Nerf Ursan Blessing! or we will all experience enormous devaluation in near future!

Proff

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

What's with all the crying about ursan? What does it matter what someone else is running? For all I care you can run mending and frezy as long as you're not on my team, and if you're worrying about you not being able to show off in your tormented weapons and fow you are months if not years too late. Just about everyone doing the elite areas has them and if that's not the reason and you like a challenge get a group of players, think of a good team build and do DOA HM. But if you're here crying about more people farming the same areas you used to farm then gtfo.

I Will Heal You Ally

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

E/Rt

No! Do not nerf Ursan Blessing... Now everyone get a chance to get into a group, mez, para, sin, rit, etc... Ursanway is the only team setup where any profession is welcome

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Look, I hate the skill, but this is the millionth thread like this, but I'm tired of arguing about it.
Just like the fight over inscriptions, you are not going to change people's minds. People are very passionate about this and threads like this always just end up in flames.
/pre-emptive lock suggested because these types of threads never go anywhere good

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Anet is just preparing for the death of the game. It doesn't matter if all the bad players get access to high end areas and overfarm them now. Now this game is about grind > skill, since no one is going to take a skilled warrior over a high ranked ursan. They don't need to change that, since it's just a foreshadowing of what GW2 is going to be like. Grind > skill.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
Anet is just preparing for the death of the game. It doesn't matter if all the bad players get access to high end areas and overfarm them now. Now this game is about grind > skill, since no one is going to take a skilled warrior over a high ranked ursan. They don't need to change that, since it's just a foreshadowing of what GW2 is going to be like. Grind > skill.
If all the noobs go to GW2, and they support GW, who cares about GW2?

Edit: they won't nerf Ursan -_-, if they do, EoTN is devalued.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
Anet is just preparing for the death of the game. It doesn't matter if all the bad players get access to high end areas and overfarm them now. Now this game is about grind > skill, since no one is going to take a skilled warrior over a high ranked ursan. They don't need to change that, since it's just a foreshadowing of what GW2 is going to be like. Grind > skill.
Unfortunate, but true.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dronte
Its too late already.
It wasn't too late when they did other unpopular moves, like the AoE nerf and the MM nerf...

Personally, I don't care whether a skill-less build such as Ursan exists in the game. I just hate that getting into a non-Ursan PuG for certain areas is becoming harder and harder...

t00115577

t00115577

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
Anet is just preparing for the death of the game. It doesn't matter if all the bad players get access to high end areas and overfarm them now. Now this game is about grind > skill, since no one is going to take a skilled warrior over a high ranked ursan. They don't need to change that, since it's just a foreshadowing of what GW2 is going to be like. Grind > skill.
What the hell GW2 is not even in sight yet its so far away, its like 18 months til it comes out! Anyway, games about FUN not showing off weapons and armour. Ursan is FUN, god forbid we have some fun while playing a VIDEO GAME!

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

They've already said, repeatedly, that it's not getting a nerf. Personally, I don't care. Let people take Mallyx down in 20 seconds. If it means I can finally get into a group and go "Oh look, Ursans, we can do this" instead of "Oh god, three wammos, we're dead" I'm okay with it. GW's economy is already so damn broken anyway.

Even though I personally don't Ursanway.

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

At the risk of sounding like a dour New Age meany, I will attempt to humbly set forth a brief précis of Ursan users's most stolid traducements in hopes of convincing you, the reader, to help mention a bit about overweening blockheads such as Ursan users. Let me get to the crux of the matter: I like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Ursan users and its hatchet men are, by nature, manipulative bozos. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but this is not the place to develop that subject. It demands many pages of analysis, which I can't spare in this letter. Instead, I'll just state the key point, which is that if we clear the cobwebs out of people's heads and help them understand that Ursan users's undertakings violate the rational, enlightened claims of their own enunciatory modality then the sea of ageism, on which Ursan users so heavily relies, will begin to dry up.

Every time Ursan users utters or writes a statement that supports revisionism -- even indirectly -- it sends a message that we ought to worship crude cowards as folk heroes. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, believe that we mustn't let it make such statements, partly because it is eminently uncontrollable, but primarily because imperialism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's Ursan users's favorite; it makes it easy for it to grant bad-tempered prigs the keys to the kingdom.

I am not a robot. I am a thinking, feeling, human being. As such, I get teary-eyed whenever I see Ursan users pit race against race, religion against religion, and country against country. It makes me want to give it condign punishment, which is why I'm so eager to tell you that Ursan users wants to keep essential documents hidden from the public until they become politically moot. You know what groups have historically wanted to do the same thing? Fascists and Nazis.

Shame on Ursan users for thinking that people like you and me are peremptory! My next point of order is that Ursan users contends that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. Sounds rather clumsy, doesn't it? Well, that's Ursan users for you.

Perhaps Ursan users received its information (or rather, misinformation) from late-night television programs and "B" movies. Ursan users says that its vices are the only true virtues. This is noxious falsehood. The truth is that it asserts that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. Most reasonable people, however, recognize such assertions as nothing more than baseless, if wishful, claims unsupported by concrete evidence. I would unequivocally be surprised if Ursan users stopped to communicate and share ideas with even one of the people it regularly attacks. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that I am a law-and-order kind of person. I hate to see crimes go unpunished. That's why I truly hope that Ursan users serves a long prison term for its illegal attempts to supply the chains that bind the individual to notions of self-loathing and unworthiness.

If you ever ask Ursan users to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed. Ursan users is unable to support its assertions with documentation of any sort. In that context, one could say that Ursan users thinks I'm trying to say that this is the best of all possible worlds and that it is the best of all possible organizations. Wait! I just heard something. Oh, never mind; it's just the sound of the point zooming way over Ursan users's head. Ursan users's intoxication with careerism is what prompts it to pervert human instincts by suppressing natural, feral constraints and encouraging abnormal patterns of behavior. To be more pedantic about it, it is an inspiration to oppressive freaks of nature everywhere. They panegyrize Ursan users's crusade to replace discourse and open dialogue with benighted crusades and blatant ugliness and, more importantly, they don't realize that Ursan users's apologists believe that boosterism resonates with the body's natural alpha waves. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence.

After being called a bookish perjurer a hundred times or so by Ursan users and its cheerleaders, I have reached the conclusion that that fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. The time is always right to do what is right. That's why we must raise issues, as opposed to guns or knives, while remaining true to those beliefs, ideals, and aspirations we hold most dear. The first step in that process is to realize that its reports are a parody of original thought. But there's the rub; it is currently limited to shrieking and spitting when it's confronted with inconvenient facts. Before you know it, however, Ursan users is likely to switch to some sort of "acquire power and use it to indoctrinate ethically bankrupt varmints" approach to draw our attention away from such facts.

I want nothing more -- or less -- than to unveil the semiotic patterns that Ursan users utilizes to blow the whole situation way out of proportion. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise. Ursan users has found a way to avoid compliance with government regulations, circumvent any further litigation, and throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future -- all by trumping up a phony emergency. I and Ursan users part company when it comes to the issue of immoralism. It feels that its cajoleries are our final line of defense against tyrrany while I contend that if you think that this is humorous or exaggerated, you're wrong. We can quibble about many of the details but we can't quibble about the fundamental fact that we must protect our peace, privacy, and safety. Let's start by informing people that Ursan users is not the only one who needs to reassess its assumptions. Think about self-absorbed airheads. They too should realize that if I were elected Ruler of the World, my first act of business would be to halt the adulation heaped upon deplorable freaks. I would further use my position to inform certain segments of the Earth's population that Ursan users keeps saying that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. Isn't that claim getting a little shopworn? I mean, when I was a child, my clergyman told me, "You can indubitably chalk up incidents such as the ones I've described to the mawkish nature of Ursan users's revenge fantasies." If you think about it you'll see his point.

Ursan users unquestionably believes that its cop-outs are Holy Writ. What kind of Humpty-Dumpty world is it living in? The most appealing theory has to do with the way that the next time it decides to exploit the feelings of charity and guilt that many people have over the plight of the homeless, it should think to itself, cui bono? -- who benefits? Why does Ursan users want to provoke terrible, total, universal, and merciless destruction? Psychologists might suggest that its perversions are not just about insurrectionism but also about misoneism. Counselors might think that Ursan users should slither back under whatever rock it crawled out from. Sociologists might point out that it can't relate what it sees to any broader principle. I agree with the above assessments, but Ursan users has no right to be here. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that we must make this world a kinder, gentler place. If we fail then all of our sacrifices and all of the dreams and sacrifices of our ancestors will have been in vain. The key is to realize that if one believes statements like, "The ideas of 'freedom' and 'sensationalism' are Siamese twins," one is, in effect, supporting abysmal knuckle-draggers.

If you're like most people you just shrug your shoulders whenever you hear about Ursan users's latest cankered paroxysms. When your shoulders get tired of shrugging I hope you'll realize that to believe that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids is to deceive ourselves. I agree that Ursan users's demands are a covinous orgy of extremism. But I also think that Ursan users likes to quote all of the saccharine, sticky moralisms about "human rights" and the evils of moral relativism. But as soon as we stop paying attention, it invariably instructs its associates to undermine the individualistic underpinnings of traditional jurisprudence. Then, when someone notices, the pattern repeats from the beginning. Though this game may seem perverse beyond belief to any sane individual it makes perfect sense in light of Ursan users's pestiferous double standards. Okay, this letter has become much too long so I'll just jump right to the punchline: The cardinal rule of Ursan users's ideas is that coprophagous mysticism is the only thing that matters.


Quote:
save time when you want to rant and use this little website.
http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miska Bow
*Snip the life story*
So basically all ursan users are selfish brats that try to cover their lack of talent by "Burning documents" and preventing life liberty and happiness, while discriminating against all religons and races?

How long did it take you to write that wall?

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Orange Milk
It needs removed.

Over 1100 skills in the game, billions of build options, all reduced to one "Blessing" and thats it, all you need. Such a waste.

I don't care that "noobs" can use it, I don't care that it helps people experience other areas, I don't care about it "de-valueing" things, I just think it's down right stupid.
What he said. Agree. Make it go away.

wraithe

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

N/Me

deja vu threads like this should be banned..WHAT MORE CAN BE DISCUSSED?
my god we will start flaming each other and go around and around page after page again.

if you are annoyed use SEARCH and spend a day reading up on all the closed threads on this subject..sheesh

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordiego
In my opinion it should be either removed or seriously nerfed.
What do you guys think?
I think you're a big whiney baby and if you don't like to play Ursan then don't, but don't try and wreck it for those who do like it.

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by You can't see me
So basically all ursan users are selfish brats that try to cover their lack of talent by "Burning documents" and preventing life liberty and happiness, while discriminating against all religons and races?

How long did it take you to write that wall?
You really took the time to read all of it ? Follow the link at the bottom of my post.

Ursan. Whether you're for it or against it, about everything as been said. So why another one of those useless post that only takes this community apart ?

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miska Bow
You really took the time to read all of it ? Follow the link at the bottom of my post.

Ursan. Whether you for or against it, about everything as been said. So why another one of those useless post that only takes this community apart ?
I was very bored, and that's probably the post of the year on Ursan. Everything has been said.

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by You can't see me
So basically all ursan users are selfish brats that try to cover their lack of talent by "Burning documents" and preventing life liberty and happiness, while discriminating against all religons and races?

How long did it take you to write that wall?

Is that what the abridged version, cause I really didn't make it past about the 3rd sentence?

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miska Bow
At the risk of sounding like a dour New Age meany, I will attempt to humbly set forth a brief précis of Ursan users's most stolid traducements in hopes of convincing you, the reader, to help mention a bit about overweening blockheads such as Ursan users. Let me get to the crux of the matter: I like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the
I managed to get that far before I fell asleep from boredom. Maybe I'll try to read the rest of it later, if I don't have anything better to do.

Drakken Breathes Fire

Drakken Breathes Fire

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

They May Be Dead [DEAD]

N/

Did somebody call the WAAAAAAAAh-mbulance?
I garauntee if UB turned people into a bear everyone would love it.
Since it doesn't, it's cry-fest.

THB I'm disappointed it doesn't make me into a bear, I'm disappointd Raven and wolf dont morph me either. They would be so much more awesome if they did.

FIX UB//VB//RB and make them morph us!

Furthermore;

*close pls.*

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by quickmonty
I managed to get that far before I fell asleep from boredom. Maybe I'll try to read the rest of it later, if I don't have anything better to do.
Wow, that is almost the exact point that I stopped.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artorius.Maximus
Is that what the abridged version, cause I really didn't make it past about the 3rd sentence?
I believe it is.

flclisgreat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

been using this avatar IRL for ever

No I Wont join your guild[stfu]

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
/signed
i used to go DoA and now not anymore
why? Ursan
noobs are flooding DoA and an experienced player like me doesn't go there anymore
it's all to waste
i liked the old system wich was much better
but now this stupid ursan thing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs everything up
which system was that? the one where if you wernt a warrior/monk/ele you couldn't get a group? my first and only char that has beaten NF is a derv. you try to get in a group as a derv.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Ursan is a PvE only skill. It has no imbalancing effects on PvP, and it has people doing things they never would have without it. I did a couple Ursan Norn point runs in HM and had a blast... I'm back to regular mesmering now however.

Regardless, it doesn't hurt me when another group is running the bear, and I have the choice to use it or not.

Let people play and have fun. Items and their values are truly irrelevant.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire
Did somebody call the WAAAAAAAAh-mbulance?
I gave them a quarter, but they called 1-800-wah wah instead.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

"Welcome to McDonald's, can I take your order?"

"Yes, I'll have a WHAAAmburger and some French Cries"

Honestly, you're complaining about farming being too easy? Just accept the fact PvE in GW is full of IMBA, not that great, and takes no skill.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Dont use it.

+1 for close.

{IceFire}

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
/no no no

I wish there was a way to nerf you people QQing about UB. Stop whining.

<3 you're my favorite mod now

ty sir

Legends

Legends

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

[Merc]

P/Rt

Ursan Blessing Is a PvE only skill, thus you can't use it in PvP. If they nerf it, It doesn't give you the upper hand at all. However, you can choose to not use it.

Unless you want to wait until 2009 for another big fvckup, "Judgment Day is inevitable".

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

Glad to see a few of you tried to read my post. The idea was to post something that would be demonstative of all the Ursan tread already posted. So i used a complaint letter generator and made it as long as possible.

the result is a nice long rant witch is similar to all tread started about Ursan.
-Meanningless
-counter productive
-Tearring the community apart

I know we can not all have the same opinion on everything, but I think its time we put Ursan aside. There are no signs of Anet willingness to remove it i i dont think they ever will.

Those of you who like to use it, do so. Those who dont like Ursan just dont use it. Many have posted way to go around the fact that a vast majority of player are using it in DoA. You can ask friends, guild, allies or post on Guru for some help with this zone. But plz ppl stop wasting on treads that always end up in flaming and bashing.

Ursan hate/love treads only hurt the community.

Infectious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

New Zealand FTW

Ex Talionis [Law]

Quote:
Originally Posted by carpboss
i dont no if yall was around but after gems price droped in doa no 1 woudd go there.ursan has brought life back to doa and give u someting to do.anyways y nerf ursan all 4 of the gems can be farmed ne way 2 or 3 man for titans/margo in foundry e/a build fot torments and solo trap veil. most of the gems have not even drop to where they was right after every1 stoped doing doa.it was after all stoped going to doa that the gems price went back up.then ursan came and droped them again.also ursan let u get stuff for ur HOM that u would not been able to get with say a mes or like a sin.
SPACES AND CAPITAL LETTERS ARE YOUR FRIEND AND DON'T SKIP WORDS
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the economy, buff ursan so I can get pimp looking things cheaply.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

/signed to remove from the game

ANet is just afraid the massive amounts of noobs (which is much of gw) that use Ursan will quit because without their sole skills they will no longer know how to play guild wars. Afraid of being bad and not knowing how to do anything they defend UB!!!

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Future? XDD We are experiencing devaluation NOW. A great, tasty devaluation.

The only change Ursan needs it's to remove any and all profession distintion while under its effects:
- All Attirubutes to 0
- Armor set to 60
- Armor properties, runes and insignia ignored.

Other than that, it's just a choice? Do you want to mash buttons for a while? Go Ursan. Do you want to play? Think a build and use it.

Ursans usually go in full teams of 8 people. That's something good, better than people of only just 2 professions farming in teams of 1..3.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

I say keep it, I would like to see enormous devaluation of everything. It would help more players than it would hurt.

capblye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

KoH

W/N

wow op, you want cheese with that whine?

Read: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=170
And: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=185

(spoiler alert!)
If, after reading my thoughts on the matter, you STILL think your whine is going to change anything, your gonna be shocked harder than when ya found out Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Weapons of Mass Destruction dont exist!

Reason

Reason

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

California

E/

OMFG! UB has made it so "noob" players and the less used professions (Mesmer) able to do a UW run or a DoA run!? NO! It has lowed the price of gems and other crap! OMFG the AVERAGE NON ELITE player can access the better parts of the game? Yeah this definatly needs to be nerfed...this is a plauge on the game.


Seriously, stop with the QQ threads about UB. If you can't beat them join them. In the end guys...it is a game.

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

D/

Umm...so noobs are in DoA? So what? Are you forced to group with them? No. QQ elsewhere. Boohoo you're super valuable items aren't worth so much anymore and regular players can gain access to them? Oh Noez1. Get over yourselves. Its a game and people can play how they want, if using ursan makes their gaming experience enjoyable then who are you to say they can't use it?

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

Well as long as the game is no longer about skill lets remove the minion limit.
Lets double the dmg on SF.
Lets make SY stop all dmg.

Why not add a skill that deals 200dmg at 5e 1c 2r?

As long as its fun right? (PvE only changes of course)


I can understand people wanting the game to be fun but dont they realise that balance is important as well?

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

D/

Theres balance. Ursan groups aren't invincible, they die, their energy runs dry they encounter many problems. Balance? Its there.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

And so would those teams with my suggested changes.

They could still die, very unlikely however, as with UB when compared to other builds.

When they die it means the players seriousely screwed up.


When you compare it to any other builds, none are as easy and as effective to use. And we arent talking just a small bit better. Its amazingly more powerful.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isileth
And so would those teams with my suggested changes.

They could still die, very unlikely however, as with UB when compared to other builds.

When they die it means the players seriousely screwed up.


When you compare it to any other builds, none are as easy and as effective to use. And we arent talking just a small bit better. Its amazingly more powerful.

It's all been said. We've been around this Mullberry Bush a thousand times. There are no new arguments to continue this.