So, how old do you think someone should be to play this game?
Zapper901
My bro got me started on the game when I was just 12, and I admit I was an immature ass. Now that I'm 15, I'm a lot more mature. I never swear or yell at people, and I am always courteous. An officer in my current guild asked me my age to see if he could listen to my opinions, and that kind of annoyed me, as it doesn't really matter.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Zapper901
My bro got me started on the game when I was just 12, and I admit I was an immature ass. Now that I'm 15, I'm a lot more mature. I never swear or yell at people, and I am always courteous. An officer in my current guild asked me my age to see if he could listen to my opinions, and that kind of annoyed me, as it doesn't really matter.
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Molock
I said 18+ earlier for a few reasons.
First of all, kids aren't usually very patient and want everything "now!". They also don't make any effort to spell and spam insults, profanity and refuse any advice. They think that are "the best" and that they can't learn anything from anyone else.
Simply put, they don't know how to behave. Male warriors /dancing in your face anyone? Perhaps you were called a "n00b" when you killed a sin in ab?
Anyway.. 18+ as a general rule. Of course there will always be the 26 year old with the maturity of a 12 year old and the 14 year old who is quite mature.
First of all, kids aren't usually very patient and want everything "now!". They also don't make any effort to spell and spam insults, profanity and refuse any advice. They think that are "the best" and that they can't learn anything from anyone else.
Simply put, they don't know how to behave. Male warriors /dancing in your face anyone? Perhaps you were called a "n00b" when you killed a sin in ab?
Anyway.. 18+ as a general rule. Of course there will always be the 26 year old with the maturity of a 12 year old and the 14 year old who is quite mature.
Personette
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Originally Posted by Zapper901
My bro got me started on the game when I was just 12, and I admit I was an immature ass. Now that I'm 15, I'm a lot more mature. I never swear or yell at people, and I am always courteous. An officer in my current guild asked me my age to see if he could listen to my opinions, and that kind of annoyed me, as it doesn't really matter.
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Honestly, the best thing about being young is not KNOWING what an ass you are. Spotting idiotic behavior before it happens does mean missing out on some fun. Idiotic, embarrassing fun, but still.
RiKio
18 mental years.
Mohnzh
I've been telling people I was 19 since the year 2000. People tell me that I'm not anymore. I do college student ministry, so I may still seem 19 at times and get away with it, but I'm conservative enough that most people put me in my late 30s to early 70s. My first role-playing video game was Dungeons and Dragons on the Intellivision. I think that was around 1986 or so. My NES is old enough that Mario and Duck Hunt are on separate cartridges. I have the orginal Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior AND their boxes, instruction manuals, and maps. I got them before FF2 or DW2 existed. So I've been gaming a while. I would agree that most "kids" could not compete with me because even though they have been emersed their whole life, I have followed gaming since it began.
I tend to have a more utopian/idealistic outlook on things. I think GW creates a great opportunity in spite of the hazards of predators. As long as the youngest players could be taught to not reveal ANY personal info, this game creates a community in which young and old can interract in ways not seen anywhere else in society. The immature do not become mature by getting older, but by observing and mimicking the mature. The loss of courrtesy, manners, and proper behavior in society can possibly be linked to this attitude: "They don't care about me, why should I care about them?" You do not see the old 1950's image where Mr. White is watering his lawn and waves to Jimmy on his bike on his way home from school to ask how it was that day. No, adults today are too busy to inquire into the lives of youngsters. So why respect them? BUT GW is different! Adults and kids trading, chatting, depending on each other during a mission, working together in a guild, learning from each other! What a golden opportunity to restore values and hopefully see a new generation that did a better job than we did in regards to communicating with the next generation! We can be as cynical and pessimistic as experience has taught us to be, but the likelihood of good things happen increases greatly when you believe they can and that you can help.
I tend to have a more utopian/idealistic outlook on things. I think GW creates a great opportunity in spite of the hazards of predators. As long as the youngest players could be taught to not reveal ANY personal info, this game creates a community in which young and old can interract in ways not seen anywhere else in society. The immature do not become mature by getting older, but by observing and mimicking the mature. The loss of courrtesy, manners, and proper behavior in society can possibly be linked to this attitude: "They don't care about me, why should I care about them?" You do not see the old 1950's image where Mr. White is watering his lawn and waves to Jimmy on his bike on his way home from school to ask how it was that day. No, adults today are too busy to inquire into the lives of youngsters. So why respect them? BUT GW is different! Adults and kids trading, chatting, depending on each other during a mission, working together in a guild, learning from each other! What a golden opportunity to restore values and hopefully see a new generation that did a better job than we did in regards to communicating with the next generation! We can be as cynical and pessimistic as experience has taught us to be, but the likelihood of good things happen increases greatly when you believe they can and that you can help.
wanmoke
Skipping over quite a few pages in this thread...
Guild Wars has a Teen rating due to the graphical and storyline CONTENT of the game. That's all it's rated on, because the ESRB knows the company has no control over what individuals say or do in the game. Therefore, I expect anyone playing this game to be 13 years old.
Guild Wars has a Teen rating due to the graphical and storyline CONTENT of the game. That's all it's rated on, because the ESRB knows the company has no control over what individuals say or do in the game. Therefore, I expect anyone playing this game to be 13 years old.
HawkofStorms
Age doesn't matter. Maturity does.
However, legally speaking you have to be at least 18 years old to sign the EULA.
However, legally speaking you have to be at least 18 years old to sign the EULA.
Bryant Again
I wish this game had a maturity rating more of an age rating...Well, that and if maturity was measurable. Both would be amazingly useful.
Zinger314
13, to satisfy CAPTA.
If anyone disagrees with that, remember that you were once 13.
If anyone disagrees with that, remember that you were once 13.
Slycandestin
It depends, it's nice to play with a genious kid that's 11 years old and it's good to watch out for them. I see some annoying conversations in the towns sometimes, I don't know if people think they are being funny or they are just drunk, but age doesn't really matter. I was in a guild before with a leader that was 10 years old or something, although it was somewhat inactive I didn't have a problem with it. It's hard and takes too much time to manage a guild at that age though, it's a responsibility that shouldn't burnden a kid who should be spending time with friends and school stuff. Maybe around 15 years old it's ok, but seriously managing people is a lot for such a young age, I was impressed.
jimmyboveto
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Originally Posted by AceeBlueEagle
Age, probably 14+
BUT, that being said, parents should monitor how much time Junior spends on the pc. The game is highly addictive to some and it goes without saying that mom/dad must be involved in the kids daily lives. School is #1 priority. If junior can't respect obey that edict, buh-bye interweb. I hope people don't view it as a virtual baby-sitter for their kids but I am sure that the lazy, uninvolved parents do just that. Same goes for the latch-key kids.  |
BTW, I would say that at age ten you might not be mentally able to manage a guild, but in terms of time available, I know for a fact that I really had nothing to do that age. I couldn't imagine a 15 year old managing a guild though, high school is usually too demanding.
Mohnzh
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
If anyone disagrees with that, remember that you were once 13.
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jcrayon
I choose to define the OP question as "How old do you think someone should be to play this game WITHOUT ADULT GUIDANCE." - which is a question about the CONTENT of the game.
Some have chosen to read the OP question as "How old do you think someone should be to play this game and be part of a team or guild, and be neither an egomaniac or a total ass" - which is a question about maturity.
FWIW regarding the first view, I am a 39yo father in a corporate management position. My wife who also plays is similar age in a corporate graphics design department. We play in a guild of 40+ players ranging 13yo to 50yo and we always choose attitude over aptitude.
When we play, my 5 year old daughter usually sits between us and observes and helps. She follows the storyline, presses skill keys with guidance, and actually helps in the heat of battle - she'll watch the party bars and calls out who needs healing, or utters the classic "Stefan's dead again", or reminds us to collect drops. She has been exposed to real death in her short life and understands the concept of game death versus real death.
We mostly play in Tyria as it is easier to define "good vs bad" concepts of humans versus monsters there, than "human vs human" in Factions. She loves the cut scenes because they are like little movies, but there are some cut scenes we won't let her watch, especially the ones around Bloodstone Fen for instance.
Having a 5yo as guild mascot has actually been helpful to the guild. If someone's guild chat rant starts getting out of hand, a quick note (usually from others) that a 5yo might be reading their tirade usual calms people down and helps put their issues into perspective. It's also saved some of the 13/14yo from having to say anything and demonstrate their discomfort because someone has decided it's appropriate to give a detailed description of their sexual or alcoholic exploits.
The key is guidance. Guild Wars has some great, basic, moral messages in its storylines and has the capability of bringing good people together.
Some have chosen to read the OP question as "How old do you think someone should be to play this game and be part of a team or guild, and be neither an egomaniac or a total ass" - which is a question about maturity.
FWIW regarding the first view, I am a 39yo father in a corporate management position. My wife who also plays is similar age in a corporate graphics design department. We play in a guild of 40+ players ranging 13yo to 50yo and we always choose attitude over aptitude.
When we play, my 5 year old daughter usually sits between us and observes and helps. She follows the storyline, presses skill keys with guidance, and actually helps in the heat of battle - she'll watch the party bars and calls out who needs healing, or utters the classic "Stefan's dead again", or reminds us to collect drops. She has been exposed to real death in her short life and understands the concept of game death versus real death.
We mostly play in Tyria as it is easier to define "good vs bad" concepts of humans versus monsters there, than "human vs human" in Factions. She loves the cut scenes because they are like little movies, but there are some cut scenes we won't let her watch, especially the ones around Bloodstone Fen for instance.
Having a 5yo as guild mascot has actually been helpful to the guild. If someone's guild chat rant starts getting out of hand, a quick note (usually from others) that a 5yo might be reading their tirade usual calms people down and helps put their issues into perspective. It's also saved some of the 13/14yo from having to say anything and demonstrate their discomfort because someone has decided it's appropriate to give a detailed description of their sexual or alcoholic exploits.
The key is guidance. Guild Wars has some great, basic, moral messages in its storylines and has the capability of bringing good people together.
quickmonty
jcrayon ....
That was really nice. I thank you for sharing that with us.
That was really nice. I thank you for sharing that with us.
Bluefeather
There is a liar in this thread. They guy who claims that he has a 3 year old who can start up a pc, start the game (gw) and do mission. i wonder how he got the password.
why lie to prove a point?
that kind of post(s) prove(s) that maturity isn't really a matter of age. a three year old kid can lie just like his 30 year old father.
anyway, back to topic, everyone can lie about their age here. but you are not accepted / rejected based on your age as you claim. it is in your behavior in game. if you say your are 38 (im 38) and you act like a kid who never respect other people, no one will believe you and no guild (if you are already a member of a guild) will keep you. or if you are the guild leader who doesn't act properly, your "mature" guild members will abandon you.
everybody has the right to act they way they want. this is rpg. you chose a role (a good, well behaved player or a nasty "will dance naked for 10g") but don't expect everybody to accept you in their party or in their guild.
why lie to prove a point?
that kind of post(s) prove(s) that maturity isn't really a matter of age. a three year old kid can lie just like his 30 year old father.
anyway, back to topic, everyone can lie about their age here. but you are not accepted / rejected based on your age as you claim. it is in your behavior in game. if you say your are 38 (im 38) and you act like a kid who never respect other people, no one will believe you and no guild (if you are already a member of a guild) will keep you. or if you are the guild leader who doesn't act properly, your "mature" guild members will abandon you.
everybody has the right to act they way they want. this is rpg. you chose a role (a good, well behaved player or a nasty "will dance naked for 10g") but don't expect everybody to accept you in their party or in their guild.
Zeff Nut
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Originally Posted by Xx_Sorin_xX
kids will almost always be better than adults at video games. kids grew up with them, they understand basic gaming better and the fundamental points of all games better than an adult because kids have been more immersed in gaming. and when i say adults im talking 30+ (which would be the older crowd that you speak of imo).
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credit
A basic maturity test would suffice.
Amazing Avery
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Age doesn't matter. Maturity does.
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Chik N Nuggets
18+ mature? lul.
Biostem
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Originally Posted by credit
A basic maturity test would suffice.
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Tea Rose
lol.... you gotta love kids... they have no clue how much they don't know yet. No matter how well behaved they are, life still has much to teach them. And no matter how old they are, uncivil behavior is still a measure of how ignorant they are.
As an "empty nester" who loves Guild Wars, I think kids should be able to play as soon as they can understand/follow the rules (which means at least 13) and can play safely. But, one of the best things about the game is that I can choose who I want to game with and pretty much isolate myself from the children (both young and old). And since they have the same option, we can all be happy!
As an "empty nester" who loves Guild Wars, I think kids should be able to play as soon as they can understand/follow the rules (which means at least 13) and can play safely. But, one of the best things about the game is that I can choose who I want to game with and pretty much isolate myself from the children (both young and old). And since they have the same option, we can all be happy!
Cats
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
8 year olds will never be mature, no matter how mature acting they are. 13 year olds are worse then 8 year olds. They have hormone issues, and think that swearing is the most amazing thing ever. Piss off a 13-15 year old, and watch the foul language on your screen. Maturity is based not just on age, but experience (wisdom).
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There's an 10 year old boy in my guild. Even though he was teased quite a bit by another person which caused him to respond quite fiercely. We had a sit down session with him to teach him how to react positively, and take it all in his stride. He was very receptive, and matured dramatically over a short period of time. Today he's 11, and amazingly well behaved.
On the other hand, we've had to deal with a few 20-40+ year old members who showed a lack of self-control and caused a few problems. And even after being told a few times over the seriousness of the acts and how to respond in a much less negative manner, didn't take to it well at all because they believe they have life all figured out and thus are tightly shut to instructions and suggestions, decide to ragequit.
Categorizing all 8 and 13 year olds in such a sweeping manner would be casting stereotypes, and subject to blind prejudice.
RLBadKarma
Ok, I'm 45 years OLD, an IT Professional and have years of gaming behind me. I've played in online leagues in several different games. I have also played D&D since high school. I am also divorced and have many other interests outside of GW.
I started playing GW because a couple of my friends played. I feel that I am a very mature person, mainly because I shoulder a great deal of responsibility at work and interact with very high level executive professionals on a daily basis.
Maturity is a very relative concept. What constitutes maturity to one person may not be the same for another. For me, I construct my opinion of a person by the way they interact with me. Age makes no difference. Anyway, that person my be lying about their age.
I only interact with my guildies running quests and lvl'ing other guildies and when selling and buying. Sometimes I'll answer questions for people, but that is rare anymore since most of the time they are rude and ungrateful.
The main reason I do this, is because I'll be watching the trade channel looking for something and reading the all channel and the things I see there justify my choice not to interact with other people. The putdowns, the insults, the cursing and the general disrespect I see is tremendous. I have no idea how old these folks are and I really don't care. I do my thing and move on. Makes no difference to me.
Therefore, as for the age limitations, I don't care, makes no difference to me.
I started playing GW because a couple of my friends played. I feel that I am a very mature person, mainly because I shoulder a great deal of responsibility at work and interact with very high level executive professionals on a daily basis.
Maturity is a very relative concept. What constitutes maturity to one person may not be the same for another. For me, I construct my opinion of a person by the way they interact with me. Age makes no difference. Anyway, that person my be lying about their age.
I only interact with my guildies running quests and lvl'ing other guildies and when selling and buying. Sometimes I'll answer questions for people, but that is rare anymore since most of the time they are rude and ungrateful.
The main reason I do this, is because I'll be watching the trade channel looking for something and reading the all channel and the things I see there justify my choice not to interact with other people. The putdowns, the insults, the cursing and the general disrespect I see is tremendous. I have no idea how old these folks are and I really don't care. I do my thing and move on. Makes no difference to me.
Therefore, as for the age limitations, I don't care, makes no difference to me.
Spider Pig
I don't think there is an age for playing.
The idea of a game is to let people enjoy, so why children and teenagers can't play it?
I am almost 14, And i really love the game and play it a lot. So why does other people that are less mature then me deserve to play the game, and I don't?
I can say that I am more mature from some people in this game.
The idea of a game is to let people enjoy, so why children and teenagers can't play it?
I am almost 14, And i really love the game and play it a lot. So why does other people that are less mature then me deserve to play the game, and I don't?
I can say that I am more mature from some people in this game.
Chicken of the Seas
As many people have said before, its maturity, not age IMO. However I have a younger brother who is 7, and plays some MMOS (well, like Pirates online and Toontown/world whatever...) but I still get nervous for him, because I know what some of the people out there are like (out of experience). I don't want him to be like one of those irritating people who treat MMO's like popularity contests, and who don't have proper game etiquette. I just worry about his influence from the idiots that ruin the game for people...not saying that everyone is like that, but I kinda was when I was younger too
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Biostem
Well that's the trick; how exactly do you test for maturity?
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baz777
Maturity and good manners over age anytime!
Uber Mass
indeed maturity > age
Vl Vl D
17 is the legal age to be in a car crash and join the army to be shot fighting for you muma land in Australia, so if thats the case its ok by me to play with us nerds in guild wars.
JellyBelly
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Originally Posted by roshanabey2
people who don't spend time with their children and play on wow(hypothetical example) instead, so your sterotypical 30+ nerd(or any age, but you can't have a go at a 13 year old for playing obssesively but you can have a go at someone my age), and no I am not saying you should not play this game if you are 30+, just not obssesivly.)
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<sarcasm> The hell with the kids, they gotta grow up sometime. Its good for them to learn at a young age to cook their own dinner and all that crap. Why should I do it for them? I got better stuff to do, my heroes need leveled, and I gotta get farming all them goodies!! "Hey kids, bring mom a plate when dinners finally done! I can't get up, I'm in a party!! Don't forget to turn the stove off when you're done either!!" </sarcasm>
That said, and no offense meant, (see I can say that too, knowing I'm going to offend someone) I am fairly certain that the idiots constantly drawing penises and boobs on the mini-map are not the 18+ "kids".... more likely its the so-called "mature" teens and pre-teens.......
retro77
21, so that they are at least somewhat mature
Grasping Darkness
no matter what age, i kill you all the same 
it's more fun i guess to kill older people that try really hard at the game
it's more fun i guess to kill older people that try really hard at the game
Avarre
Teen and above.
Every player below the age of 13 I've run into has been a complete moron, and thoroughly unsuited to the teamwork dynamics of the game.
Every player below the age of 13 I've run into has been a complete moron, and thoroughly unsuited to the teamwork dynamics of the game.
Isileo
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Originally Posted by aapo
Puberty has dire consequenses to person's psyche. Yuck.
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I'm gonna use that as a new sig line somewhere.
jcrayon
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Biostem
Well that's the trick; how exactly do you test for maturity? And how do you make a test that is fair?
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Originally Posted by Biostem
If someone laughs at the word "boobies", doe sit make them immature?
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Originally Posted by JellyBelly
Bugger you, I guess I wasted my money buying this stupid game, that apparently I shouldn't be playing, since recently I read someone saying that WOMEN shouldn't play (I AM of the female persuasion), now 30+ shouldn't play (bugger you again, I AM 30+), and I AM a parent (4 children, aged 10 and under).
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PvP is male-dominated for whatever reason.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Make a normal adult listen to the person for 2 minutes. If the adult doesn't roll his/her eyes, the person is mature.
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And I wonder how such a test could be used on GW... or a variant or something o.o. 'Cause sometimes I picture it being really worth it... anything to have less rage-quitters.
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I read an article a while back that said women were unusually prevalent in most MMOs, to the point of being equal with the guys. I don't know how true that is of Guild Wars, but I've certainly had a huge number of women in my PvE guilds. In fact, every PvE guild I've been in has been led by a woman. PvP is male-dominated for whatever reason. |
Maybe I also assume too fast, but men seem to be more competitive than women, although I've met some very competitive women, and men who don't care about it. Depends more of their personalities than gender, IMHO.
BlackSephir
Old enough to have IQ of an average human being.
ManiSan
I would enjoy this game much more without teens... sry there are many nice youngs i would miss, but much more that do trashtalk and other BS.
Bad elements are able to make an incredible amount of "noise", to the point of totally polluting certain game modes (HA, RA).
At 6h pm, its just impossible to stay in HA if you're a polite person in french district. I suspect french players to be youngers than average. Take a look at them, 14-18 pgm, if GW was only played by teens it wouldnt be the good game it is.
Bad elements are able to make an incredible amount of "noise", to the point of totally polluting certain game modes (HA, RA).
At 6h pm, its just impossible to stay in HA if you're a polite person in french district. I suspect french players to be youngers than average. Take a look at them, 14-18 pgm, if GW was only played by teens it wouldnt be the good game it is.