Rare Minipets

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/unsigned. This game is already casual enough. And everyone shouldnt have everything just given to them. A person who spends 4,000 hours playing this game should have more to show for it than a person who spent 200 hours. I know about the whole skill>time thing. But that doesnt matter in this case.

There wouldn't be a "poor" if everyone had an equal platform to do things from.

If this idea was implemented, it would give your average to above-average player the chance to actually achieve an ultra-rare mini, even if it was only 0.00001% or so, which I think would be fair. Right now, without e-baying, uber-farming, or something like that, it is in no way possible to get a super rare mini.

Hear my plea, at least give the average player a chance to match the minipet elitists.

Just may I ask this one request of you who do not support this?

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

Did you not read my posts? Did you never learn to read? Just because you're bad at getting gold doesn't mean everyone is. The ones smart enough can make that kind of money without super farming or ebaying. If you want to put your trash poem on here, then start paying Anet $15 a month and then go complain about how it's unfair Asia gets minipet drawings and we don't.

I own one of those, but I can't really see why they should be exclusive if other pets are made public. How come the Rollerbeetle is exclusive to you?

So, cutting through the BS, you're pretty much saying that you want to give poor players a chance to become rich by winning an ultra-rare mini.

And I say that idea sucks for reasons posted before in this thread, that if you don't actually win the minipet for something worthwhile and appreciate what you've done, there will be no personal worth in the minipet, and they've just become toys of the economy.

/unsigned

I say:

- Each end-chest has a very rare rate of dropping miniature of the one of the creatures you have to defeat to get the chest. If the creature is the Final Boss, better.
- Each creature has an ULTRA LOW rate of dropping its own miniature if it exists.

The pint is that HoM removes miniatures from part of the market. So someday there won't be more, and that increases too much the prices of the remaining ones.

Meh why should you care? This is a game. There are ppl who are busy in life and can not play this game much. But there are also ppl who does not have anything to do in life so they waste their time (or life) in the game. They get good drops. They get good number appear on the computer graphic. You may get rare miniatures but so what? It is nothing more than another extra toon appear in your COMPUTER -,-" You are not even allowed to sell your account lol! What's the point?

This game should only be for you to play and laugh not play and get angry and waste your time/energy for it -,-"

Or maybe they just like Zhed and would like a mini of him? That's why I want a Vizu, but I don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of having a chance of an opportunity of getting one...

[wiki]Miniature Ghostly Hero[/wiki]

Worthwhile? Most of them were distributed by games of chance.

this would also be a way i would agree too.

But how get then pets, that have no monsters to kill for ?

How get minipets, like Zhed, Vizu(Nika), Panda, and so on ...


This is also too a reason, why those pets MUST become alot more common...

because everytime someone dedicates one of them, they become even alot more rare, because the sum, that is something really "worth" for all of us collectors out there are undedicated minipets, so that we can put them on our own HoM..., thus decreasing the amount of usable minipets...

Not to mention, that there exist sure lots of stupid idiots ,which got eventiually 2 of them and just deleted then 1maybe...to reduce the amount of them, to make their other one even more worth.... and thats just griefing imo and abusing the stupid suply/demand system of GW to become more easily super rich....


When those gold buyers and uber farmers need really such super rare stuff, just to have something with that they can become even more super rich, till the point of becoming unable to become more richer, cause of complete full storage chest of 999 Platin and 999 Gold and complete full characters of minimum 8x 100Platin per character ... and a storage chest full of endless slots a 250 ectos/slot...when you people reach this, what will you do then ???

Whine about being unable to become even more riche,r when you are all still legendary Dagobert Ducks ????

When this is really the case, then should anet give those people simple something else, what will have a high demand, will be uber rare, BUT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HALL OF MONUMENTS AND WILL BE TOTALLY UNINTERESTING FOR COLLECTORS, but not Minipets ...

They should not stay in the focus of being super rare...super rare can be imo rare materials...

for example implement some new rare materials, like:

Damascus, Orichalcum or Mythril... the 3 most known strongest sorts of Metals in RPG-Games and in the Fantasy Scene at all.

Especially Orichalcum and Mythril, which are also known for their magical effects are also known for their extreme rarity.


So, implement these know, and combine them for example now for something, that already exists ingame, has absolutely nothing to do with the HoM and is totally uninteresting for Collectors:

The Solution is:

Armbraces of Truth.

On the normal way, a player needs 15 Anguish Jewels of all 4 sorts to be able to trade them for 1 Armbrace....

let us say now, that you can exchange then instead of the jewels also somethign else.

say you can exchange 1 Armbrace for 1 Mythril or 1 Armbrace for 5 Orichalcum or 1 Armbrace for 10 Damascus ....

Or give those 3 new materials an other reason for existence:

say you can use them for pve only at some special legendary blacksmith npcs, which can then be found only in 3 different elite areas to be able to REFINE your equipment (those refinements get then resetted for PvP)

With Damascus for example you will be able to refine up to 3 times your maximum strength of your Weapons.
With Mythril you will be able to increase maximum 3 times your defense power of your armory
And with orichalcum you would be able to give either weapons or armory up to 2 times some special extra bonus effects)


Each tier of refine will cost then naturally more of those materials.

To refine your Weapon from T0 to T1, you need then 10 Damascus, T2 then 25 Damascus and T3 then 50

Same with Mythril, Orichalcum would need for T1 25 and for T2 then 50

A Max Sword T0 has then 15-22 Damage, with T1 it would be then 17-24, with T2 then 18-26 and with T3 then 20-30

Max Armor of a Warrior 80(100) would be then with T1 88 (110) with T2 100(125) and with T3 then 115(150)
The numbers in () say the amount, when you wear with 13 strength the stronger Armor Mod....

For Orichalcum used on Weapon:

T1 would increase critical rate of the Weapons attribute by 10%
T2 would give the Character a 10% chance to auto counterattack, when parried attacks with the Weapon (Melee) or give attacks a 10% Armor Penetration (ranged)

Orichalcum used on Armory

T1 would increase the maximum Health Points by 10 (Head, Hands, Feet), by 25 (Legs) and by 50 (Chest) (max + 105)
T2 would increase the maximum Energy by 2 (H,H,F), by 3 (L) and by 6 (C) (max + 15)

This way would have all those hardcore gamers

1. somethign they could aim for for very long time (thus having long term motivation to perfectionize their pve characters)

2. something for hardcore powertrading, that doesn't have anything to do with the Hall of Monuments at least and there is also no real sense in collecting those items,. because its either best to sell them asap for good money, or to use them for as said character improvement for pve ...

Miniatures of non-hostile NPCs would be acquirable in Gifts in events. With an extremely low rate, or by killing bosses of races hated by those NPCs.

I'll tell ya what, all you cry babies that are moaning about this why don't you PM me your address and I'll mail you some gift certifictes to BooHOoger King and you can get a Whaa Burger and some French Cries, hows that sound?

Minis have no effect ont eh fgame in any way shape or form other than the HoM wich is fail anyway, the Deves have wasted ALOT of their own time creating them.

And just to make you cry, I delete mini pets, yeah, thats right, I open the gift and into the little trash icon they go. buh bye stupid mini.

Eh...
Mate.
Ok?

Now back to the issue.
Lasting items that would get their prices increased over time, thus increasing inflation, and that require a way to have everlasting income, so their prices do not go 'kaboom' when most of them are removed from the market. Beign either 'used up' (dedicated) or destroyed.


Currently there are some miniatures with unlimited sources. Like the Mallyx and Ghostly Hero mnatures. But some won't be given anymore, like the pig, Kuunavang or Varesh.
But if they unified the Polymock and Miniature system, they could make them drop in the same way as polymock pieces.

/signed

till Anet removes ALL duped items from the game...

It's unfair not having half a chance to buy an ultra-rare mini cause u don't own XXX duped armbraces...
Check high end section for the winning bids of top 3-4 rarest minis...

..those who think that today they can get an ultra rare mini if they "work hard to get it" they can keep on dreaming...

indeed keep them rare

Hi. Go take economics again. A minipet's price isn't going to double just because one of them is gone from the market. In fact, no one even knows that. Only someone stupid like you would have two of a rare minipet and delete one. A smart person would sell both.

Ok i know this has branched around a lot random discussion a lot of what your argueing about wasnt even part of the original idea so read the first post for an updated argument refining my purpose of this suggestion

Maybe there are some people that want a way to get money without hard core PvE-ing all the time. Out of the last 1,000 hours I put into GW, maybe 25 was in PvE. Now I have about 2.5k to my name. I'd like to be able to buy some equipment for my PvE characters so I can use them in PvP and not have them go to waste. There is currently no way for me to make money without relegating to PvE, which I'd rather not do, I personally find it terribly boring.

In the current market, it is near impossible to sell my Zaishen Keys, I spent a good deal of time zoning between Kamadan and Great Temple of Balth, LA, and other places to try to sell my keys, and not one pm or anything. No one wants them. Currently there is a very slim chance of getting an item from there that is worth getting. I decided to just use my Keys on the chest, because I obviously wasn't going to sell them. I got a few Firewaters, Crem Brulees, and a req 12 gold hammer, and a req 13 soul reaping wand.

I never buy Zaishen Keys anymore, I just stick to Tournament Tokens, because then I can at least use them for something worthwhile.

Basically, the point of my story is, there needs to be a way for PvP players to get money. Currently, there is none. I'd like to have at least a hope to maybe have more than 30k at a time for once in my GW existence.

/signed


I am one of those people that like collecting mini pets and aside from wanting some sort of special bank for them i would love to somehow have some of the more rare ones available, because all those ones that were avail only in europe or taiwan isnt fair....OP stated a valid way to give them out to keep them still rare while also providing people a chance to obtain the pet

Phoenix,

Guy, you missed the point. I wasn't suggesting you grind out the rare minis. I was suggesting that you choose not to worry about it... Read my post again and then reply if you feel the need.

All I was saying was that maybe you should try enjoying the game...

You know, following your logic everybody should be given anything that somebody else has and that they want.

Even though it might mean I could get one...
/notsigned

Sooner or later, all miniatures that do not appear in birthday presents will be dedicated. And the last one that is not dedicated would have an insane price.

That alone is reason enough to add unlimited sources for them.

And end-chests (HoH, Zaishen, Dungeon, Elite) are one of the best places to add them, with extremely low rates, of course.

OH, so this has nothing to do with minis, you just want free/easy/gimmee gold. There is no way for you to make money with out PvEing eh? Well there is no way for me to get a pizza without ordering one.

WHAA WHAA, "easier" is not the answer to anything, "work" is.

PvPers ussually don't have the time to grind out UW for money to afford Guest Invites/Guild Halls.

PvP-only accounts have the right to get complete guild halls to.

If they add the Xunlai Market, it should be in the Battle Isles, so even they could put the stuff they get in the HoH and Zaishen chests to sell while still playing.

I already enjoyed the game ....I've played through all campaigns, and guess what my new enjoy is now ???

right, collecting everything, that is putable for my HoM, to get it COMPLETE... it when i start collecting something, then I want to be able to collect EVERYTHING of something and not only the stuff, anet gives us only and the rest only to an other part of the player base.

All I want is to have at least a chance to get these minipets, without insane endless powerfarming or powertrading with gigantic amounts of ectos which are impossible to get, without grinding for them for years or farming gold for years and having luck in powertrades to get quicker on huge amounts of money, which mostly have only botters or gold buyers and cheaters which duped armbraces and got through the controls of anet savely without getting banned laughing their ass off

Anet should give us simple more alteratives to receive those minipets, after working for them, other then paying for them unhumaous amounts, becoming after that self extreme poor and making someone else insta super rich.

Would minipets not be a part of the Hall of Monuments, then this all would absolutely care me nothing, but they ARE part of it and thus resulting in a very important thing for collectors whiuch want to perfectionzie their HoM.
People, like me, which see in this the ultimate goal of "enjoyment" of the game, after playing all 3 campaigns and the Add on through ...

When you can't understand this, then you must have never collected something really with the wish to have all parts of the stuff, you collect...because that is the SENSE of collecting....you collect somethign with the goal to have ALL parts of what you try to collect, otherwise your collection will be ever UNCOMPLETE

And an uncomplete collection will be EVER a big thorn in your Eye... this is like, as if you try to become legendary survivor and then you die short after obtaining r1 and then you get forced to look ever at your unmaxed "uncomplete" title as it is now in GW so ...


What have people a problem with it, when Dngeons Chests would receive now also a little Chance, to drop those rare minipets ?

oh wow, that over some time the insane prices would decrease ?
OMFG, really this will be the doom of Guild Wars *sarcasm*

No super rare minipets anymore, no we will all stop playing, because we have then nothing anymore to become far much super rich, then we are all still ...be in on legal.. or illegal wise ...
As if Anet couldn't implement whenever they want new super rare items to make hardcore people happy again ... >.>


The important thing to me is only, that absolutely NOTHING, should be super rare with such insanous prices and limitations, what is anyhow related to the Hall of Monuments.

I think I made a good idea for a good super rare alternative for hardcore gamers with implementing 3 new super rare "rare" materials

the Damascus, the Orichalcum and Mythril, the 3 most strongest kinds of metals.

In my example post before I also stated i think a good way of implemention reason for them and what people could use these 3 mnew metals for, what has nothing to to about the HoM and lets them be total uninteresting for Collectors.
I will also post this idea soon in an own thread to explain it more and better



@Holymasamune: the one that needs to go back for economics is you, because when you don't know, what it means to the price of something, when somethign has a huge demand but the supply becomes more and more lesser, through dedications and deletions also, thus resulting in decreasing the limited supply...then you should shup up better.

If I sell now both rare minipets, or delete one and sel then the 2ns with a much higher price due to the decreasement of the supply, but with a never changing demand, which either stays ever same or even RAISES, thus having more people, willing to pay for my rare min,, what ever i want for it, to become willing to sell it..makes no DIFFERENCE, especially when through dedications and deletions the supply got (will get someday) reduced to only 1 of those rare minipets either existing ingame or being the last undedicated one, that is of worth for collectors...

so for example.. if i own now theoretically the last 2 Kanaxais of atm ONLY 28 ones existing ingame (not drawing off now the unknown amount of those ones of them, which are dedicated, or got eventually deleted by griefing idiots)
so, and could sell theoretically then both for like 8000+ k
that would make 16+k ...

if i delete now one ,resulting in the fact that i will own then the absolute LAST kanaxai out of 28, then I can theoretically insta DOUBLE the price of the last existing kanaxai....because i as owner of the last kanaxai can choose then freely, for what a price I'm willing to sell it....because the demand behind the last kanaxai will be gigantic....people will pay whatever I want...

imagine only, how high the bids on an auction would go, if i would sell for example now the LAST existing undedicated Kanaxai .... the bids would so easily raise far much higher up, than 16k+..believe me ...or not... as far i personally believe you, that you are super rich, without bottign or gold buying at all

OH, by the wa, Anet has already stated that they are planning to include more sources of those non-birthday miniatures.

WHERE ???

Show me please !!!!!

Here you are.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile/Frog_Talk/20071217

True, as is:

GWs players usually don't have the time to go to work for money to afford more campains/expansions.

Yes thats a bit of a drastic example, but you see my point? Prioritise, sometimes that 1 hour of farming has to be done. My hour yesterday was fantastic, btw.

They do, and Zashien chests and the HoH chest are ways to do that, albiet very poor ways to compensate, also see my statement above.

@Pheonix

Your economics lodgic is epic fail. Your ONCE IN A LIFETIME end all be of A ONE Reamining Mini does not set the standard for pricing, the ENTIRE GWs world would have to know A) that there is one left B) find out who has it C) have that person know they have it D) give a shit about it.

the link that was posted for gaile talk says there will be more CONTESTS for in-game asian miniatures, but what about those of us that can't be in contests or tournaments

Then you buy the miniature to those that get them.

The point is that their number stays with a limited range. So new miniatures replace the used up ones, without filling the market with too much of the most rare ones.

/notsigned

if everyone could have em it wouldnt be fun to have em :P

not only that but you'd be ripping the ppl who paid a thousand+ ectos for thier high end mini off

thats not nice >_<

/sign if ONLY with the following:
Zaishen keys are customize. To prevent "UBER RICH" players to start buying 1000k keys or more, since 1000+ keys is only bout 3 mil or so, and a kanaxai would worth more. Customized Zaishen keys would lead players to "earn" their keys and chance to get a rare mini. This would make it even rarer.

A rare mini would get out every 6 months is a good time.

/notsign if anything else.

I lol'ed ..what do you really believe, how long we should play GW1, just to collect all minipets, if we want to ...

10 years ? 20 years ? get serious >.>

/notsigned

We should get kittens from the Zaishen Chest.

I don't know about you, but when I turn on Guild Wars, I don't want it to feel like "work". If I want that, I'll do overtime at my real job, at least I'll get paid there.

I bolded the key part. It isn't required. You do it because you choose to. If playing this game for 10 years isn't enjoyable, then why play it. If you aren't enjoying the challenge, they why do you want to collect everything? Collecting everything is by definition an extra and unneccassary challenge.

It is like me and my drunkard title. People say it is usless. Or a waste of money. Or time. But I want it, so I do it. If you want the proverbal "it", but don't want to actually want to do "it," then why are you doing it in the first place.

If you want to make your PvE guys PvP ready, then you have to be willing to pay for it. GW already allows you to make PvP characters.

Maybe if you lowered your prices, you'd get easy sells. There's ALMOST ALWAYS someone who wants Zaishen Keys if you check between Temple, Kamadan, and LA, usually for 2-2.5k each.

Again, why do you need money? You can get all your skills and runes through balthazar's faction. Having a pimped PvE character is a privilege, not a right. I hate PvP elitists who think they should have it all

and whats funny about that is pvp elitists generally do have it all ^_^

Hahaha dream on noobs

whats real funny is that the guy who created this thread sounds like a comunist LOL, u want everything to be equal like and mini-pets easier attainable...i went from rags to riches easily, why because i know how to farm and manipulate the game...its not hard, yea i wish i had a panda or some uber rare minis but instead of complaining about it, i work at it and everyday im a little bit closer. If you really want to put this into context u can think of the game as a capitalist society. There are different social classes: poor, middle, and upper classes. AND some ppl get lucky and hit the "lottery" so to say, BTW anet has had a contest recently which released ALOT of rare minis to random players, ZOMG keep something rare in the game, something when u finally get it, u feel accomplished. FYI not all rich ppl in the game are gold buyers and dupers or whatever u wanna call them only a select few ROFL^^ not naming any names, but you know who you are lol, random contests FTL