Is there any reason to run Tactics anymore?
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
zomg stfu noob
old build is old
warr's endurance healer w/mo is the new pwn
strenth + heelz > tactis zomg dude y u so harsh? im new at da game k? b nicerer plz
old build is old
warr's endurance healer w/mo is the new pwn
strenth + heelz > tactis zomg dude y u so harsh? im new at da game k? b nicerer plz
Jam Jar
What's so bad about Thrill of Victory?
As long if they have less health you do 30+ more damage.
As long if they have less health you do 30+ more damage.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Jam Jar
What's so bad about Thrill of Victory?
As long if they have less health you do 30+ more damage. Because you could just take power attack for an unconditional +30 damage on a shorter recharge. Also, power attack kind of sucks for most warrior bars.
As long if they have less health you do 30+ more damage. Because you could just take power attack for an unconditional +30 damage on a shorter recharge. Also, power attack kind of sucks for most warrior bars.
ogre_jd
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Also, power attack kind of sucks for most warrior bars.
Maybe for Warriors who have access to all of the skills and/or don't want to invest in Strength. For the rest of us it's a fast, cheap and very damaging skill to use while we're getting our Adrenaline back up for the big attack skills for our chosen weapon.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
Maybe for Warriors who have access to all of the skills and/or don't want to invest in Strength. For the rest of us it's a fast, cheap and very damaging skill to use while we're getting our Adrenaline back up for the big attack skills for our chosen weapon.
It's not like you can spam it anyway, outside of a Warrior's Endurance bar, so the fast recharging is meh. Warrior do not use Power Attack not because they don't want to invest in Strength, but because that energy is better spent else where. Bull's Strike, Shock, Sprint, Frenzy, Enraging Charge, Crushing Blow, etc. just to name a few of the common one. And warrior should always invest some in Strength, not for the AP but for the skills.
dread pirate fargus
as long as other professions run tactics better than warriors do (e.g imbagons) then tactics will be dead. they should dual-attribute the skills that get abused by paras, eg watch yourself shields up, to make it last longer or +effect for stat in strength.
Bobby2
Yeah, because Shields Up! is REALLY overpowered, and WY! hasn't been nerfed enough.
i herd imbagonz ran Dodge This! dees dayz
i herd imbagonz ran Dodge This! dees dayz
kobey
I thought of another reason to run Tactics:
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics.
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by kobey
I thought of another reason to run Tactics:
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics. although i do have a char to match my amethyst its a mesmer, so meh.
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics. although i do have a char to match my amethyst its a mesmer, so meh.
Draginvry
For me, Tactics is dead. I've already switched several of my warrior heros to strength builds. I suppose I'll have to get shields now for them, too.
With Lion's Comfort being based completely on strength now, and Watch Yourself! being fairly useless, there is absolutely no reason to run Tactics on a warrior when Strength has a hell of a lot better skills.
Tactics might still be usefull for a paragon though. Which is even more maddening, because that's the whole reason they made it useless for warriors to begin with.
With Lion's Comfort being based completely on strength now, and Watch Yourself! being fairly useless, there is absolutely no reason to run Tactics on a warrior when Strength has a hell of a lot better skills.
Tactics might still be usefull for a paragon though. Which is even more maddening, because that's the whole reason they made it useless for warriors to begin with.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Draginvry
For me, Tactics is dead. I've already switched several of my warrior heros to strength builds. I suppose I'll have to get shields now for them, too.
Well, the existance of Para's make the Soldier skills pretty attractive in the right set-up. So Koss will probably use it for the time to come.
Then again when I get to Hayda, Koss will get the boot anyway.
Then again when I get to Hayda, Koss will get the boot anyway.
Alex the Great
woot, i just replaced my tactics rune with radient and threw a stonefist on my gloves (i run survivors/ radients mixed)
brawling headbutt ftw
brawling headbutt ftw
Dronte
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Originally Posted by kobey
I thought of another reason to run Tactics:
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics. My shield collection consist almost only tactics shields :x
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You invested a whole load of money creating the "purple" look to match your tactics req only Amethyst Aegis. And now you have no choice but to put 9 points (I hope its req 9) into tactics. My shield collection consist almost only tactics shields :x
Coloneh
healsig is still better than lion's. you dont always have adrenaline when you need to heal.
RavagerOfDreams
quite simply no there is no good reason anymore
healsig is only good in ra circumstances as with all other areas of gameplay you can pick your team thus removing the need for a self heal (although having one isnt bad). Watch yourself was finished after it's initial downfall due to SY. ....so no don't do it
healsig is only good in ra circumstances as with all other areas of gameplay you can pick your team thus removing the need for a self heal (although having one isnt bad). Watch yourself was finished after it's initial downfall due to SY. ....so no don't do it
freaky naughty
OF COURSE THERE ARE REASONS TO USE TACTICS! For paragons that is. If tactics skills are added or buffed it will be an addition or buff to the paragon.
Shaz
Was there even a reason to before?
Most of the skills that warrior invested in Tactics for are still viable to use if you want to, though there are probably better options. Charge!, Shield Up!, and Heal Signet. There are better elite for Sword Warrior now making Charge! pretty obsolete. Shield Up! can be place on the paragon. And you don't need Heal Signet in both PvE and PvP, unless you're splitting.
The only thing that's change now is Watch Yourself. And Fear Me! in Steady Stance warrior build, which I'm ok with that skill being nerfed.
Tactics has always been a weak attribute line for a warrior in both PvE and PvP, outside of a few farming build that use stances. Strength is just a much better line to invest in with all the great skills that are in it and it has always been this way.
Most of the skills that warrior invested in Tactics for are still viable to use if you want to, though there are probably better options. Charge!, Shield Up!, and Heal Signet. There are better elite for Sword Warrior now making Charge! pretty obsolete. Shield Up! can be place on the paragon. And you don't need Heal Signet in both PvE and PvP, unless you're splitting.
The only thing that's change now is Watch Yourself. And Fear Me! in Steady Stance warrior build, which I'm ok with that skill being nerfed.
Tactics has always been a weak attribute line for a warrior in both PvE and PvP, outside of a few farming build that use stances. Strength is just a much better line to invest in with all the great skills that are in it and it has always been this way.
yum
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Originally Posted by Shaz
Tactics has always been a weak attribute line for a warrior in both PvE and PvP, outside of a few farming build that use stances. Strength is just a much better line to invest in with all the great skills that are in it and it has always been this way.
I herd WM ran "Charge" warriors with no cancel for frenzy and they ownzz
Winterclaw
Shaz, ViM warriors were semi-common for a time before that skill was nerfed. I think ToV once had a healing effect very early when proph was released. Fear Me had its uses before it was nerfed. WY was an easy way to reduce damage before that skill was nerfed.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by yum
I herd WM ran "Charge" warriors with no cancel for frenzy and they ownzz
I'm talking about now. And in my post I didn't put down Charge!, just said that there are better elite for sword warrior to choose from now.
Introverted Dimensions
Maybe for running?
kazjun
Dead. Unless I'm doing a dual riposte melee farm build.
You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs.
You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs.
MisterB
I still like "Charge!" for some missions: Jennur's Horde and Dzagonur Bastion come to mind. But then I usually invite Devona to take it instead of me. I only use Tactics for soloing, and WY! is now broken for that, as well.
Unfortunately, most of my shields are Tactics, too.
Unfortunately, most of my shields are Tactics, too.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by kazjun
Dead. Unless I'm doing a dual riposte melee farm build.
You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs. Have you seen all the riposte/galds stance warriors running around in PvE and RA/AB? They would be furious at that
You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs. Have you seen all the riposte/galds stance warriors running around in PvE and RA/AB? They would be furious at that
Age
I still do for my Healing Signet as I prefer it over LC.
Chipp
I have been so blind 
My helmet has a inherent tactics +1 that I can't remove so I need to get a brand new helmet to change that.
My shield is tactics as well
The only reason for that is mainly because of WY and Healing Sig which I have now dropped both from my build and am looking for alternates.
My helmet has a inherent tactics +1 that I can't remove so I need to get a brand new helmet to change that.
My shield is tactics as well
The only reason for that is mainly because of WY and Healing Sig which I have now dropped both from my build and am looking for alternates.
kazjun
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Have you seen all the riposte/galds stance warriors running around in PvE and RA/AB? They would be furious at that
As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else.
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else.
Age
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Originally Posted by kazjun
As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else. I would care as I see it tactics is for defense and it has always been that way and designed.I like them in tactics because I can use them on my Monk if needed.What would be the point then in having a shield in tactics?
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else. I would care as I see it tactics is for defense and it has always been that way and designed.I like them in tactics because I can use them on my Monk if needed.What would be the point then in having a shield in tactics?
Arkantos
What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.
Well, at the very least those retard warriors who go into low-end PvP with dual ripostes and auspicious parry will do some damage autoattacking.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by kazjun
As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else. Wow
I guess I'm not getting enough exposure, people still take me serious most of the time
And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else. Wow
I guess I'm not getting enough exposure, people still take me serious most of the time
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Well, at the very least those retard warriors who go into low-end PvP with dual ripostes and auspicious parry will do some damage autoattacking.
True, but the players and the skills are still going to be bad. 
Trvth Jvstice
What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious.
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?
The majority of players you'll find in AB are going to be bad players. They bring bad builds with little knowledge of game mechanics and do nothing but run around and attempt to kill people. I occasionally AB with friends for fun. Playing there doesn't make you dumb. I don't understand what you mean by an acceptable place to play.
Winterclaw
I've ABed once or twice, but can't now that I don't have a guild. It's pretty much a mass RA, which is why people complain.
kazjun
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.
The deal is that I said that you could just drop the whole tactics line from warriors and no one would really care. The only reason to keep the ripostes (which is why it could be moved to swordsmanship) would be because there are people who solo farm with them. Never said they were good skills.
And Age, I said warriors wouldn't care. The fact that you see more tactics used on other classes (especially paras) while not of much use for their primary class is a bit of a pity. BTW, I'd take a none spec shield bash for a caster over just about any tactics skill. And putting 8-9 points into tactics just for a shield is bad. You'd be better off saving the points and using a candyshield or sticking a +10 mod on something.
And Age, I said warriors wouldn't care. The fact that you see more tactics used on other classes (especially paras) while not of much use for their primary class is a bit of a pity. BTW, I'd take a none spec shield bash for a caster over just about any tactics skill. And putting 8-9 points into tactics just for a shield is bad. You'd be better off saving the points and using a candyshield or sticking a +10 mod on something.
not so newb
what about skills that help you dodge. For example bonnetis defense for avoiding and gaining energy.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by not so newb
what about skills that help you dodge. For example bonnetis defense for avoiding and gaining energy.
only useful in farming builds, and bonetti's lasts 5 seconds at 0 tactics. you shouldnt even have it up that long.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by not so newb
what about skills that help you dodge...
Are bad on Warriors, outside of farming.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious. I've had necros cast Insidious Parasite and Empathy on me when I'm a elementalist with a wand.
I've lost all faith in the intelligence of reguler ABers
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious. I've had necros cast Insidious Parasite and Empathy on me when I'm a elementalist with a wand.
I've lost all faith in the intelligence of reguler ABers