Nerf Ursan Blessing! or we will all experience enormous devaluation in near future!

Misconception at best, generalization at worst. I couldn't care less about my "ph4t lewt," personally. I mean, I do like the pretty skins (subjective, not based on rarity), but I play for fun. The people who use Ursan for elite (or any other) areas most likely are the type you describe, and you're probably right on that assessment. There's no way it can be fun to use the same skills in the same zones over and over again - they're going in with a purpose, and that purpose is probably that "ph4t lewt."

So yeah, those types will lose interest in PvE, and subsequently the whole game (since they won't set foot in PvP), no matter what happens. When you play solely for accomplishment, what is there to do once the accomplishment is reached? Heh, I guess the existence of Ursan only speeds up this process. C'est la vie!

lol.
Their AI is bad. Very.
All they did with them and Hard Mode was give them buffs to their damage power, and alot of mobs don't even have monks.

This thread is so great... emo smiley decided to bring his aprentice

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Hasnt this bear shaped horse been pulerized to a pulp yet?




and Talking about a skill in a game which you play to have fun, if you dont like or want to use it... then dont use it.
Join a friends/guild/alliance group which has teh same views as you do... if that doesnt work... then your in the wrong guild/alliance anyways.

And now back to you.

Go away, read the other thread about Ursan and read, why it should not be left alone.

If you say ,,don't nerf Ursan because it doesn't affect you'' - What you'll say about other pve-only nerfs? SoA, Searing Flames, Stoneflesh Aura, Sand Storm, Spirit Bond... They nerfed them badly, even though you could say ,,why nerf it, if they bother you, just don't use them!''.

I can think of a few reasons why people would support Ursan.

1) They need it to succeed - this is definitely the majority of people, they can't (rather won't) try to get into decent guilds if they are an "undersirable" profession - emphasis on undesirable because to most players Paragons etc are not wanted - they may also need them to succeed because said players are just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible at the game - this is really the more common reason.

2) The only time Ursan Blessing will look like a good skill is if you aren't that good. 100 damage every 3 seconds is actually not that impressive at all and it offers no real utility except a knockdown - I can get better than 100dps on my warrior and still have 5 - 6 other slots available.. Sure I can be shut down - which is why it helps to play with other people that don't suck. (obviously in PUGs this simply isn't possible)

3) People who use the "it's just a game" excuse are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded to be honest. Just because it's a game doesn't mean to say it shouldn't be balanced or require team work - in Warcraft if I don't have the people to say.. raid Gruul's Lair, guess what, I can't do it then!, I don't see why everyone seems to be under the impression they should be able to do every area in the game, especially considering just how terrible most of them are.
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I don't think Ursan is a strong skill, there are much better templates, but the much better templates generally require you and your team to not suck - though the popular opinion seems to be you should be able to suck and still do everything the game has to offer.

I couldn't really give a shit what happens to it, I just laugh at all the people who defend its use because they'd be absolutely screwed without it (or other PVE skills for that matter) - you can use all the "omg just don't use it if you don't like it" bullshit, but the real reason you defend it is you'd be totally boned without it in the game, don't deny it, you're bad.

Dont get me wrong. Im not defending UB. Ive joined a few UB groups as either an R7 Ursan or an N/Rit healer.... but to tell the truth both of those were boring as hell.

I prefere to play in friends groups with balanced builds (with maybe 1 or max 2 UB players if it really rocks their ship). The rest (including me) have anything but the bearform as our elite... and guess what. Its fun to play UW or FoW again.

Just leave the damn skill alone. Enough UB groups fail because the players know jack all about playing and proceede to over agro / accept the wrong quests at the wrong time / or plainly recieve more damage than the por monks can heal/protect by staying an a bunch of meteor showers thinking they are immune.

If through some wonder all of these players get a mirculous brain buff and can actually use UB in an inteligent manner (IE keeping their eye on multiple targets and not just spamming 11112221112121111112 ,most of them dont even use the ursan roar for damage reduction/increase, the whole time), then the skill should get a nerf.

Other than that, I see no reason to nerf the skill. It gives bad players the illusion that they can beat an Elite area (even after countelss fails) and good players who are lazy an excuse to go leeroy around instead of using pvxwiki builds the whole time.

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Ugh. Why do so many people say "get a guild"? If these people you're talking about are so bad, they won't be accepted by "good" (elitist) guilds.

Oh wait, you're from SMS...

Oxymoron?

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No. Don't nerf ursan because it RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs the economy.

NERF URSAN BECAUSE IT RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS THE GAME.

It's a single skill which replaces all other skills except monk skills in the game. How much more broken can anything get?

Here's how to nerf it: make the AoE knockdown a single-target knockdown (like headbutt). That's all it takes to make Ursan a well-behaved and no longer game-breaking skill.

wow so many people that want the game played there way by everyone else

I thought the economy was pretty much ruined anyway. Granted I haven't played in months but last time I did play there were no more uber valuable items, just a lot of 10-20K junk. UB didn't do it. Arena net was trying to put an end to the days of the ultra farmer long before UB came along.

I'd say remove this stupid skill all together. GW has been dumbed down enough already. The market has crashed dramatically compared to 'the old days' AND i'm getting sick and tired of being rejected into groups for not having rank 10 norn OR Ursan blessing (i have it, but i refuse to use it, farkin' brainless skills ftl)

GW is a skill based game.. well, it USED to be. Now you can do anything you want to by just equipping 1 skill. Whooptiefriggindoo! Now a 9 year old can play GW too, because he can mash buttons just as well as an 18 year old (or a 31 year old, whatever).

Nerf it or get rid of it.

(i still find it hilarious that people call Ursan Blessing a 'build')

The terrible people I'm referring too should be entirely incapable of doing DoA if it really is an "elite" mission, since it would make sense if elite didn't actually mean "as terrible as you want, just smash number 1 on your keyboard"

Everyone else should consider getting friends to do it with, for what it's worth SMS has absolutely very few (if any) requirements to join it and me being in SMS has sod all to do with my attitude on the forum. I wasn't even in SMS when I first did DoA with 5 heroes, you obviously don't have half a clue about SMS as a guild so maybe you shouldn't comment on it.

I don't consider it elitist saying most people are bad at the game, I think it's fairly true, it's got a very large learning curve, but you don't need to be decent to do most of it anyway... therefore most people don't care to improve because they simply don't need to, skills like Ursan make them need to even less. Like I said I don't care what happens to Ursan (though the large amount of forum posts if it did got nerfed would be an entertaining read), but the absolute one reason why most people defend it is because they wouldn't stand a chance in some elite missions without it. They rely on it, while it's not a _great_ skill, it makes up for an immense lack of player ability and so do many other pve skills.

There's really not a good argument against not nerfing it (don't run it if you don't like it isn't a good argument for the record). It is exceptionally mind-numbing and makes up for a lack of talent more than something like blood spike does in gvg. To anyone who cares about PVE balance then it's the most obvious skill to nerf. Obviously a lot of people don't and want to be able to do everything in the game without really having to learn how to play, therefore they'd like it to stay.

why isn't this post closed yet?

I don't even use UB since my main is an ele, and even with the armor bonus, a squishy is a squishy

the point is that the OP failed to see that the economy died when nightfall came along, now is just rare to see trades fulls of pink globes for a r9 15^50 non insc crystalline

duping put the last nail to the armbrace cuffin and ub is assuring it with extra nails, so i don't see the point in saving an already dead economy

There are still more tissues available to the Q.Qers losing their precious virtual money from which will have 0 effect in real life cause they still have to work to pay their bills and they still have to work to pay to live. Sorry this is the blind truth...sadly

- Ganni

Thread winner!

I think the bold text i highlighted has some problem, why are you trying to prevent players from playing the game?

Because there ELITE areas, designed for ELITE players (IE people who don't suck...)

+1

players 1 buys game
players 2 buys game

both players gets to a point where they get the skill ursan blessing, both are entitle to use it.

if both players happens to have all elite areas available for them, they are both entitle to play in that area with what ever skill set they so chooses. no one can say who is more ELITE .

PS: if you think playing in Elite area makes a players elite think again, its just an area where if you do A + B + C ie complete certain mission, may you do it with heros/hench, solo it or with the help of friends and guildies, eventually every player gets there.

Not really.
They were designed to take more skill than other areas, instead of bringing up this idiotic buttonmashing crap which we have today, that works...

True.... But, don't they also want to have fun? Is'nt that the reason they bought the game? I know thats the reason i bought the game...

Ursan however is far from fun... As anyone can see, all it is is mindless button mashing... So, basicly, if you did'nt buy the game to have fun...

Then why the hell did you buy it?

epic lawlz

Your profession is listed as W/Mo.

Don't use skill you don't like, i don't and the game is still 100% fun

And how is that funny...?

That was my first character... I've changed the secondary now, of course.

You really need to think before you post... -.-

You see, thats the problem, more and more people are using Ursan, all the guilds i've been in use Ursan, and so won't group with non-ursan's...

No fun for me.

1 - You can change that in your profile.

2 - I wanted to make fun of you since I saw by one of your posts that you're an elitist jackass. The easiest way is to flame you for being a Wammo, and then merrily dance along to the next thread.

Stop double posting, Hammer, it's annoying.

You flame everything, you have problems.

I know i can change it, but i'm not going too, mostly because i like too remember my newbie days...

Mending Touch says your the jackass.

Odd last time i played The Deep i was told exactly what skills to have or be kicked and told to stand in one spot and, you've guessed it, mash buttons. How are the "elite" areas so much harder to play than Ursan? All they required was a bit longer thinking bout builds or more normally a trip to PvXWiki. Thats what you class as "not sucking" being able to load a PvX build into your bar then hit the skills in the order it tells you?

Edit after seeing above post : You started the flame fest by saying people that use Ursan just "suck", also you are clearly posting for post count as you :
a) Double post
b) Posted a "+1" in your post i quoted

No, PvX helps newbies, i make my own builds...

Edit: The double post was... Unintentional.

I did'nt start any "flame fest" Zahr is trying too.

Of course I do.

No, I'm just easily amused.

The English language hates you. Poor old grammar...

Ok, I get it, you're a noob at the game. You build for solo 1v1 duels.

In a team build it would be the monk, N/Rt, or Rt's job to remove conditions. And Guild Wars is a team game.

I'm not taking the bait. I'm gone.

But most people don't when going to "elite" areas, they just visit PvX, because it's easier, same reason people use Ursan

What is so wrong with players with less experiance or time to play having access to harder areas?

You say you can't find a group that don't run Ursan, then join a guild that don't want Ursan, call it We Hate [UB] or something. Theres enough people that hate Ursan on the forum to make a decent sized Alliance, but theres also enough that like it/don't care to form the rest of the playerbase.

You obviously missed my point. ANY skill / skill combo could be seen as over powered in large numbers. Just look at paragons, fairly balanced until you put 2 or 3 together. The same goes for death blossom, splinter/barrage, lightning orb, feast of corruption, energy surge, triple chop, clamor of souls, cruel spear, and reapers sweep. All of those skills will devastate one or more targets in an opposing party if hit by multiple sources.

Yes, ursan is powerful, yes, it does dumb things down a bit, however nobody forces you to use it. If you want to DoA in a non-ursan group, then make one. If you're whining because your armbrace isn't as valuable as it once was, here's a hanky, go blow your nose because frankly, I don't think anything in the game should be worth that much and it's pricing things at that level that harm the economy, simply because people go, I can't afford X, so I have to go buy some gold. Oh wait we're against gold sellers here aren't we? Make things more affordable and the gold sellers no longer see a profit and they start to evaporate.

Not fast enough.

As to Ursan, I won't miss it if it goes away. But I don't mind it here either. In other words I don't care at all if it's here or not.

/signed \

nerf it..even people who arn't signing it agree that it is both ruining the economy and unbelievably easy to play from the dozen or so posts i read.

Thats your OPINION. Not a fact

Thats what annoys me most about these "nerf ursan" threads, you don't like using it so others should be stopped from using it?

/notsigned to this thead (never actually mentioned /notsigned but its pretty clear)

simple every1 who is way too skilled for ursan just go play pvp! close this dumb thread let anet do w.e they want with the blessing. this thread is so useless and anyone who demands a nerf of ursan is just a crybaby! doa deep urgoz they all had cookie cutter builds they were all boring and so is ursan take ur pick.

There
Fixed

There, Fixed again.

*Yawn*
Reading arguments on forums late at night is fun for some reason...

Ursan threads need to stop, they're full of QQ/flames/troll/spam. I'm pretty sure ANet know everything they need to know about ursan and how it's ruining the game/helping players who can't do something do it with ease, if they plan on changing it they will. The horse is dead, stop beating the crap out of it.