Oh No.. not another Zaishen chest thread...
but seriously with its introduction, people (uber rich people, you know who you are)were outrage because they believe that it will destroy the already messed up economy of GW, after a month of having a zaishen chest, did it really messedep up the GW economy or was it false fear, or will it still affect us in the long run.
no flamers please.
Did Zaishen Chests really messed up GW economy?
PinoyRurik
aapo
No I didn't.
ShadowsRequiem
Not really inscript has always sold for less and always will. It still is very hard to get the very rare cathan skins which are still very popular(Half of these dont even drop inscript yet).
Stolen Souls
Naw, it didn't.
Unless adding 64516846486464684967 Crem Brulees to the market ruined it.
Unless adding 64516846486464684967 Crem Brulees to the market ruined it.
Kattar
No, it was messed up long before that. 
I MP I
Nope. The economy has been messed up for ages. Non-inscribable items are still worth more than their inscribable counterparts.
ensoriki
If 1 chest destroys an economy it would of been removed.
The economy was screwed since prophecies.
We call it the 55 I think?
The economy was screwed since prophecies.
We call it the 55 I think?
Kattar
I called it the HM...
Captain Miken
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If 1 chest destroys an economy it would of been removed.
The economy was screwed since prophecies. We call it the 55 I think? |
Why'd you have to remove them, ANet!?!?
Crom The Pale
Yes it did!
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem?
No this isnt a blast at PvP players, yes they deserve a reward. However didn't they get thier elite skin unlocks as a reward?
After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced.
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem?
No this isnt a blast at PvP players, yes they deserve a reward. However didn't they get thier elite skin unlocks as a reward?
After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced.
KycooGhost
IMO the only this that it messed up was the most high end items, and even they aren't common drops from the chest. I don't think that it messed it up at all. If it were to start dropping mins than it might be a little more of a problem.
lol would be nice to get a mini Ghostly Hero from the Z-Chest
lol would be nice to get a mini Ghostly Hero from the Z-Chest
Cale Roughstar
The economy is fine. There was the initial scare that all of the super rare items i.e, cryssies and Eternal blades would be 5k ea in a week, but after the original boom, things have settled down measurably.
aleaf92
the "rare" drops are like 1/10^1000, so alls good for high-end gear
aapo
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Yes it did!
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem? |
If you play PvE you get loot and that inflates economy.
If you play PvP you get Zaishen keys and loot at much smaller pace than PvE.
If you don't play, nothing happens.
So where do you see this destruction of economy again?
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced.
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MithranArkanere
Absolutely not! A good econmy is one with MANY TRANSACTIONS, not one with some rich guys.
Give a lot of people a lot of different items, and they will trade the ones they do not want to get the ones others got.
The more trades, the better. For that, the best would be the Xunali Market being real and not just a gossip.
On top of that, thanks to the Zaishen Chest giving all skins inscribed, now there is no excuse for inscriptions worldwide but "We have no time for that".
Now that the initial unspent Balthazar Faction and Tournament reward points are used up, it will keep a flow of a wide range of skins (along with other items)
Since there are so many skins, it's not 'everyone gets a Crystalline'.
I opened it around 20 times and I got only non-rare skins lonswords, flame staffs, round shields, etc...
Now we only need weapon upgrade traders so PvP-only players can get upgrades for the items they get there, the Xunali Market to increase the speed and quantity of trades and Inscriptions worldwide to remove the last glimmer of the flawed, counter-productive and much less versatile old system.
Yay. Zaishen chest and Xunlai Tournment House are two of the best ideas Anet has had for some time.
Give a lot of people a lot of different items, and they will trade the ones they do not want to get the ones others got.
The more trades, the better. For that, the best would be the Xunali Market being real and not just a gossip.
On top of that, thanks to the Zaishen Chest giving all skins inscribed, now there is no excuse for inscriptions worldwide but "We have no time for that".
Now that the initial unspent Balthazar Faction and Tournament reward points are used up, it will keep a flow of a wide range of skins (along with other items)
Since there are so many skins, it's not 'everyone gets a Crystalline'.
I opened it around 20 times and I got only non-rare skins lonswords, flame staffs, round shields, etc...
Now we only need weapon upgrade traders so PvP-only players can get upgrades for the items they get there, the Xunali Market to increase the speed and quantity of trades and Inscriptions worldwide to remove the last glimmer of the flawed, counter-productive and much less versatile old system.
Yay. Zaishen chest and Xunlai Tournment House are two of the best ideas Anet has had for some time.
shoyon456
If you ask me, zaishen chest is one kind of mechanic that could potentially FIX the economy. Yes the economy was messed up long before it was implemented, and its' implementation has allowed rich players to funnel their money into buying hordes of keys. Wealth was spread from a few to many.
That in my book, is a good thing.
That in my book, is a good thing.
Zahr Dalsk
My elite armours still cost 15k per piece. My Superior Identification kits still cost 500g per piece. Etc.
I don't see the chest changing anything meaningful, just player economies that are variable depending on the players anyways.
I don't see the chest changing anything meaningful, just player economies that are variable depending on the players anyways.
chowmein69
no it didnt messup the economy
undeadgun
for general it didnt, but for certian type of weapon, it is kind of imo.
arcanemacabre
Oh yeah, the economy is all kinds of screwed thanks to that chest. I mean, ecto for 2g a pop, bolts of cloth going for 200k each; it's just insane, man! Topsy-turvy! The world just doesn't make sense anymore!
I mean, my storage is packed full of nothing but Everlasting Beetlejuice Tonics and Mini Kanaxis, but I can't afford an Ident Kit.
I mean, my storage is packed full of nothing but Everlasting Beetlejuice Tonics and Mini Kanaxis, but I can't afford an Ident Kit.
Kanyatta
It's just the uber-rich PvE-ers that don't want anyone else to get any form of wealth, because then they might notice they're entire life got wasted accumulating wealth in an MMORPG than in real life.
RavagerOfDreams
it didn't really hurt it that much a little i'll admit but like has been said before non incr weps are still worth more then incr ones
knoll
No Nightfall messed up the economy.
bigtime102
I just spent 200k on zai keys, best i got was a dead sword req12. I think I helped the ecomomy by buying all those worthless keys, suckers always help the economy. Zaishen keys are for suckers, economy wins. I knew I shoulda sold my gold instead. Oh well... I did make all that gold off selling charr carving to suckers at 100g each during wintersday, I guess it all balances out.
Old Man Of Ascalon
It's funny, I haven't seen the prices at the merchant change at all....
WELL, I GUESS THE ECONOMY IS FINE AFTERALL!
Unless you are the kind of elitist a-hole who complains when the price of AoT's and Uber Rare skinned weapons fluctuates and no longer allows you to make a profit off of farming them and selling to vain idiots.
Then yes, the economy may be a bit torqued.
WELL, I GUESS THE ECONOMY IS FINE AFTERALL!
Unless you are the kind of elitist a-hole who complains when the price of AoT's and Uber Rare skinned weapons fluctuates and no longer allows you to make a profit off of farming them and selling to vain idiots.
Then yes, the economy may be a bit torqued.
-Loki-
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Oh yeah, the economy is all kinds of screwed thanks to that chest. I mean, ecto for 2g a pop, bolts of cloth going for 200k each; it's just insane, man! Topsy-turvy! The world just doesn't make sense anymore!
I mean, my storage is packed full of nothing but Everlasting Beetlejuice Tonics and Mini Kanaxis, but I can't afford an Ident Kit. |
arcanemacabre
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You really can't do sarcasm.
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Yes, sir. I'll stop trying, sir.
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Yes it did!
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem? No this isnt a blast at PvP players, yes they deserve a reward. However didn't they get thier elite skin unlocks as a reward? After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced. |
And just a point on the PVE-PVP thing.
PVE players will tend to just farm the Zaishen Elite for a key (1 a day) or farm the 3K it costs to buy one, since that takes less time to farm 3 platinum than 5k Balthazar faction (once you go beyond the Zaishen cap). I always saw this as being Anet's reward to avid PVP players, allowing them to get money easily without having to PVE farm as well as giving them something to do with faction once they had nothing more to unlock.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by aapo
- Either you play PvE or you play PvP or you don't play.
If you play PvE you get loot and that inflates economy. If you play PvP you get Zaishen keys and loot at much smaller pace than PvE. If you don't play, nothing happens. So where do you see this destruction of economy again? |
Edit: Anyway, NF screwed up the economy LONG before the chest came out. Not only inscriptions, but also the massive amount of gold that flew into the system from certain chest chains and events. Free Treasure Chests giving out ~15k per character per month for example.
Yawgmoth
The Zaishen Chest is nothing compared to the econimic disasters that were Nightfall's inscribables and HardMode's insane gold item drop rates (drops, solo hm farms and hm locked chest runs made it possible for one person to 'produce' 10-20+ golds per hour) combined with loot scaling greatly reducing cash influx.
The Z chest's drop tables are pretty well done, the potential rewards are very valuable but also very rare. It can take 100s of keys to get something worthwhile, it's a massive gambling machine where the PvP players sell the tickets (or just gamble themselves).
Now the chest contains some items previously unavailable in inscribable form or available this way only in HoH chest. This makes the chest worthwhile and the drops valuable. This also causes some degree of undermining the value of the rare perfect or even more the near perfect oldschool golds. Some skins became much more common thanks to this chest. For example compare Eternal Blades price before Zaishen chest and after.
But the relatively small damage the chest caused in general was well worth it. An universal reward system for PvP, a way to spend those millions of Balth Faction was needed much more.
Now the most important thing is to preserve the current state of the economy, as the damage done by the massive catastrophes in the past cannot be undone, it can be only worse. An example act of utter stupidity would be making all items in Tyria and Cantha (and UW/FoW) drop inscribable - the effect would be devastating, hardmode overfarm would turn the vast majority of the still valuable part Zaishen Chest's drop pool into common worthless crap comparable to NF ones. Few would be the remaining valuable drops, Zaishen Key prices would drop to or under lockpick value, in the effect not only the collector of cool rare stuff but all the PvP players would lose a lot.
The Z chest's drop tables are pretty well done, the potential rewards are very valuable but also very rare. It can take 100s of keys to get something worthwhile, it's a massive gambling machine where the PvP players sell the tickets (or just gamble themselves).
Now the chest contains some items previously unavailable in inscribable form or available this way only in HoH chest. This makes the chest worthwhile and the drops valuable. This also causes some degree of undermining the value of the rare perfect or even more the near perfect oldschool golds. Some skins became much more common thanks to this chest. For example compare Eternal Blades price before Zaishen chest and after.
But the relatively small damage the chest caused in general was well worth it. An universal reward system for PvP, a way to spend those millions of Balth Faction was needed much more.
Now the most important thing is to preserve the current state of the economy, as the damage done by the massive catastrophes in the past cannot be undone, it can be only worse. An example act of utter stupidity would be making all items in Tyria and Cantha (and UW/FoW) drop inscribable - the effect would be devastating, hardmode overfarm would turn the vast majority of the still valuable part Zaishen Chest's drop pool into common worthless crap comparable to NF ones. Few would be the remaining valuable drops, Zaishen Key prices would drop to or under lockpick value, in the effect not only the collector of cool rare stuff but all the PvP players would lose a lot.
arcanemacabre
Change in the economy does not equal "destruction" of the economy. Newsflash - prices may vary. Just because certain items were once worth millions are now worth a fraction of that does not mean the economy is anything but healthy. Inscriptions changed things up, but those who agree with them will readily say that change was for the better.
The economy is hardly stable, but stability is not the sign of a 'good' or 'working' economy. Especially a video game one that has gold and items flowing in like water, and the only thing to combat the flow is gold sinks and a merchant that makes items go "poof!"
The economy is hardly stable, but stability is not the sign of a 'good' or 'working' economy. Especially a video game one that has gold and items flowing in like water, and the only thing to combat the flow is gold sinks and a merchant that makes items go "poof!"
Arduin
I couldn't care less about the economy, as long as I can play my game.
Dronte
No it didnt, for sure.
rohara
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Yes it did!
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem? No this isnt a blast at PvP players, yes they deserve a reward. However didn't they get thier elite skin unlocks as a reward? After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced. |
ultra rare items will always be insanely priced - its the nature of the market. the zaishen chest did not cause that...that's how its always been. the economy in this game has been borked from the beginning.
Numa Pompilius
Seriously, who cares about the market for extremely rare high-end skins - or for creme brulees for that matter?
May it crash and burn.
May it crash and burn.
MirkoTeran
It just delivered a few kicks to the dead horse ran over by nightfall.
quickmonty
I can't see all the obsession with a virtual economy. I'm more concerned about prices in RL and paying bills.
In RL and GW I have enough to meet expenses, plus a reserve, so I don't really care about GW economy. It's just a game!
In RL and GW I have enough to meet expenses, plus a reserve, so I don't really care about GW economy. It's just a game!
Rocky Raccoon
Who cares about the game economy? I play to have fun not to become make believe rich.
Pleikki
Hm and inscription messed economy imo...
MithranArkanere
Well, it's similar to when someone is paid with a fake bill:
You can either resign yourself that you have been scammed to get something that is not worth what they told you or you can be an evil son of a grawl and go saddle someone else with it.
Those that paid 100k+e for items want those item to keep those values, even if those values where never unintended to be like that.
Prices where 'fixed' and some people cannot just accept it.
Things like those happen al the time in Stock Exchange.
You can either resign yourself that you have been scammed to get something that is not worth what they told you or you can be an evil son of a grawl and go saddle someone else with it.
Those that paid 100k+e for items want those item to keep those values, even if those values where never unintended to be like that.
Prices where 'fixed' and some people cannot just accept it.
Things like those happen al the time in Stock Exchange.