Did Zaishen Chests really messed up GW economy?
Malice Black
The 'economy' is fine for the sort of players that now play the game.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
The 'economy' is fine for the sort of players that now play the game.
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quickmonty
Back when superior vigors were worth a furtune, I farmed enough of them to equip all my characters. Just think how much more gold I would have if I sold them then, and purchased the cheaper ones now.
But, as I have said, it's just a game.
But, as I have said, it's just a game.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
May we have a definition of that sort of player? I hope you are not trying to insult people.
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Whiners
Idiots
Get the trend?
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Lazy
Whiners Idiots Get the trend? |
viper11025
Hate to disagree with all of you.
Loot Scaling was strike one.
Zaishen Is strike two.
For lords sake dont make a 3rd.
Loot Scaling was strike one.
Zaishen Is strike two.
For lords sake dont make a 3rd.
Horus
well, except that most of items lost their value, it didnt really messed it up...
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by viper11025
Hate to disagree with all of you.
Loot Scaling was strike one. Zaishen Is strike two. For lords sake dont make a 3rd. |
Strike three!
Out!
XDDDD
Inscriptions where added seizing the new system for PvP equipment.
They have been proved better for the game, reducing price spikes a whole lot. Although they reduced the amount of transactions, since it's easier to get a gold re9 than wasting time trading. They should add something like the Xunlai Market to increase the amount of transactions. The more transactions, the better the economy. Trades, trades, trades. The game needs more trades, and faster trading. Not a minute wasted spammin in an outpost or checking auction forums.
Loot scaling was added to decrease the gold bots can get, but that din't worked very good, as you already know. Bots just farm more. At the end, the only thing lootscale does is making almost the same to go in parties than going solo when it comes to drops. That's not very bad, you can stll farm solo for rare items, ol play normally to get 2,000gold/hour in level +20 on average basis.
And finally, Zaishen chest was meant to be a 'Balthazar Faction' sink, while also making all the skins available inscribed.
How can that be bad?
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by PinoyRurik
Oh No.. not another Zaishen chest thread...
but seriously with its introduction, people (uber rich people, you know who you are)were outrage because they believe that it will destroy the already messed up economy of GW, after a month of having a zaishen chest, did it really messedep up the GW economy or was it false fear, or will it still affect us in the long run. no flamers please. |
Arent the weapons from the chest customised to the player?!!!!! If so, you cant sell them and it has NOO impact at all on the market. If im wrong, its still NOO!
Big f'ing deal that there is an easy way to get rare weapons now and boohoo to the rich players who cant farm them and sell them and make as much money.
Booohooody hoo!
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple
well, except that most of items lost their value, it didnt really messed it up...
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The chest just helped the over priced medicore stuff become available to more people.
I'm glad for cheap goods
BlackAngel
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
I always saw this as being Anet's reward to avid PVP players, allowing them to get money easily without having to PVE farm as well as giving them something to do with faction once they had nothing more to unlock.
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Red Sonya
What economy? lol I haven't bought anything from another player in a year and a half, why would I care what the Zashien chest does to it? I've already gotten some very nice drops from the chest and I think it's a great thing to bring some pve players into PVP or even buy the keys from PVP players. If anything it brought the pve crowd and the pvp crowd together in the fact that the keys can be sold.
Prices are falling on the what I would call common rare drops. But, the chest doesn't drop any greens so those ones that are still rare and hard to get will maintain a higher price. But, with elemental and crystalline swords and other used to be rares dropping out of it, yeah, the prices are falling like rain and that is a good thing since most people don't have a lot of gold. Remember the game is about "skill" not about your wealth in it.
Prices are falling on the what I would call common rare drops. But, the chest doesn't drop any greens so those ones that are still rare and hard to get will maintain a higher price. But, with elemental and crystalline swords and other used to be rares dropping out of it, yeah, the prices are falling like rain and that is a good thing since most people don't have a lot of gold. Remember the game is about "skill" not about your wealth in it.
Pleikki
And Tbh i liked when Dyes materials and runes where 2-3 x expensive as now then theres little challenge get better char 
But like Some rune that now cost 100g would cost 10k that would suck tbh.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Well, it's similar to when someone is paid with a fake bill:
You can either resign yourself that you have been scammed to get something that is not worth what they told you or you can be an evil son of a grawl and go saddle someone else with it. Those that paid 100k+e for items want those item to keep those values, even if those values where never unintended to be like that. Prices where 'fixed' and some people cannot just accept it. Things like those happen al the time in Stock Exchange. |
12chars
Rick Astley
We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what's I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've know each other for so long
Your heart's been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Give you up, give you up
Give you up, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what's I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've know each other for so long
Your heart's been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Give you up, give you up
Give you up, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Rick Astley
We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what's I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you We've know each other for so long Your heart's been aching But you're too shy to say it Inside we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it And if you ask me how I'm feeling Don't tell me you're too blind to see Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you Give you up, give you up Give you up, give you up Never gonna give, Never gonna give, give you up Never gonna give, Never gonna give, give you up |
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what's I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've know each other for so long
Your heart's been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Give you up, give you up
Give you up, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give,
Never gonna give, give you up
Winstar
i heard Rick was funny about 5 months ago..maybe
At least try and properly rick roll people
On the other hand this is hilarious,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g
At least try and properly rick roll people
On the other hand this is hilarious,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g
Malice Black
Nickleback is the new rickroll.
Diddy bow
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
It just delivered a few kicks to the dead horse ran over by nightfall.
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Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by knoll
No Nightfall messed up the economy.
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
An example act of utter stupidity would be making all items in Tyria and Cantha (and UW/FoW) drop inscribable
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Targuil
Gw economy has been stormed as long as i can remember so who cares about zaishen chest anymore.
Oofus
"uber rich people" could care less about Zaishen chests. The economy was shot to hell long before then. Zaishen chest is a complete irrelevancy.
I D E L E T E D I
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Originally Posted by undeadgun
for general it didnt, but for certian type of weapon, it is kind of imo.
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crystalline, stygian and eternal
Malice Black
Low req Crystallines would still fetch a few k. I was offered 1750ecto for my req9 15^50. (old skool, not inscrib crap)
btw - I kill you!
Funny clip
btw - I kill you!
Funny clip
XiaoTheBlade
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I was offered 1750ecto
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credit
I really don't think it did.
Lord Sojar
No, stop bitching about the chest.
Oh, and some people... are you ready for this one....
PvP AND PvE, and do both well (lol... I know that comment has a flaw in it, don't point it out)
Oh, and some people... are you ready for this one....
PvP AND PvE, and do both well (lol... I know that comment has a flaw in it, don't point it out)
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by XiaoTheBlade
I smell dupe. Not you malice, the guy who offered.
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
The guy that offered did get banned for duping braces
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Armbrace Dupers. Multiple accounts. Laundering.
Don't worry though, cheaters never prosper. I am sure a bus will run through their living room, squishing what little is left of their pathetic lives. What goes around comes around. You dupe armbraces, you get hit by a bus. Fair is fair.
sagilltwins
no it just made pvpers very rich
rap13oy
Ebayers and scammers like Scoob messed up economy. gg on the dupes
Kerwyn Nasilan
It did not. Everyone who did get something from the chest came here to talk about it. The other vast magority got sh*t and did not bother coming here. Do to the reports of all the high end items it makes sense. And if anything ruined the economy it was the inscription system, even though I love it.
IslandHermet
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Yes it did!
You impliment a PvE reward to PvP players in an attempt to get PvE players to do more PvP so they can collect a PvE reward....and nobody see's this as a problem? No this isnt a blast at PvP players, yes they deserve a reward. However didn't they get thier elite skin unlocks as a reward? After this PvP chest began dropping its PvE rewards the prices of items dropped significantly. While many would think this is a good thing it also meant that people nolonger would bother selling items that are not perfect or highly in demand. Items that used to be an easy sell are now impossible to get rid of save to the merchants. And the ultra rare items are still outragously priced. |
Anet implimented the chest for a reward for PVPers with Unlocked everything so we can spend our faction on something else besides the tourny tokens.
The PvE people decided that unlocking skills is less important than useing 5k balth to open the chest.
I love the chest because I have a stack of Tourny tokens and see no reason to keep adding to it so I spend it all on the chest, (BTW im UAX and have been for a very long time)
Ekelon
I called it ursan-way that screwed this game's economy.
dunky_g
no, z chest mainly drops wank items
Barbie
No.
Armors, dyes, runes & scrolls are still the same price. I actually like Zaishen Chests, because sometimes you can get great stuff out of it. Also, after reading this thread, I realize it lowers the price of items you buy in trades, which is a good thing for me (I'm a player, not a trader).
Armors, dyes, runes & scrolls are still the same price. I actually like Zaishen Chests, because sometimes you can get great stuff out of it. Also, after reading this thread, I realize it lowers the price of items you buy in trades, which is a good thing for me (I'm a player, not a trader).
Horus
if you want fast booze and sweets, use Z chest! price? 2,5-3k each
anyway, i dnt think Z chest screwed economy, it is screwed for long time now(few months after NF release it was i think)
anyway, i dnt think Z chest screwed economy, it is screwed for long time now(few months after NF release it was i think)
Pupu
you cant mess up what has already been messed up since nightfall..
Gregslot
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
If 1 chest destroys an economy it would of been removed.
The economy was screwed since prophecies. We call it the 55 I think? |
And dont start with this PvP thing that gives PvE reward because you dont HAVE TO get a zaishen key.
CHannum
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
Stupidity? Sounds more like brilliance to me...
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People who have beaten all the campaigns, vanquished the continents, and actually amassed enough goods to actually be considering the "longterm" value of some uber rare sword really just need to move on and go find something else to do. Your ideas of fixing GW only apply to your very niche slice of the player base and would make it much worse for the other 95%+ of the players just out there actually playing the game.
I haven't done everything in the game yet (just started late last fall), and it will be several more months before I reach that point. When I have reached that point, I'll go play something else instead of whining all day on forums about how the 2000 hours of fun I got for less than $150 was such a waste and they're totally ignoring my super important needs over the majority of the active player base who started after me.