Players. GW. And WoW...

I think it's clear to everyone here that in your eyes, Blizzard is composed of a bunch of stupid people. There's no need to repeat it over and over.

Im with Vilaptca, i seriously dont care too much about graphics, they are just a bonus to me.

If Diablo 3 came out with Diablo 2 style 2d graphics id still buy it in a heartbeat even at the same price as other commercial games.

BLIZZARD GIVE US DIABLO 3 !!!(no subscription fee)

Which is one of the greatest reasons for it's success: More accessability. It's what they've done with all of their earlier games (WC3 is a bit of an exception as self-proclaimed by them), and they've still be able to make a fantastic job even with such limitations.

I've never said the graphics are advanced (the game does have some nice specular lighting, though) but for what they've been able to do, it's gorgeous. The animations are fluid, the characters lively.

oh for the love of...

ive been playing on and off a free mmo game, and thats one of the most annoying things ever, i can endure the many (actually, most of the quests) kill XX enemies or get YY dropped from XX quests, but there is this one boss that spawns once every hour and you see nearly 10 ppl trying to kill teh same boss, while some are smart enough to team up to get the kill as team, some are highleveled and do it alone, denying the other people from getting the kill.

really hope ANet avoids those situations.

Do you have examples of that ludicrious claim?

Recently, I logged into Guild Wars, just for fun, and entered a FoW group. I was the BiP. In the end, I had no use, because the group was fully buffed with consumables and steamrolled through FoW. (I actually left so that the group would actually have a challenge)

Whereas in the dungeons in WoW, especially the Heroic dungeons, no one can sleep through it. All 5 players have to be playing to their utmost ability. And the reward there (Badges) are 100% more useful than a 1/8 chance of getting an Obsidian Shard.

On the graphics argument...atleast when I run high graphics on WoW, it doesn't choke my system like GW does on high graphics. (Then again, my computer only as 64MB vid memory and 512MB RAM. Oh well.) The animations in GW still make me go insane.

No dont make Gw unique dont make it like wow!

Blizzard add content updates to areas for high level players in patches anyway, Zul'aman & Sunwell Plateau for example. Plus there are high level instances in many, many areas that you play through while you're levelling up that would eat you alive if you weren't 60+.

Think I'll stick with the apples and oranges argument myself. Just got to 70 in WoW and the *real* issue with that is unless you're willing to devote a minimum of three nights a week to a four hour raid you haven't got a hope of getting into a decent raiding guild.

So... Age of Conan it is for me, when it turns up.

Or you can get on TF2 - with moi!

Also note, Zu'aman is tailored for people who have cleared Kara, and who have a side of T4.

That's on the Orange Box isn't it? Got that for the hubster for Christmas.

Yeh, I'll never see T-anything. No shortage of offers because I'm specced holy, but me and the man go as a team and he's... um a bit of a traditional "me have big sword... me hit things" player.

He a warrior? Well if he gets tastily geared he can either go Fury or Arms in a 10man.

That was before World of Badgecraft, which will be implemented in Patch 2.4, which allows casuals to get T6 gear by just doing Heroics and 1 hour Karazhan/ZA raids. No hardcore rading required.

I'll be getting Brawl tomorrow, then Orange Box once I get my new laptop.

Yeh? I did a bit of reading that seemed to imply that arms was mostly a PVP build (which is what he's specced as). I was gently trying to get him to try Fury.

Zinger, I heard they're dropping attunement requirements. Can't see that going down well.

WoW has some good things, why not to add them to gw2? Who cares if they've been taken from wow if they're good.

I agree with that. Subspace Continuum, it is a really simple 2D game. One of the most fun games i have ever experienced.... It would remind you of asteroids game....Just, multiplayer and you kill other players...

Restating my point; Guild Wars will always be unique because of its.... business model (had to think what it was called) This would probably be the only game i could play on dialup and do any good. Well the only MMORPG... I play and have fun on AB ffs.... I had to reinstall this once or twice. over night, it was done updating. About 150ish mb to get on.... 600+ mb for WoW...and you dont even download that from a server! .....

Anyway, if that is what Guild Wars needs... a few great things from other games.... then wtf, don't complain about it....be glad that it will make Guild Wars 2 the worlds greatest MMORPG... And the Greatest MMORPG Guild Wars 2, will be!

They are. However, that's somewhat irrelevent now, since the expansion will be released soon, and a raid can't complete any raid without ridiculous coordination. (MUST LIKE URGOZ/DEEP, RIGHT!?)

I see so many people saying... "man... if GW 2 goes persistent world, i might has well just go play WoW"
I say LOL, give it a month of 15$ and back you will come to GW....

People have touched on this here and there, but never asked it directly:

Is the reason GW is compared to WoW because WoW is one of GW's biggest competitors? I.e. If EQ2 or EVE or heck, even Ultima Online was as big as WoW, would GW be compared to it?

I'm firmly believe the only reason people say GW is becoming more WoW-ish is because WoW is the biggest thing out there! I'd guarentee ya if <insert MMO here> was as big as WoW, everyone would be QQ'ing about how much GW was like <insert MMO here>.

So really, just get over it-GW is an RPG with traditional RPG elements.

The problem here, is the wow=mmo.

Wow is a mmo, but is just one among many, not the "definition" of mmos. I have played a few of "free to pay/grind playing game" before playing GW.

The problem with most MMO is not having an auction house, instanced world, mounts and stuff like that. The problem is the amount of time spent to get things started.

For example, I just left Rappelz. And I have calculated that if I don't use gameshop items, I will get from lvl 45 to 50 with 5 thousands kills, which would drive me crazy. You think that quests are boring? Well after lvl 46 there is just almost no more quest left. And I forget, it's 5thousands of constant smashing around while being a mage. oO
WOW is just another MMO around. Of course, Blizzard has studied closed every aspect of a MMO to get a game not so original but very well build and very accessible. However, they are still in the farm and lvl pattern.

What I like about GW, is the fact that someone can play 2 hours per week and getting through most of this game's feature, is the fact that you have to think to play. And as long as gw stay in this line, I support.

So I do support auction houses, mounts, instanced world in GW and GW2. But I can't stand those overpowered pve skills.

Blizzard has so much experience in gaming. They know what works and what doesn't. They know how to maximize their profits. Its the only real reason WoW is so popular, they get money from the subscribers and KEEP them hooked with their addicting hard to achieve levels and constant need for money to be "the best". Its been pretty evident from the easier to get things in GW, that thats whats killing it. People are finishing to fast and its made too easy(in PvE). Only hardcore gamers like PvP, so they only finish the storyline and they are done. The monthly fees kill GW too since its free it doesn't make as much money to advertise with cool guys like William Shatner and with funny inuendos famous like the south park episode. And Mr. T...MOST AWESOME WoW COMMERICAL EVER!!!!

ANYWAYS.... Blizzard knows what works and they get there first and faster. I don't see why everyone else shouldn't do similiar things, its like saying, all my friends are going out to hang, why don't i just stay inside because i don't want to be exactly like them while they have fun. If anything we should try to do similiar things and 1 up them with new things. Then GW will be truly better then them.

Because forced grind is better than optional grind yes?