I swear since I started playing this game... in the beta... I can think of at least seven things people claimed really messed up the economy, this is just the newest one to whine about, and the only people it ever effects, are the people who are rich enough for it not to matter anyway.
Balth Faction
Rune Trader
Greens
Inscriptions
The Favour Change from PVP to title related
Locked Chests
Zaishen Chest
and I am sure many more I have forgotten
edit. lest not forget Ursanway!
Did Zaishen Chests really messed up GW economy?
Lem
EinherjarMx
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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
Naw, it didn't.
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
The Z chest's drop tables are pretty well done, the potential rewards are very valuable but also very rare. It can take 100s of keys to get something worthwhile, it's a massive gambling machine where the PvP players sell the tickets (or just gamble themselves).
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IlikeGW
Hard Mode is probably the biggest economy change ever. Zaishen Chest is a drop in the bucket of high end stuff.
SilentVex
I like how everyone's definition of a "screwed up economy" is having prices drop from what they were previously. Personally, I think the economy was hella screwed up when building a perfect sword with a mediocre skin was the same price as a full set of elite armor.
I guess I'd compare the Z chest to Robin Hood. Whether it's good or bad depends on if you're the rich or the poor. Keep in mind Robin Hood was always portrayed as the hero.
I guess I'd compare the Z chest to Robin Hood. Whether it's good or bad depends on if you're the rich or the poor. Keep in mind Robin Hood was always portrayed as the hero.
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by SilentVex
I like how everyone's definition of a "screwed up economy" is having prices drop from what they were previously. Personally, I think the economy was hella screwed up when building a perfect sword with a mediocre skin was the same price as a full set of elite armor.
I guess I'd compare the Z chest to Robin Hood. Whether it's good or bad depends on if you're the rich or the poor. Keep in mind Robin Hood was always portrayed as the hero. |
Grim Aragorn
the economy will always be just fine for the noobies, its the people who want flashy items to show of how rich they are in a game that ruin the economy.
politicsxxox
it didnt mess up the economy , it just lowered the value of some rare items (stygians were usally 100K+X) now its like 20k-100K flat
cebalrai
All weapons do the same damage. The economy is mostly based on vanity. Therefore in my mind it was kinda meh in the first place... Not very interesting.
Crom The Pale
The only problem I have with the Z-chest is rewarding PvP players with PvE items.
Maybe we need to have the PvE equivilent for thier to be some balance, say trade in 5 skill points for 1 Z-Key.
Maybe we need to have the PvE equivilent for thier to be some balance, say trade in 5 skill points for 1 Z-Key.
Harmless
Just go to the gamesite and bet on the tournaments. You can get keys that way without having to pvp.
Holly Herro
The players screwed the economy.
If you're going to kill anyone, kill... some one else that's not me..
If you're going to kill anyone, kill... some one else that's not me..
Master Knightfall
Sure brought the price down of elemental swords lol I saw one for 15k yesterday being hawked in on district. lol I personally don't think anything is worth 100k in this game because of the stats. If there were "better" weapons and items I might think differently, but, some people put value on looks and there is none, most people don't care about looks they want power and skill. Thing is you can't buy skill and that's the most important thing in the game.
Stolen Souls
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Sure brought the price down of elemental swords lol
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*coughRaptorFarmingcough*
Shadowmoon
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The only problem I have with the Z-chest is rewarding PvP players with PvE items.
Maybe we need to have the PvE equivilent for thier to be some balance, say trade in 5 skill points for 1 Z-Key. |
Before the Z-chest, what was the best chest in the game, the HoH. Now i'd have to say the Z-chest is the best in the game. It can drop any skin in the game, except mb the crystaline (not 100% sure). But still this reminds me with the eternal blade came out, i thought pve finally had a exclusive skin, then a req 9 drop out of the hoh, and then z-chest started pooping them out. PvP has a exclusive skin, the crystaline, this should be fixed seeing how pve doesn't. Possibly let max gold crystalines drop FoW/UW/Duncan end chest only would fix this, still want it to be a rare weapon, just harder to reach chests.
Btw, when the next set of rare skin come out, I bet the first people who get them are people who horde keys like this last batch.
X Tigercat X
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The only problem I have with the Z-chest is rewarding PvP players with PvE items.
Maybe we need to have the PvE equivilent for thier to be some balance, say trade in 5 skill points for 1 Z-Key. |
and no it didnt ruin the economy at all. when 75% of yr drops r firewaters and creme and u only get somethin good every 100 keys it really hasnt made as much of a difference as stuff like cof runs and ursanway
Yichi
it helped my economy. selling keys used to be ftw back when they went for 4-5k a pop 
English Warrior
personally i dont think it did anything but make people rage because it shoots shit out.
counciler132
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No I didn't.
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roshanabey2
the zaishen chest has the chance of dropping anything in the game..............ANYTHING.........it is not like it only drops uber rare items
Stockholm
No it did not.
The economic of GW is only "messed up" if your a power trader or collector of "uber rare" items, for the rest of us it makes no diffrence.
We can still get good maxed weapons at low prices and max stat armour, so for the majority of players the economy is just fine.
The economic of GW is only "messed up" if your a power trader or collector of "uber rare" items, for the rest of us it makes no diffrence.
We can still get good maxed weapons at low prices and max stat armour, so for the majority of players the economy is just fine.
wilderness
It's very easy to earn enough plat to keep yourself in a very decent supply of all the things that are essential to play.
I don't see an issue.
I don't see an issue.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Maybe we need to have the PvE equivilent for thier to be some balance, say trade in 5 skill points for 1 Z-Key.
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X Tigercat X
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
That is a brilliant idea. I have hundreds of skill points sitting around on my characters that can't actually be used for anything. I don't HAVE hundreds of platinum to spend on skills, nor would I if I had it. My characters already have the skills they need. Therefor the skill points I have are quite literally useless.
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o m g pizowned
pvp already has enough rewards imo.
Shadowmoon
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um not really. the zaishen chest is a reward systme for pvp. if we used that all the farmers with hundreds of skill pts will crash the economy. if u pvers want ziahsen keys do pvp or buy them but that will really hurt the economy and would b unfair to pvpers
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GloryFox
I just don't get people who complain just because they can't sell their crap. Then they claim because no one wants to buy their crap the "economy" is screwed up. What you will find is the economy is not wrong it’s the service you are offering.
Money is made from people who sell things others need want or desire. Take an economics class to learn how markets shift. If you can't make money from a game that is already dying because of GW2 being announced then learn another service you can offer that people want. If you can’t figure out that the majority of GW players have played so long they have no “need” for new skins or items you need to stop spamming in Lions Arch and take a look around.
Nothing entitles you or anyone else anything just because you found the “one” true item. You only make money by offering services need want or desire.
There is plenty of money out there to be made if you look hard enough. I’ve made over 200k in less than 1 week (not from selling anything) just offering services to other players in need. If you still can’t figure it out then remain poor.
Money is made from people who sell things others need want or desire. Take an economics class to learn how markets shift. If you can't make money from a game that is already dying because of GW2 being announced then learn another service you can offer that people want. If you can’t figure out that the majority of GW players have played so long they have no “need” for new skins or items you need to stop spamming in Lions Arch and take a look around.
Nothing entitles you or anyone else anything just because you found the “one” true item. You only make money by offering services need want or desire.
There is plenty of money out there to be made if you look hard enough. I’ve made over 200k in less than 1 week (not from selling anything) just offering services to other players in need. If you still can’t figure it out then remain poor.
Keithark
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No, no, no, no, no, no, noooooooooooooooo!!!
Arent the weapons from the chest customised to the player?!!!!! If so, you cant sell them and it has NOO impact at all on the market. If im wrong, its still NOO! Big f'ing deal that there is an easy way to get rare weapons now and boohoo to the rich players who cant farm them and sell them and make as much money. Booohooody hoo! |
Stockholm
What really get's too me is that player with only the PvP-access pack can get the high end PvE items from Zaishen chest.
Seam kind of wrong. They opted out of all PvE content when they bought the Pack.
Seam kind of wrong. They opted out of all PvE content when they bought the Pack.
MithranArkanere
You can't pretend to have a 'the last item' economy in a game that was very limited caps in equipment.
In the same way that getting to max level is not a big deal, getting a perfect weapon is not a big deal.
A few people just want that. But they are mostly those that come from games that had that too and only enjoy the game when they show-off, not when they play.
Of course, GW was meant from the very start to avoid such things, but people just can't understand. They see the 100k limit in trades and never think that it is there for some reason.
Zaishen chests are a good way to spend otherwise useless and wasted Balthazar faction points. Just that. Yah, you can get rare skins from there, but you can also get Fire Staves and Créme Brulées until you puke.
In the same way that getting to max level is not a big deal, getting a perfect weapon is not a big deal.
A few people just want that. But they are mostly those that come from games that had that too and only enjoy the game when they show-off, not when they play.
Of course, GW was meant from the very start to avoid such things, but people just can't understand. They see the 100k limit in trades and never think that it is there for some reason.
Zaishen chests are a good way to spend otherwise useless and wasted Balthazar faction points. Just that. Yah, you can get rare skins from there, but you can also get Fire Staves and Créme Brulées until you puke.
X Tigercat X
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What really get's too me is that player with only the PvP-access pack can get the high end PvE items from Zaishen chest.
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Stockholm
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wat? if i understand wat u r saying correctly u are wrong. I didnt get the pvp packs, ive actually just started pvp spent my first 2000 hours pve, yet i have gotten one of the rarest if not the rarest item in the game out of the chest. its random drops.
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PvP Access Kit(19.95 USD / 17.99 EUR / 11.99 GBP) and if those players have access to the Zaishen chest I think it's wrong.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/PvP_Access_Kit
Savio
So you have a problem with the HA chest too? No part of the PvP Access Kit says you can't have PvE items.
X Tigercat X
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
Well then you have the full game, but A-Net sells a
PvP Access Kit(19.95 USD / 17.99 EUR / 11.99 GBP) and if those players have access to the Zaishen chest I think it's wrong. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/PvP_Access_Kit |
Btw I knew wat the access kit was I didn't understand what that had to do with the zaishen chest
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by X Tigercat X
y? The zaishen chest is the only way for the casual pvper to get any money at all. Its fine the way it is.
Btw I knew wat the access kit was I didn't understand what that had to do with the zaishen chest |
Pay for A+B= get all PvP and PvE
Pay for B= get PvP and high end drops from PvE.
You understand now?
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OS T
well,in my opinion the Zaishen chest has ruined the economy alot,because every high end item now is very low,remember before z-chest was introduced,crystalline,stygian reavers,emblazoned,pyro axe and so on and so on was very high value..I bought q 10 crystalline 2months before they introduced z chest for like 240e and when zaishen were inplemented,I only sold it for 110e,and I also bought inscripable dwarfen axe for 140e and then they make em blue in gwen and they drop in zaishen chest....im really not happy with what anet is doing with GW economy...Im guessing alot out there are feeling the same as I.