another good update good job anet
Update - Friday, February 15, 2008
RavagerOfDreams
finally we get a nerf on dpsig >: )
another good update good job anet
another good update good job anet
ValaOfTheFens
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Was referring to PvP players that are good at it. Most bad PvP players eventually run off and cry to Big Momma (aka PvE) If your not good at PvP, come let us farm you for pts or leave. PvE is just a side thing to do when not enough people are on, or you feel like just doing something mind numbing.
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yesitsrob
Pretty sure the issue with DPS has more to do with the fact you can res someone at full energy and not the cast time of it. >_>
And FDH should have had its duration cut and not speed cut
Everything else was a pretty decent change. Thought that counts riiight!
Oh and scrubs that only play 1 half of the game probably shouldn't comment on the other half, it makes you look stupid because more often than not you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
And FDH should have had its duration cut and not speed cut
Everything else was a pretty decent change. Thought that counts riiight!
Oh and scrubs that only play 1 half of the game probably shouldn't comment on the other half, it makes you look stupid because more often than not you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
HawkofStorms
Raptor farming is still very possible. If you die now before you can aggro them all.... then don't aggro them all. Duh. Aggro half of them, kill em, then aggro the rest, kill them.
EDIT: DPS was probablly nerfed due to the PvE Subway build.
EDIT: DPS was probablly nerfed due to the PvE Subway build.
razor39999
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Originally Posted by bigtime102
But as long as they're human they will be biased, so dont get your hopes up for a perfect game, only an unbiased being can make the perfect game, that game is life and that being is God. But dont let that discourage the devs from trying.
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Originally Posted by AuraofMana
The best PvP concept was AB in my opinion
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Anyways I play both parts of this game (PvE more lately) and it's always very fun to see ppl wine when all it takes to go off and kill some more AI is a single skill change. Nice work on DP sig, still strong on any character and still overpowered on mesmers.
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Avarre
They realized how much money they can make by selling games to the mass majority of people. Why bother being inventive when everyone's seen that works?
However, if you're only in GW for the PvE, there are some much better PvE games out there. That's not even a 'go away' comment, if I only PvE'ed , I'd play something that was specifically designed for PvE, that would have more depth and be more interesting. |
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Kiragi Yagami
just because they changed a few skills to balance the game a bit? QQ moar about ANET plz?
this game isnt about farming. and if you think so, please uninstall Guild Wars right now. |
PvP? Maybe for you, but most people (as in, the bigger number of us in the game population) can only stand to be around PvPers for about 15 minutes. Bluntly, PvP in GW attracts a certain kind of personality, and it's not a nice kind.
traiur
Enter you are partly right there in saying that GW gathers a certain type of people. But saying that 1) its mainly in PvP (inplied) and 2) that its bad mean people are both way off.
The mainstay of the GW population aren' bad people. Even the people who yell at others and call them noobs for ruining an Ursan run or who mess up a run in halls. They are all the same type of person (generally speaking of course).
GW attracts stubborn people. More specifically, the people who play GW the most are stubborn. Think about it, go back and read your posts. You are arguing over things that you really can't discuss as neither side actually listens to the other. All they do is read the other person's post and attempt to find a flaw in it in order to strike back.
Both PvP and PvE have the same types of people. The PvP crowd is the same kind as the PvE crowd but they each specialize in different aspects of the game. When one tries to crossover they find themselves in groups of people who have a routine and know exactly what they are doing and enjoy it. They mess it up for those groups and get yelled at. You do this a couple of times and you loose intrest in the other half. Its just human nature to avoid something that makes you be attacked by others.
So yes. We are Stubborn people. But no we aren't vehement attackers who want to delete anyone's account who plays differently than we do. (I myself am a stubborn player who plays both pvp and pve equaly).
The mainstay of the GW population aren' bad people. Even the people who yell at others and call them noobs for ruining an Ursan run or who mess up a run in halls. They are all the same type of person (generally speaking of course).
GW attracts stubborn people. More specifically, the people who play GW the most are stubborn. Think about it, go back and read your posts. You are arguing over things that you really can't discuss as neither side actually listens to the other. All they do is read the other person's post and attempt to find a flaw in it in order to strike back.
Both PvP and PvE have the same types of people. The PvP crowd is the same kind as the PvE crowd but they each specialize in different aspects of the game. When one tries to crossover they find themselves in groups of people who have a routine and know exactly what they are doing and enjoy it. They mess it up for those groups and get yelled at. You do this a couple of times and you loose intrest in the other half. Its just human nature to avoid something that makes you be attacked by others.
So yes. We are Stubborn people. But no we aren't vehement attackers who want to delete anyone's account who plays differently than we do. (I myself am a stubborn player who plays both pvp and pve equaly).
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Because DPS was overpowered in GvG, I think it's used on Mesmers a lot due to Fast Cast on Signets.
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It's run on Warriors.
W/Rt - just look at obs mode. DPS is an excellent hard rez, and with no spec in anything, allows you to run it on warrior bars.
I like this update, to be honest. It'll hopefully make Rt/A runners viable for GvG again.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Please, enlighten us, what exactly is it about then?
PvP? Maybe for you, but most people (as in, the bigger number of us in the game population) can only stand to be around PvPers for about 15 minutes. Bluntly, PvP in GW attracts a certain kind of personality, and it's not a nice kind. |
Farming (which i have done several hundred hours of) is boring, repeative work. You can make good money and enjoy yourself just by playing through quests, missions, and elite areas.
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
GW was supposed to be a pvp orientated game
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Sorry tying to type here but can't because I am laughing so hard, ok.
Where has it been every stated that guild wars is pvp orientated? Please provide a link. If I am wrong that is fine but that would be the most short-sited business plan I have ever seen. Love to see an advertisement, “Guild Wars – Player vs. Player orientated game, we just spent all these resources (MONEY) on Maps, AI, Quest, Creature Development, etc… for no reason!”
PvP is the minority in guild wars. What I find so interesting is that PvP forgets that if it was not for PvE Guild Wars would have been considered a flop and Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North would have been canceled. You need PvE more then we will every need you.
Considering Izzy latest updates for the sack of PvP, doesn’t affect us serious farmers. I usually use a 600 / Smite with two computers and two accounts, works great. All the drops are mine I tell you, all mine!
Now all you PvP get off these forms and go earn me some more Z-Keys!!! I am feeding an addiction here and your lack of b-faction farming might actually increase the price to 3k ea!!!
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
How is raptor farming nerfed?
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
ROFLMAO...
Sorry tying to type here but can't because I am laughing so hard, ok. Where has it been every stated that guild wars is pvp orientated? Please provide a link. If I am wrong that is fine but that would be the most short-sited business plan I have ever seen. Love to see an advertisement, “Guild Wars – Player vs. Player orientated game, we just spent all these resources (MONEY) on Maps, AI, Quest, Creature Development, etc… for no reason!” PvP is the minority in guild wars. What I find so interesting is that PvP forgets that if it was not for PvE Guild Wars would have been considered a flop and Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North would have been canceled. You need PvE more then we will every need you. Considering Izzy latest updates for the sack of PvP, doesn’t affect us serious farmers. I usually use a 600 / Smite with two computers and two accounts, works great. All the drops are mine I tell you, all mine! Now all you PvP get off these forms and go earn me some more Z-Keys!!! I am feeding an addiction here and your lack of b-faction farming might actually increase the price to 3k ea!!! |
This game was made for PvP. Why the low level cap, the non-epic weapons, the general communist-approach to character development, skill selection and the like?
This game was not geared towards farming/hardcore pve - go play WoW for that.
GW was geared towards casual PvE and relatively competitive PvP.
So stop complaining about your farming runs and make some money another way if you must.
Hailey Anne
To all the poeple whining about raptor farming.
Flame Djinns still works just fine.
Ive already ran it several times in HM got an ele sword and all.
Just learn to dodge its not that hard.
Flame Djinns still works just fine.
Ive already ran it several times in HM got an ele sword and all.
Just learn to dodge its not that hard.
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Uninstall windows please, you're making me sad. This is possibly one of the few times I will ever agree with Rhanoct.
This game was made for PvP. Why the low level cap, the non-epic weapons, the general communist-approach to character development, skill selection and the like? This game was not geared towards farming/hardcore pve - go play WoW for that. GW was geared towards casual PvE and relatively competitive PvP. So stop complaining about your farming runs and make some money another way if you must. |
You're absolutely right, not... Like I said, "Go B-faction farm I need Z-keys." You keep this up and I might actually have to start paying more then 2k per key. What game are you playing? ANET invested more resources in PvE in Prophecies alone then they every did in all of PvP.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
No windows that would just leave me with my Linux and my Mac!!! No I need my crash fix.
You're absolutely right, not... Like I said, "Go B-faction farm I need Z-keys." You keep this up and I might actually have to start paying more then 2k per key. What game are you playing? ANET invested more resources in PvE in Prophecies alone then they every did in all of PvP. |
You do understand that those missions were meant to prepare you for Pvp. As well as the little arenas scattered throughout prophecies to give you bits of PvP experience.
And Malice, I guess I'll go slave away in the dreadful land of GvG
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
"Go B-faction farm I need Z-keys."
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How's about all the retard PvEers pay for - essentially - a bad PvE game with crappy grind and no rewards that fails in comparison to other PvE-centric MMOs on the market, so's ANet can keep paying Izzy to keep PvP playable?
Oh, then you can have my Z-Keys.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Have you ever gone through Ascension?
You do understand that those missions were meant to prepare you for Pvp. As well as the little arenas scattered throughout prophecies to give you bits of PvP experience. And Malice, I guess I'll go slave away in the dreadful land of GvG |
Kiragi Yagami
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Please, enlighten us, what exactly is it about then?
PvP? Maybe for you, but most people (as in, the bigger number of us in the game population) can only stand to be around PvPers for about 15 minutes. Bluntly, PvP in GW attracts a certain kind of personality, and it's not a nice kind. |
Ulterion
Wow. It went from "Updates: WTF" to "GvG FTL?" o_O
Anyway (On-Topic)... Updates: Guild Wars is only as good as it's weakest Developer... *Gazes furiously at Skills Balancer* >.>~~~~~
It's pretty sad how crippling Arena Net can become with skill balance updates just to suit casual players... -_- It's personally turning players off knowing they payed for a game, only to recieve a digital communism...? Should we even give Guild Wars so much attention, knowing that in a year (perhaps two) GW1 will become empty? A few things to think about...
Anyway (On-Topic)... Updates: Guild Wars is only as good as it's weakest Developer... *Gazes furiously at Skills Balancer* >.>~~~~~
It's pretty sad how crippling Arena Net can become with skill balance updates just to suit casual players... -_- It's personally turning players off knowing they payed for a game, only to recieve a digital communism...? Should we even give Guild Wars so much attention, knowing that in a year (perhaps two) GW1 will become empty? A few things to think about...
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Have you ever gone through Ascension?
You do understand that those missions were meant to prepare you for Pvp. As well as the little arenas scattered throughout prophecies to give you bits of PvP experience. And Malice, I guess I'll go slave away in the dreadful land of GvG |
Never done PvP so have no clue if PvE would prepare me for PvP but I am guessing I would not be very good in PvP without pratice, a lot of pratice. Until players start dropping stuff we will never know. That would be a nice way for farm some rare skins.
"Farm the rare skin, sale to PvP, go to PvP with your collector weapons and get your rare skin back, and repeat."
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
Wow. It went from "Updates: WTF" to "GvG FTL?" o_O
Anyway (On-Topic)... Updates: Guild Wars is only as good as it's weakest Developer... *Gazes furiously at Skills Balancer* >.>~~~~~ It's pretty sad how crippling Arena Net can become with skill balance updates just to suit casual players... -_- It's personally turning players off knowing they payed for a game, only to recieve a digital communism...? Should we even give Guild Wars so much attention, knowing that in a year (perhaps two) GW1 will become empty? A few things to think about... |
If you are that bad at this game that you can't deal with 33% speed boost lowered to 25%, and little nerfs here and there, just use ursan, like the other bad players out there.
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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
You mean there not there for legendary cartographer? Never done PvP so have no clue if PvE would prepare me for PvP but I am guessing I would not be very good in PvP without pratice, a lot of pratice. Until players start dropping stuff we will never know. That would be a nice way for farm some rare skins.
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The ascension missions include relic running, base splitting, the like. Preparation for Guild versus Guild and Heroes' Ascent battles. But, you don't PvP, so you don't realize that that's what you're doing.
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Kiragi Yagami
Actually, i AM one of those PvP-dislikers. and you honestly think that farming is the reason ANET made this game? it was made to be an anti-grind based game.[/irony]. if all you do in this game is Farm, please smack yourself.
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The skill balance is geared towards PvP and some PvE suffers, farming is not nerfed, develop a new build and keep right on farming. Why would you solo raptors? With loot scaling why not find a buddy and develop a duo farm, better drops.
Ulterion
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
FFS.
If you are that bad at this game that you can't deal with 33% speed boost lowered to 25%, and little nerfs here and there, just use ursan, like the other bad players out there. |
...simple as that.
And the speed buff nerf slows down the rate of drop finds that come in from farming, thus jacking up the prices of whatever those drops are, making the demand for gold rise, increasing online gold-buying activity.
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
And the speed buff nerf slows down the rate of drop finds that come in from farming, thus jacking up the prices of whatever those drops are, making the demand for gold rise, increasing online gold-buying activity.
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Tin-foil hats! Get your tin foil hats right here!
Ulterion
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
OK.... I think we have a PBKAC problem.
Tin-foil hats! Get your tin foil hats right here! |
EinherjarMx
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
Shows how much you know that I don't even have Ursan Blessing on any of my 10 PvE toons and I can farm easily w/o it. But that's not the point I was making... It's the fact that other "B-A-D" players wish for anet to cut off others by way of skill, nuking the whole community for the sake of casual play. Anet's trying to make money and they don't care about who they have to step on to git it. Ursan Blessing promotes buying EotN (which is why Ursan hasn't been nerfed). Loot-Scaling dries up gold income (forcing players to buy gold online) and put up gold-buying websites that have been up and running since forever (and will prolly never go away cuz it's a big money-maker). It's a way for anet to make that cash (and it's not going away any time soon). People were botting, stealing the competition from anet. What did they do? Anti-botting measures. End of competition. Anet makes all the money (period). Whatever Anet needs to keep the cash flow coming, they will do...
...simple as that. And the speed buff nerf slows down the rate of drop finds that come in from farming, thus jacking up the prices of whatever those drops are, making the demand for gold rise, increasing online gold-buying activity. |
omfg, you post is full of self righteousness, as if 8% is going to drive up again the economy.
And btw, the people that suggest those "nerfs" have better knowledge that the average l33t farmer who is paranoic enough to think that every step anet takes is against them
Ulterion
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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx
omfg, you post is full of self righteousness, as if 8% is going to drive up again the economy.
And btw, the people that suggest those "nerfs" have better knowledge that the average l33t farmer who is paranoic enough to think that every step anet takes is against them |
Full Metal X
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
I'm far from righteous, dude. However, if I feel like something's going a certain way, I'm not afraid to speak (and risk flamers like you from opening fire). It's called Freedom of Speech. So >=P
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Also no one cares.
Zahr Dalsk
The harder it is for humans to farm the easier it is for bots to make money.
If items and gold drop at a steady but very small rate, a bot can farm 24/7 and make a hefty amount of cash, whereas a human can farm maybe a few hours per day and make a small amount.
If items and gold have nice drops but the drops decrease the more you farm, a bot can farm 24/7 and make a heftier amount of cash and a human can farm a few hours per day and make a hefty amount of cash. Just adjust the curve so that drops are great at the start and dramatically decrease the more you farm, to the point that after 5-10 hours of straight farming (something only a bot would do, or doing farming on and off to catch those that figure out to script their bots to take breaks and alternate) nothing drops at all for one business day before it is reset.
That way a human can make a good amount of cash in a human amount of time, and while bots can make slightly more, they cannot make a significant amount more.
This would only affect solo farms, since bots afaik don't come in teams.
If items and gold drop at a steady but very small rate, a bot can farm 24/7 and make a hefty amount of cash, whereas a human can farm maybe a few hours per day and make a small amount.
If items and gold have nice drops but the drops decrease the more you farm, a bot can farm 24/7 and make a heftier amount of cash and a human can farm a few hours per day and make a hefty amount of cash. Just adjust the curve so that drops are great at the start and dramatically decrease the more you farm, to the point that after 5-10 hours of straight farming (something only a bot would do, or doing farming on and off to catch those that figure out to script their bots to take breaks and alternate) nothing drops at all for one business day before it is reset.
That way a human can make a good amount of cash in a human amount of time, and while bots can make slightly more, they cannot make a significant amount more.
This would only affect solo farms, since bots afaik don't come in teams.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
I'm far from righteous, dude. However, if I feel like something's going a certain way, I'm not afraid to speak (and risk flamers like you from opening fire). It's called Freedom of Speech. So >=P
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This update is fine, and really hurts no one, or nothing.
Shadow Kurd
Death pact is the only interesting change. Doesn't really change much its still the best res in the game
Ulterion
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
This update is fine, and really hurts no one, or nothing.
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I'm using Death Pact Signet!
-Interrupted!-
Awwww... better luck next time?
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Ulterion
*Attempts to ressurect Snow Bunny*
I'm using Death Pact Signet! -Interrupted!- Awwww... better luck next time? |
Oh, and what did you use before?
It's an additional second...if you can interrupt 3 second cast, you can interrupt 2 second.
EinherjarMx
Rez Signet Should be the best "fast" alternative (FC Resmers ecluded) fo rezzing someone
Ulterion
On YOU? I used Unyielding Aura. Res You. Kill You... Res You. Kill You... xD
Burning Blade
GW is PvP oriented? Maybe it was but not anymore since so much time has been put to create new contents in Factions, Nightfall, EoTN. Get off your high heel and accept this sour fact.
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Some of the posters from 2007 are epic.
jaeharys targaryen
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Originally Posted by Ensign
The Djinn Haste changes matter in PvE hard mode, as a 33% boost makes you move as fast as enemies while 25% is a bit slower than enemies. As a result the function of those skills has changed pretty radically in PvE.
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garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
This update is fine, and really hurts no one, or nothing.
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But Ulterion they didn't nerf the skills to nerf farming they did it for GvG balance. The fact some farms used it was just a coincidence. However I do know Anet likes to make it hard/time consuming to get gold.