for some powerleveling.. again this fits the schedule as I need tons of factions
But afterwards they can do some runs for my other character when one needs one (only eotn atfh run will be handy to give myself ^^)
I did not know that Prince Rurik died till last proph mission
(Reason for that is : I simply skip all the movies)
I play with a strict schedule, Do runs too, places and towns. Now I have run my mule accounts d/a and m/me from kamadan to Lutgardis for some powerleveling.. again this fits the schedule as I need tons of factions
But afterwards they can do some runs for my other character when one needs one (only eotn atfh run will be handy to give myself ^^)
arsie
I always rat on people selling runs from Marketplace to Kaineng City.
As for runs, I only did the Drok's run on my 6th character (I created him to get free skills), but I am quite glad I got a desert tour and a south shiverspeak tour on my 1st character.
Nightfall is a paradox. Max armour is so easy to get (I've got a few docks ferries), but yet they put all the hurdles for getting to Kodash Bazaar.
As for runs, I only did the Drok's run on my 6th character (I created him to get free skills), but I am quite glad I got a desert tour and a south shiverspeak tour on my 1st character.
Nightfall is a paradox. Max armour is so easy to get (I've got a few docks ferries), but yet they put all the hurdles for getting to Kodash Bazaar.
enter_the_zone
I pay for runners for things like RoM and Great Destroyer. Sure, I could do these myself, and did the first time, but I really can't be bothered to redo the on char number 7.
I tend to run myself places using my brothers account if I want to skip content. I've also done a few runs from Boreal Station to Doomlore Shrine for people to get CoF for 600ing, or Longeye Ledge for Glacial Farming. I don't tend to charge for these, as I normally run one of my own chars who needs a place at the same time.
I have no problem with any amount of running or power leveling, it's a useful tool for bringing on characters who would otherwise never make lvl20. That said, being run your first time through the game is not something I would do, except maybe Droks had I known about it.
Mission runs are useful for classes which may find it difficult to H/H or Pug an area or for people who just want to progress consistently, not retry a mission 4 times or more (THK M+B springs to mind)
And Marketplace to KC isn't a run, it's a scam. In the same way that a con-man scams people out of money.
Also, those who get a run, and then don't pay, are slime. Really, wtf is that about? If you agree to a price, you pay it. Try to have some honor. Oh wait, human shaped pussbags have no honor or morals or integrity.
I tend to run myself places using my brothers account if I want to skip content. I've also done a few runs from Boreal Station to Doomlore Shrine for people to get CoF for 600ing, or Longeye Ledge for Glacial Farming. I don't tend to charge for these, as I normally run one of my own chars who needs a place at the same time.
I have no problem with any amount of running or power leveling, it's a useful tool for bringing on characters who would otherwise never make lvl20. That said, being run your first time through the game is not something I would do, except maybe Droks had I known about it.
Mission runs are useful for classes which may find it difficult to H/H or Pug an area or for people who just want to progress consistently, not retry a mission 4 times or more (THK M+B springs to mind)
And Marketplace to KC isn't a run, it's a scam. In the same way that a con-man scams people out of money.
Also, those who get a run, and then don't pay, are slime. Really, wtf is that about? If you agree to a price, you pay it. Try to have some honor. Oh wait, human shaped pussbags have no honor or morals or integrity.
Bluefeather
Runners are great help if you really want to be good at this game.
Prophecy - my Ranger Character was in Drok's at level 1 and got my first elite before i even reach level 5.
Faction - i don't have a good experience here. only played for a short period of time. retired as soon as my assassin made it to level 20. i never asked anyone to run for me.
Nightfall run is essential (the one that will bring you to dock to buy the armor). I paid 500g, bought my armor, played until i reach level 10 in the first map together with Koss. Went to GW:EN. Capped my first elite skill before I got my second profession. Recruited Livia (and other heroes that you automatically get along the story line).
I was able to do those things because I have a good armor which i got at level 2. My first character did well (Derv) but i never got the armor at the early stage of the game because i didn't know that armor was only that near.
Now i am doing it better (Paragon). Thanks to NF Dock Runners!
Prophecy - my Ranger Character was in Drok's at level 1 and got my first elite before i even reach level 5.
Faction - i don't have a good experience here. only played for a short period of time. retired as soon as my assassin made it to level 20. i never asked anyone to run for me.
Nightfall run is essential (the one that will bring you to dock to buy the armor). I paid 500g, bought my armor, played until i reach level 10 in the first map together with Koss. Went to GW:EN. Capped my first elite skill before I got my second profession. Recruited Livia (and other heroes that you automatically get along the story line).
I was able to do those things because I have a good armor which i got at level 2. My first character did well (Derv) but i never got the armor at the early stage of the game because i didn't know that armor was only that near.
Now i am doing it better (Paragon). Thanks to NF Dock Runners!