Nerf Ursan Blessing! or we will all experience enormous devaluation in near future!

if u want to cry about ursan in doa do it hm its not a walkin in the park.and its just not ursan its the cons set too. most of the places u can not just run ursan u would die. u need the con set as well

But it remains an issue. People generally dont just walk away and accept things they still have issue with. Mainly because they dont accept it, hence the reason its an issue....

Arenanet refuses to nerf it, end of story. They've told us already. Anything else is just beating a dead horse, and there's really no need for it.

you mean Elitist dont accept it..hence the reason for issue.

Yes but then they have said they wouldnt do other things yet have, they also said they wouldnt do a lot of things and people still discuss and ask for them because they feel it would be an improvement.

Well im not an elitist and I dont like it.

My problem isnt with titles being "ruined" and the average player getting to enter the high end areas. Infact if you check some of my other posts you will see I ask for changes for both of them.

My problem is that it removes a huge ammount of skill requirement from the game.
That the whole limited bar system that required you to think about your build is gone.

Suddenly you have a single skill that is better than a full bar with 8 skills on it.
That doesnt require skill to use yet yields greater power than a build that requires your full atention.

You can sit back and just use each skill as it recharges, you dont need to worry about anything when using it. Assuming you dont go out of your way to fail you will pretty much never die.

I think A-net knew Ursan Blessing was a very elite skill. I think they knew that people would start using it for UW,FoW,DoA etc. I think they wanted all the mesmers and people to get into groups for something instead of leaving leftout

I don't think the people that are against Ursan Blessing often consider the consequences of removing it.

You have to understand, the game is in a period where most of the community hangs by a thread. The growth rate has slowed significantly, there is no new content, and the sequal has been announced, and new games are coming out each day that will oustrip guild wars and subtract further from the Guild Wars playerbase.

It's common knowledge that if you remove a popular feature from a game, you will lose a lot of your playerbase. Ursan is a prime example. It's basically the only effective way to PuG, as skilled people are nowhere to be found more often then not. If you take out Ursan, these groups disappear, and if groups disappear, the people who enjoy a social gameplay experience will go along with them.

So there's a lot of your playerbase gone already. The idea that the game would just revert back to it's pre-ursan state is a dead one. There would be far too much whining, a huge drop in the community population, and grouping would become nearly impossible.

The prices of items that were devalued by Ursan would not jump back up. They would continue to depriciate, and they are very near a point where taking the effort to normally play the game to get them without Ursan isn't worth the time. So there goes a lot of item farming, such as Armbraces/Ectoplasm/Shards for the groups that Ursan UW/FoW/DoA.

So as everything depreciates, the game just slowly fades and more players quit because of it. When you remove players, you remove sales from Arenanet.

-New players are far less likely to buy other campaigns because of lack of grouping.
-Trial key users are far less likely to buy the game period.
-Players that own all the campaigns do not buy extra upgrades.
-New items in the store would not be enough to compensate the population drop, therefore, there's no remedy to this.

Ultimatly, by removing or nerfing Ursan Blessing, you ask the game to die, and Arenanet's profits to plummit. UB has become a crutch that the game now stands on. Remove the crutch, and it will fall. It's not fair to ask all of this because 1% of the community does not just sit back and eat the free cake like everyone else. Losing this one percent because of Ursan Blessing is a far less consequence than nerfing it.

For all intents and purposes, the opinion of Anti Ursan has fallen on the deaf ears of Arenanet, because if they leave, it's better than losing everyone they would if they nerfed it. Your opinion is now in the sheer minority, and that's not enough to move a mountain, and never will be.

I couldn't care less about the bling supply, but I do think UB has done bad things to build diversity. It's the apotheosis of the cookie-cutter mentality. On the other hand, before UB, only 3 professions could get into DoA groups. So there is a sacrifice in build diversity, but a gain in diversity of professions getting into DoA.

On the whole, I fall on the "keep it" side of the debate. The elitists can go hang.

Aside from that, it's been out a really long time. The damage has been done. Get over it and move on.

Isn't making stuff cheaper good?

Pretty sure not everyone would leave. They still sold a fair number of copies of Factions, Nightfall, and EOTN after introducing AoE scatter, inscriptions, loot scaling, all of this stuff that hurt how PvE was played. They would lose people who have no clue how to adapt and just power farm with the skill. Those are the kinds of players who don't PuG anyway. I wouldn't lose sleep over those people.

The people who have a clue of how to play the game have always been the minority.

You can't deny that they did lose a lot of players though. Now that the sequal is on its way, the growth isn't enough to compinsate those numbers of loss. No, not everyone would leave, but the number of people who would leave because it was nerfed far outnumber those who would leave if it wasn't.



No, you wouldn't, but Arenanet would, as there goes about half their playerbase. It's not only them who would leave though. It would just be the final blow to a lot of players that are on the edge anyway, which, is a lot nowadays.


No Argument there.

Can we just nerf the legions of Whiny bitches who like to tell others how to play?

anyone that wants ursan nerfed is prob a duper!

why? becuase the only thing ursan is killing is AMBRACES!

most high end traders won't be affected becuase 2000e is how much an average high end trader will have. If you have more than 100ambraces then 99% ur braces belong to a duper.

USE UR HEADS PEOPLE

URSAN WAS INTROED TO KILL DUPED AMBRACES if ambraces r worth nuthin, then duped braces worth nuthing. SIMPLE!

Exactly. We live in a "tyranny of the majority" in GW. GW is a democracy taken control by the mob. There are not enough lines of cleavage within the GW society to split groups up to prevent coalitions of popular opinion taking control.

To those who don't understand that political science analogy, I'm using the same terminology that appears in the Federalist Papers, which, while promoted the Constitution, does describe some of the flaws in Democracy. Believe it or not, Democracy isn't perfect, and our founding fathers acknowledged it. Your civics class in high school (a government run institution, so duh) glossed over some of the theory.


@zway, use your head. Ursan existed BEFORE duped armbraces existed, so how is ursan a response to duping?
Oh, and Ursan is also destroying ectos and increasing the power of feathers, granite, and dust, used in consumables for the Ursan pugs.

Tyranny of Majority is the situation in most RPG's rooting from the fact that they exist to make money, and they want more players, not less. If a decision will let them keep 70% of the population, and lose 30%, but it must be made, they'll naturally go with 70% because it's better for business.

I love how everyone who cries for UB to be nerfed use the economy as the reason why. You are worried over an imaginary economy that frankly, none of you will give a crap about in 1 yr or so when GW2 comes out. Those of you that claim you won't get GW2 & will stay with GW1 will quit soon when you realize that Anet will not release any new content at all & get bored with it.

Let's face it, people claimed that when the favor system changed ecto prices would drop, they've been steady at 5.5k at trader for about a yr before the favor system change, & it hasn't really changed since.

Now UB is the new complaint over why someones oh so expensive item is not worth so much anymore. Keep in mind people that things like DoA have been here for well over a yr. Anybody that wanted it, has it, and those that are getting them now to sell, are not greedy little (fill in the blank) like you babies seem to be. Get over having lots of money in an imaginary world that means absolutly NOTHING in the real world, & play the game for what it was meant to be played for..... fun.

incase you can't figure it out....... /unsigned

Waaaah, my epeen is getting smaller!

Ursan's Blessing should be tweaked to be closer in usefulness to the majority of PvE skills, and to the majority of Elite skills.

But the reason for doing so is not because of the economy. It is to promote fun and diversity (this being PvE).

I think Anet values the 90% that cannot afford 100k 20e Armbraces more than those 10% who can afford it. And rightly they should, as a business and also the administrator of a game environment.

They should be worried if a majority of players are playing only with Ursan's Blessing on their bar, because those same players would be bored and regard the game as one dimensional. The same can be said for several other PvE skills.

I seem to recall that before Ursan you couldnt get a group for DoA either if you werent running one of the proscribed builds of the time, nothing changed except the build.

The cheaper stuff gets the better imo, its those players who Q.Q about their precious armbrace usually make these idiotic threads.

- Ganni

Uhm. Really? People that play mesmers usually look for challenging game, because they/we play a harder to use profession.

Btw: Just to experience how Ursan made all players using it unskilled - Yesterday I went with ursanway as a monk (because my only character with ursan is r6) and we died after 20 minutes. Why? After, with much pain, clearing chamber + graspings, we tried to kill terrorwebs. Guess what? THEY LURED NOT ONLY TERRORS, BUT ALSO TWO GROUPS OF AATXES!! We barely made it, although 3 of ursans died, one survived and we had an ele tanking one aatxe. I HAD TO USE REBIRTH TO REZ THEM -.- We killed remains, and they guess what... Someone took the Unwanted Guests quest and aggroed aatxes. 2 people left, after few seconds I did too.

Ursan is BAD for PvE and PuGs. It's just bad and deserves to die a worse death than ViM's.

It's hard to say. Noise about Ursan started before Christmas which would've been just a few months after EOTN's release. Here we are not two months after Christmas with these complaints showing up more and more. Armbraces have died in price due to a number of reasons with Ursan being at the core of it. Yes there was that hidden outpost that allowed players to power-farm Mallyx but it was made simple with Ursan (consumables wouldn't be enough to help the average person figure him out). The duping had very little to do with the pricing; I recall having no troubles selling an armbrace for a lot more than they're worth now after that fiasco was dealt with. Anyway Ursan is mainly dominant in DoA as it stands, that much is obvious. After it has been farmed to the point where players are no longer making good money off the Armbraces they will move to other areas and power farm there. As it becomes the prefered PuG method of choice other builds will die out to the superiority of the Ursan Blessing. Steel Wall, B/P, whatever is currently being used is weaker to Ursan by comparison, especially when you factor in the ease of use.

Enough people will become fed up with Ursan at that point as it spreads everywhere. Players will need it to PuG, either they go along with it or try to find a group of friends or guild that doesn't. I imagine by that point a lot of guilds will have converted entirely to Ursan as well, knowing how effective it can be used, and because of course how any profession can use it. If they can't find anyone they'll probably just quit. At this point I would say if you're part of a PvE guild that doesn't use Ursan hang onto them for dear life if you want to continue reaping the benefits of using a non one-dimensional skillbar.

People use Ursan for a few things; titles, wealth, and getting to PuG as an 'unwanted' profession. Ursan as we've established reigns over DoA. Once those armbraces are worth nothing people will move on, anyone wanting to PuG there won't be able to because wealth is what drives the PvE playerbase. Recall those 117 banned for the Mallyx exploit; they knew it was wrong but they were driven by the easy wealth they could hoard. Now if everything slowly starts to drop in price what is there to motivate the players to play? With more and more people using Ursan it's becoming more and more people that are just going to give up and quit the game when there is nothing else for them to farm with that skill.

Personally I don't care about the economy but I know people in my guild do, and some of the people on my friend's list. They like others are driven by having wealth. Indirectly the skill effects how I play because if the people in my guild become less motivated to play I have less people to play with.

simple dont pug..
join a decent guild and use whatever builds you want..
ursan didnt make bad pugs, they have always been there...

make the skill only usesalbe in GweN = fixed

O.o A pve skill that can't be used in PvE, Killing the skill entirely not the best idea imo.

Just accept it and if you don't want ursans then don't pug = fixed. The Others can do what they want, shouldn't be your business.

- Ganni

So, if other people steal, it shouldn't be your business. Okay, keep thinking this way until someone will rob your house.

It's funny before UB people cried about the lack of teamwork in game areas, that too many people h/h. Now, people team up and have fun in harder areas. Personally, I would trade UB for a full party of heros in a second. But then people would cry about the social aspect again. In other words, I think the same people are going to cry no matter what.

comparing theft to ursan QFT

its a GAME

make ursan HM only lol...
i don't like it, its the worse skill eva!
but thats my opinion.
Nerf it, Nerf it now

Ursan Blessing,
for ten seconds you take half damgae
recharge 1hour

=gg

Gaile has already confirmed that req7 items still drop.

If you want something rare and valuable, try to find max req 7 items. Ursan blessing never grant that.

so... UB makes it impossible to find a party using a normal build at DoA unless you're in a party of guildies or alliance members? *tries to remember how it was before UB* oh, that's right, it was exactly the same except there weren't all the people using UB standing in the outpost.

And how many of those players who were in parties with their pre-selected builds would accept some non-guildie into their party who did not know the build and take the time to show them through the area? I can bet it's somewhere between 0 and 1.

On that basis, no more people would be learning how to do DoA and therefore render the area dead. You can't find pugs in a dead area, but you can find them in an area packed of people even if they are just using Ursan. I know what I'd prefer to see.

Ursan is a pro-pug skill. It's really that simple. If you think that's not true, then start explaning why you can't give PvE skills to heroes. And if it never worked as being a pro-pug skill then start explaning why professions that could previously not get into a pug group now can when running Ursan. If you can't handle a game where the developers try to promote people working together then I think those "elitist" should maybe resign from MMO's altogether.

The only thing I'm disappointed about is that they don't improve Raven or Volfen blessing to make them somewhat comparable to Ursan.

Sorry Ursan dosent make people more stupid than they really are, and people play mesmer in pve because they like pain.

Ursan also makes the game fun and fast. It kills stuff. Please dont ruin my fun.

Maybe you were extremely unlucky? I could get with each my pve character, even a mesmer, into a pug and play. DoA - nuker, BiP ranger. UW/FoW - ranger, monk, elementalist, mesmer, ritualist, paragon. I don't play deep/urgoz.

Too bad GW isn't a MMO. It's CORPG that was about skill>time. Guess what - I finished today 2 dungeons and a mission with Ursan within 3 hours, on hard mode - Sepulchre of Dragrimmar, Raven's Point and Destruction's Depths. During only the first one we died once (not all of us - 2-3 people), because we didn't take another big mistake in PvE - consumables. I could eat dinner with one hand and c-space + buttonmash with my other hand. Or read a book and play without looking at screen. Why? I don't need tactics with ursan, I don't have to think. Even pulling is not needed, thanks to the mass AoE knockdown each 10 seconds.

If you can prove me that Ursan didn't make game 100% time > skill, I won't bother you anymore with my moaning about it. But as for now, only people normally failing at game are defending it or those that are lazy and don't want a challenge.

edit: Forgot to tell - Currently, GW's pve is the least challenging in all of MMORPG's. I can give at least 5 other games that require more skill than GW does. Sadly, it wasn't true a year ago. Say thanks to EotN.

You already answered yourself. If you're looking for the real culprit of the insta win PvE, just go as far as consumables.
The only thing that ursan took out of the equation was coordination. It essentialy removed the hassle of going onto PvXwiki and getting a team build (a big plus for the uncoordinated pug, right?). And as far as killing the economy, it hasn't touched anything effectively except armbraces, which due to the whole duping event, were already feeling some heat. It's laughable to say how they are killing shard and ecto prices when you look at the amount of solo farmers who live in ToA, and have lived there for the last 2+ years.

so i'm back to the game after leaving since nov and this happens....

i go into GWEN to take a break for gvg/ha and people start asking for rank.... im like LOL?.... so the guy says i need r9+ for Norn farm... im like ok.... so i tiger the guy and he boots me... im like WTF i am r9... hes like no we are looking for r9+ ursan... T_T

You could meet phaggots in game long before UB.

*close thread.*

:S stop crying OMFG!
GW HAS NEEVVAH BEEN SKILLS>TIME FROM MORE THAN A YEAR!
Rank req. PUG are TIME>SKILL! i know many r8+ NOOBS and many R3-- GOOD GAMERS, and still they can not get higher rank just beacuse no one wants ppl with no or low rank, so yeah that makes it TIME>skill --> ppl that were there when game came out could easily find a pug as noone would want rank requirement, just coz ppl still don`t have them, SO URSAN IS NOT WHAT MADE THE GAME TIME>SKILL! more over u do not need time to get UB ?!
1 more u want challenge? then don`t use ursan.
NOONE said u have to use it, am i right?

ursan just sucks

Reflect, your post is hard to read.
It did used to be Skill>Time, you're just not viewing things correctly.

I've given up on arguments about removing Ursan from the game, because it will cause mass QQ on GW:EN not being worth it as thats one of the only reasons to buy GW:EN nowadays...

Also - UB made the game on PvE atleast 5x more Skills>Time than the majority of it already was.

GG bad Skill design.