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Originally Posted by Age
One word ,Dash Hello E/A and A/E
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Update - Friday, February 15, 2008
knives
I D E L E T E D I
I am a PvEr and i have to say i like this update. I read alot about the problems in PvP and am happy that Anet is acctually starting to fix them i hope they keep it up.
To those that are complaining about this balance (not nerfs), because their super duper E/A raptor thingy dont work anymore. Learn to think of an alternative.
GG Anet
To those that are complaining about this balance (not nerfs), because their super duper E/A raptor thingy dont work anymore. Learn to think of an alternative.
GG Anet
Esan
Death Pact Signet is still overpowered.
Glad to see Power Leak back, though.
Glad to see Power Leak back, though.
RhanoctJocosa
nice update mitch
HayesA
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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
I am a PvEr and i have to say i like this update. I read alot about the problems in PvP and am happy that Anet is acctually starting to fix them i hope they keep it up.
To those that are complaining about this balance (not nerfs), because their super duper E/A raptor thingy dont work anymore. Learn to think of an alternative. GG Anet |
Well, at least for me. I never liked rapter farming because of stupid hard mode loot scaling crap, mass killing all at once never seemed like a good idea to me. Besides, ele swords dropped like 100k x ecto, to a laughable 10k value.
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by HayesA
It's not really about the rapter thing. It's just that the Storm, and Flame Djjns spells were the best ele running spells. Now that they're 25%, it was a major hit for some of us who relied on it. We only really have 1 more left; windborn speed. So, guess we might be using that now. Even if it's not nearly as good as Storm Djjn's was.
Well, at least for me. I never liked rapter farming because of stupid hard mode loot scaling crap, mass killing all at once never seemed like a good idea to me. Besides, ele swords dropped like 100k x ecto, to a laughable 10k value. |
Eli Rela
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
I fixed your post for you. Please do not presume to speak for "us in PvE" ever again.
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Sephiroth Istari
raptor farming is still alive for me.
splashed 3 points into water for armor of the mist- back up and running.
splashed 3 points into water for armor of the mist- back up and running.
HayesA
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
Remind me, what did eles use before nightfall*?
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enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Erm yes actually, it has been used in GvG recently I believe. 2 seconds is hardly a nerf when you think about it, fast castin' and 40/40 sets and all that, but I guess it makes it a bit easier for a good interrupter to overcome.
And this is why the average PvEr should not be allowed to have a say in skill balances, no offence. /activate Flame shield |
These skills were blatantly nerfed for pvp reasons, as usual, since all Izzy cares about is PvP.
Frankly, this update doesn't really affect me, since I don't use any of those skills in PVE on a regular basis. But GG Anet at once again isolating even more of your current players. If some of us won't be seeing you in GW2, we know you'll understand.
Shakti
Alex, I have stolen the cute freakin cat pic...they are mine..oh yes muwhahahaha!!
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
And, as usual, PvPers think they're the most important thing in the universe, no offence
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RhanoctJocosa
GW was supposed to be a pvp orientated game
so
so
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Because GvG, as the highest level of competitive play, is the first concern for skill balances.
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
GW was supposed to be a pvp orientated game
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So.
C2K
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Because GvG, as the highest level of competitive play, is the first concern for skill balances.
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RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
GvG, as a facet of competitive play with little effect on Guild Wars for the majority of players, should be the very last concern.
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too bad for you. i hear wow has decent pve
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
GvG, as a facet of competitive play with little effect on Guild Wars for the majority of players, should be the very last concern.
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The ability of players to farm is at practically the highest it has ever been. Notice how prices of everything are low?
In summary, you don't understand how the game works.
Slaine
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Originally Posted by Avarre
GvG is one of the places were balance actually matters. PvE is not affected by most skill balances - and farming is never a good reason for a skill to be kept. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
The ability of players to farm is at practically the highest it has ever been. Notice how prices of everything are low? In summary, you don't understand how the game works. |
hands down, every "balance" screws pvers.
pvp is not the only point of the game, but every update suggests it is.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Slaine
i'm sorry - where did he say anything about farming?
hands down, every "balance" screws pvers. pvp is not the only point of the game, but every update suggests it is. |
bigtime102
Nice to see they fixed stuff that more than half the playerbase doesnt care about - PVP endgame
Wheres the beetleracing top 100 and festival npc fix?
Wheres the beetleracing top 100 and festival npc fix?
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by bigtime102
Nice to see they fixed stuff that more than half the playerbase doesnt care about - PVP endgame
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PvP > PvE. PvE is a mundane, repetitive, lack luster addition to this PVP GAME. It is good for killing time and making a few extra titles here and there. Otherwise, it has no reward.
aapo
I think this update was reasonable. No longer speed boosts of eles dominate so much on flagrunning (note that Windborne Speed and Armor of Mist are still 33%) and slapping permanent 33% of Pious Haste to standard character bars is no longer automatic.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by aapo
I think this update was reasonable. No longer speed boosts of eles dominate so much on flagrunning (note that Windborne Speed and Armor of Mist are still 33%) and slapping permanent 33% of Pious Haste to standard character bars is no longer automatic.
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Indeed, no more stupid rit runners that think they are so amazing with their Pious Gayste. Seriously, I hate rits. /delete.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by lutz
Because it's the highest level of PvP in the game?
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
What makes you think PvP players are the majority in this game?
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Avarre
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
What makes you think PvP players are the majority in this game?
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Actually, I have seen quite a few bad players PvP.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
They aren't. Only good players PvP. Duh.
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Harmless
I seriously hope that PvP and PvE are more separated in guildwars 2. Every time there is a change in skills, there is more bitterness between the two groups.
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Actually, I have seen quite a few bad players PvP.
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Shuuda
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I change what I said before, these are reasons why farmers should not be allowed to have a voice in skill balances, or anything for that matter.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Pleasing the majority is bad for the game when the majority don't understand it.
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Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Staying in business is bad for the game?
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Avarre
This is also true.
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...well, bad at PvP, at least.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Have to add - including me
...well, bad at PvP, at least. |
phan
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Was referring to PvP players that are good at it. Most bad PvP players eventually run off and cry to Big Momma (aka PvE) If your not good at PvP, come let us farm you for pts or leave. PvE is just a side thing to do when not enough people are on, or you feel like just doing something mind numbing.
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Say what? A-net already have your money from buying up to 4 products, bend over backwards for a dumbshit majority won't instantly lose money.
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Lhim
Since they are messing with it, maybe they can change Death Pact Signet's condition to 60 seconds or even 45. 2 minutes has always seemed a bit long to me.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by phan
Says the bambi ..
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Yo mamma so fat, she died of a heart attack. How sad for you.
Go cut yourself, emo kid.
Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
People not buying GW2 because of ANets attitude towards PvE will.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Was referring to PvP players that are good at it. Most bad PvP players eventually run off and cry to Big Momma (aka PvE) If your not good at PvP, come let us farm you for pts or leave. PvE is just a side thing to do when not enough people are on, or you feel like just doing something mind numbing.
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I think the point is (if there is one, here), both PvE and PvP have their purposes and neither is any better than the other. Though I fully agree that balancing should remain focused on GvG, especially as long as there are tournaments. No one gets "screwed" in PvE because of skill balances. If a particular skill in a particular build gets hit so hard that it no longer works, replace the skill or rework the build. PvE is not rocket science.
bigtime102
When it comes down to it there is no PVE in guild wars. Even the so called PVE is really PVP just a different flavour, killing mobs, making money, grinding titles would make no sense if there wasnt any people online. But there is, which mean youre actually competing against the next guy to get that title, or getting more gold or looking better or having something rarer. Thats PVP. So called PVE in this game is actually PVP too. It like saying in real life a business man doesnt compete only boxers do because they're hitting someone while the business man doenst hit anybody so they're not competing or pvp'ing. Thats not true, even the so called PVE'ers are competing against other PVE'ers which makes it PVP. And the fact of the matter is is more people compete in the game of life(PVE) that doesnt involve fighting than people who compete in an arena(PVP), and this game shows it. Just go to any outpost and count the number of people then go into an arean a count the number of people there. Its obviouse what people are playing. But thats not the point, the point is Anet shouldnt be biased toward one side or other. But as long as they're human they will be biased, so dont get your hopes up for a perfect game, only an unbiased being can make the perfect game, that game is life and that being is God. But dont let that discourage the devs from trying.