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Originally Posted by aapo
- What elitism?
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Originally Posted by aapo
What is gone? Skill>time in PvE? Tell me when PvE has been about skill.
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Should we have some way of showing our "real" level ingame?
Bryant Again
Shakti
Well...no. My ss necro that dualed uw has a TON of exp....never did much else with her. My 55 from back in the day has possibly more exp than my ele who's my main at this point, I haven't ever thought to look. Exp does not equal played by any means.
Pleikki
I kinda like that idea
bj91x
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Originally Posted by Blu
Sure, btw elitism isn't a problem, who uses PuG's?
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Originally Posted by Ruricu
Moreover, who plays with people?
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I think it would be interesting to see something like this. Sure, it's nothing that affects gameplay, but it just seems interesting. Even more so if it creates more "elitism" for noobs. If some noob only wants to see lvl xx player, I know he sucks at the game and wouldn't want to play with him.
aapo
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Maybe it's not elitism so much as it is discrimination, you're right.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Pre-PvE skills mostly. Things could be accomplished by going with the "holy trinity", but it wasn't terribly quick or effective, just mindless.
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shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
As for this topic, I kinda feel the KOBD title track shows some representation of a players lvl, though I've got 10million Exp I am only rank 2 "People Know Me".
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I don't know where the hell people are comming from with these bs ideas that spending time grinding through titles actually means you have skill. Yes, some titles can be used to assess general skill/competence, but in the end you could always pay someone to do it.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by aapo
- Discrimination is a lot better word. As we all know, PUGs suck because couple of bad apples will ruin the whole basket. If we would have accurate information about person's past success we could rule out noobs and jackasses in theory. Then PUGing would be enjoyable again and the world would rejoice. UB shows that people *do* enjoy PUGing when it's clearly beneficial for them. High rank titles also shows that you're up for the task and really went out of your way to become effective.
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Was the holy trinity any better? Same mindless Glyph of Sac + Meteor Shower and Obsidian Tanks it was. Not using correct build = kick from the group. Biggest decision you made was when you decided you wanted to be creative and rolled a Mesmer or Paragon. There's no explaining that Paragon with maxed There's Nothing to Fear and Save Yourselves is a lot better than bonder, because majority of PvE folk are either noobs or wikibuild users.
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Discrimination can never be helped, and UB doesn't fix this. Don't have GW:EN? /kick. And even if that Mesmer did have GW:EN he's probably not playing how he wants (if he wanted to hit things, why not roll a Warrior?)
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People are stupid and stupid people need stupid clickfest of Ursan Blessing.
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strcpy
The problem is that there is *no* way for a title to ever accurately reflect a players skill.
My Dervish stayed at rank 5 LB for ages - I achieved that well before the introduction of HM. When I would enter areas i would get TONS of blind invites, so many that I eventually chose to display another title and only changed once in an explorable. I stayed at rank 5 for a LONG time (after that much grinding I avoided it), in fact I didn't hit max rank until the very last (Jan. 08) double SS/LB points weekend - I went from so many blind invites I couldn't block them to being laughed at for being a noob if I wanted a group.
Even then. given someone who is displaying Legendary Guardian may have very well payed some one to complete it while someone with a plain protector is a MUCH better player - heck even more true if it is a tertiary character being considered (I have ten characters - other than account wide titles my Ritualist has none).
*shrug* I H/H and they don't really care much one way or another. I would like them to have no level cap as far as they can (there is no way to have a truly infinite cap), in fact I would also like a title linked to exp - but oh well, hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen either. Of course, the people who complain that no one PUGS anymore and still requires said titles is, well, amusing (and seems to be the most common player), but again the AI is quite willing to conclude they are idiots also
My Dervish stayed at rank 5 LB for ages - I achieved that well before the introduction of HM. When I would enter areas i would get TONS of blind invites, so many that I eventually chose to display another title and only changed once in an explorable. I stayed at rank 5 for a LONG time (after that much grinding I avoided it), in fact I didn't hit max rank until the very last (Jan. 08) double SS/LB points weekend - I went from so many blind invites I couldn't block them to being laughed at for being a noob if I wanted a group.
Even then. given someone who is displaying Legendary Guardian may have very well payed some one to complete it while someone with a plain protector is a MUCH better player - heck even more true if it is a tertiary character being considered (I have ten characters - other than account wide titles my Ritualist has none).
*shrug* I H/H and they don't really care much one way or another. I would like them to have no level cap as far as they can (there is no way to have a truly infinite cap), in fact I would also like a title linked to exp - but oh well, hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen either. Of course, the people who complain that no one PUGS anymore and still requires said titles is, well, amusing (and seems to be the most common player), but again the AI is quite willing to conclude they are idiots also
combatchuck
I thought for a long time that it would be a cool title. Upon further reflection, I think it would just cast a light on how much somebody farms. I know people with 20 and 30 million XP, and by that title they would be gods. I can see that leading to a lot of exclusion for people that don't farm.
It's interesting to figure it out on your own, though. My main has 6.6 million XP over 30 months. That puts me at an imaginary level of 453.
Where n equals your experience:
(n-182600)/15000+23 = your imaginary level
You can plug this right into Google and it will solve for you.
It's interesting to figure it out on your own, though. My main has 6.6 million XP over 30 months. That puts me at an imaginary level of 453.
Where n equals your experience:
(n-182600)/15000+23 = your imaginary level
You can plug this right into Google and it will solve for you.
Cacheelma
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Regardless of whether there's a good reason to do so or not, noobs are still going to discrimate and use it to boost E-peen.
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Hyper.nl
I would like to see a 'virtual level' of the characters. Just for informational purpose; it gives players who have been playing a certain character for a long time an extra way to distinguish themselves.
Uber Mass
tons of Exp doesnt reflect real experience at all. Farm chars or creating new chars can give wrong expectations then imo....
If you pug its always a gamble what the person can or cant do...
If you pug its always a gamble what the person can or cant do...
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Arkhan
It's bad enough some titles causes discrimination. Meh it is not like I am puging anymore anyway.
zwei2stein
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People are stupid and stupid people need stupid clickfest of Ursan Blessing.
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And they have no place being in areas where ursan is necessary for *them* to succeed. Seriously, whole of NM is big enough for stupid person to screw around until he learns his stuff.
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Actually this thread is kinda sad ... wtf is be point of having bigger number? Are you people so sad that having such e-peen thing will actually increase your enjoyment of game?
Lagg
Put it in the /age command where no one else can see it.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Ctb
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Good players don't PUG
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Malice Black
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Only bad players don't PUG.
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Guildies>H/H>PUG
silv3rr
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Originally Posted by Antheus
I'm over nine thousand.
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baz777
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Originally Posted by Ctb
Only bad players don't PUG.
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1. Guildies
2. Hero/Hench
3. Stick red hot pins in my eyes
4. Pluck out my pubic hair with tweezers
5. Ask the wife if she needs any money
6. PUG
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Lagg
Put it in the /age command where no one else can see it.
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Malice Black
I dunno...I'd swap 4&5 tbh 
baz777
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I dunno...I'd swap 4&5 tbh
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ensoriki
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Our "real" level is shown by kicking someone elses ass.
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They might have skid marks
Abedeus
What if someone is a gal? I can't kick a dudie in her butt, that's harassment.
And they can kick me back, in a much worse place.
And still... I would to see that someone is OVER NINE HUNDRED!!!! level.
And they can kick me back, in a much worse place.
And still... I would to see that someone is OVER NINE HUNDRED!!!! level.
Kusandaa
Would filter some bad players, but not the a-hole type of players - as much as he's got experience, he's still an a-hole that likes to make you look like crap for his own e-peen.
However, still might not show "skill" - I play a lot on my necromancer (nearly 15 million exp) while I don't play my nuker much (I think I did hit the 1 million mark a few weeks back). Doesn't mean I can't play a decent nuker.
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Explain why I encounter Healing Hands+Vig. spirit+Healing Breeze W/Mo's in FoW, who think they're the best thing since sliced bread and whine at you, saying you're a noob for not letting him run that in a high enchantment strip/shatter area.
I don't know, but I'd rather run with my guildies who know what they're doing - therefore are good - than facing yet another HH wammo, which is often a bad thing...
However, still might not show "skill" - I play a lot on my necromancer (nearly 15 million exp) while I don't play my nuker much (I think I did hit the 1 million mark a few weeks back). Doesn't mean I can't play a decent nuker.
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Only bad players don't PUG.
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I don't know, but I'd rather run with my guildies who know what they're doing - therefore are good - than facing yet another HH wammo, which is often a bad thing...
Nemo the Capitalist
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/win.
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Crom The Pale
PvP is Skill > Time.
PvE is Time > Skill.
Not really sure why so many people have a hard time figuring that out.
There is a reason they added Birthday Presents to the game......now if they had customized them then they might be used as a means of showing off the true age/level of a char. Since they can be bought and sold they serve no purpose now, except for the HoM.
While we do already have titles to show off individual accomplishments, Protector/Guardian/Vanquisher/Skill Caping/Cartographer, what I think the OP is asking for is a single means of summing up all of our chars accomplishments at once.
PvE is Time > Skill.
Not really sure why so many people have a hard time figuring that out.
There is a reason they added Birthday Presents to the game......now if they had customized them then they might be used as a means of showing off the true age/level of a char. Since they can be bought and sold they serve no purpose now, except for the HoM.
While we do already have titles to show off individual accomplishments, Protector/Guardian/Vanquisher/Skill Caping/Cartographer, what I think the OP is asking for is a single means of summing up all of our chars accomplishments at once.
Isileth
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PvP is Skill > Time.
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Especially as it was advertised as skill>time (PvE included)
Limu Tolkki
Something like this is needed tbh. However it should be accountwide and not lvls you get by getting xp as its too easy to get a lot of xp and no experience. Accountwide titles w/o benefits would be the thing.
Olim Chill
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Only bad players don't PUG.
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ensoriki
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PvP is Skill > Time.
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it's
Guild wars Time > skill
Guild wars pvp 1/2 time 1/2 skill or something like that
You know. Rank can take some time to get, unlocking all pvp skills.
Glad Points, Hero whatever points
Obsidian armor, Jesus sword, etc.
EmptySkull
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PvP is Skill > Time.
PvE is Time > Skill. Not really sure why so many people have a hard time figuring that out. snipp... |
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Bryant Again
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QFT. I don't to this day understand why people can't wrap their minds around this. With PvE anytime you can repeat something over and over you will eventual succeed.
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Ctb
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In other words: Hey smart guy, if you're going to take the time to post an opinion, at least spend the extra minute to provide a sentence or two to support it.
Magikarp
horrible idea once you realize how many of us are well over 10 mill from just farming....
my warrior and sin have some disturbing amount of exp, and im sure others do too... and tbh, that doesnt constitue REAL exp. ANYONE can farm for hours on in mindlessly....
my warrior and sin have some disturbing amount of exp, and im sure others do too... and tbh, that doesnt constitue REAL exp. ANYONE can farm for hours on in mindlessly....
EmptySkull
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If you're build sucks, you're not going to get very far. Like PvP, you have to know what to do and know what works.
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I stand by my opinion though. In PvE, skill is not required. Therefore Time>Skill. But in PvP skill is required to be good. Because skill is the only real variable there. So the more Skill you have > than the time you have played. Everything else is balanced.
For example. One could purchase Guild wars and purchase all the PvP packs. They will be equal to everyone else. The only variable will be how they know the game. After practice they will get better by honing their knowledge or "Skill". Then take a person that plays PvE. He has 1000's of hours played like myself. I have equal equipment. I am 99.9% uax. I would get owned in PvP, because I don't know the game like that person who only purchased the PvP game. Sure I have skill against PvE monsters but I don't have real skill against another human. I could learn it. It would be required for me to do so if I want to succeed in PvP.
So this is really why showing what your true level with xp would be moot in GW. Because after level 20 it doesn't mean anything. Although now after I have gotten a very high virtual level on my main, it would be for vanity, cool to display my level 600+. It wouldn't add to anything but just that, vanity.
Bryant Again
I left out your other statement because it was a bit empty: How is skill not "required" in PvE?
Skill in PvE is vastly different than PvP, I will say that. In PvE, if your team build sucks then you won't do so well. If you don't know what to do in a mission, you won't do so well.
In PvE it's less a matter of skill and more a matter of knowledge. You have to know the overall working of an area so you know what build you should bring, you have to know how to do the mission, what the requirements are for a bonus, what builds work in PvE, and so on and so forth.
One could say "oh that's easy, all you need to know is all this stuff!", well that's a whole lot of stuff to learn. And if it was so easy to learn then pugs wouldn't be largely associated with failure.
Skill in PvE is vastly different than PvP, I will say that. In PvE, if your team build sucks then you won't do so well. If you don't know what to do in a mission, you won't do so well.
In PvE it's less a matter of skill and more a matter of knowledge. You have to know the overall working of an area so you know what build you should bring, you have to know how to do the mission, what the requirements are for a bonus, what builds work in PvE, and so on and so forth.
One could say "oh that's easy, all you need to know is all this stuff!", well that's a whole lot of stuff to learn. And if it was so easy to learn then pugs wouldn't be largely associated with failure.
hurdlebeast
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Hmm a title that includes:
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MithranArkanere
Just time and XP won't do. Thanks to farmers...
The missions, quests, etc made should count to the equation too.
The missions, quests, etc made should count to the equation too.