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Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 15:23 - 1

I'd like to propose a little update which would make pvp characters equal to pve ones.
AN let us (pvp plyers) have some wepons skins and armors for RP (tournament reward points). Anyways pvp characters still can't wear sunglasses, chaos gloves or blindfold. My proposition is to let pvp players have it for rp.
I think it's obvious that such things shouldn't be easy to get. I think that all of them should require fancy armor unlock or we can even make "Exotic Armors" which would be GWEN collector's items.

My idea of price list is simple: Chaos Gloves would cost 300rp and the rest of this GWEN colletor's items would cost 100 rp each except glasses which would be 50rp.

AN Don't push pvp players to play something they don't want to get something they want (

). Make it expansive, but possible to get for RP.

/Signed

Yennefer Mesmeriser

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

11 Mar 2008 at 15:46 - 2

I can only guess that Anet hasn't bothered to update because their statistics show no-one is using the RP for anything but Zaishen keys.

End

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

11 Mar 2008 at 15:48 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonhart

Anyways pvp characters still can't wear sunglasses, chaos gloves or blindfold.

Yennefer Mesmeriser

I don't pvp much (been trying to get back into it recently) but I think everyone deserves the right to beat people blindfolded also.
/signed

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

11 Mar 2008 at 16:10 - 4

Very seldom do I ever PvP, but while I think there should be some unique items that are separate between the two play types there is no reason not to give most armor or collector skins to PvP'ers. Getting to look good (or what you consider to be looking good - I don't want chaos gloves) without having to participate in the parts of the game that you don't want to play makes sense.

/signed

Adzik

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

The Laxandor [LaX]

11 Mar 2008 at 16:17 - 5

Bonhart played on mesmer in MSI.
/signed

Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 16:19 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaoTheBlade

Go do pve if you want to look pretty, pvp is where skills > looks. In pve if you look good you're more likely to get a party.

Well that only shows that you don't know too much about pvp. I mentioned that this kind of items should cost a lot of RP which are not possible to get without skill in pvp. Who said that pvp character can't look nice?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adzik

Bonhart played on mesmer in MSI.
/signed

And I'm proud of it

(of course of my role in balanced builds on domination mes xD)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Mar 2008 at 16:22 - 7

/Signed
Who needs to farm when you can go tourney?

jayson

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

11 Mar 2008 at 16:39 - 8

Pvp players have no effect on pve play or the community. I say let them have whatever they want for thier toons. As a pve player I know for a fact that whatever they're doing isn't hurting me. Anet can just add all that extra stuff in for free for all I care.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

11 Mar 2008 at 16:43 - 9

When Chaos Gloves give me the ability to chokeslam Guild Lords then I just might care about them.

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

11 Mar 2008 at 16:44 - 10

I don't agree, i think that if you want pve items you should play pve.

dread pirate fargus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

in bed

X Peace And Love X [PaL]

W/

11 Mar 2008 at 16:48 - 11

/unsigned. play pve if you want pve items. or do it the old fashioned way and max a pve character for the sole purpose of pvping on it.

AshenX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Orange County, CA.

Black Flag

R/

11 Mar 2008 at 17:07 - 12

As someone who is primarily a PVE player (only rank 4 fame) I would say that this seems reasonable...with one trade off. IF PVP continues to gain access to PVE rewards then PVE should have access to PVP rewards (such as rank emotes).
I know I am resurrecting an old topic but I see PVP requests for more access to PVE rewards and then search old topics to see the very negative response from some PVP'ers to requests for PVE emotes. If we are going for a homogenous reward system where PVP an PVE are not separated then it needs to be fully integrated not done in a piecemeal fashion.

/signed (conditionally)

Avarax

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Anonymous Amateurs[AA]

R/Mo

11 Mar 2008 at 17:56 - 13

I herd wearing Chaos Gloves makes you better player!

/signed

Murkar

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

11 Mar 2008 at 18:02 - 14

Bonhart needs something to cover his weakness :P.

Anyway if Obsidian is available, every kind of armor pieces should be accesible by RP.

/signed

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

11 Mar 2008 at 18:03 - 15

As long as you allow PvE players to get a PvE equivalent of /rank emotes, I'm all for it...

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

E/

11 Mar 2008 at 18:03 - 16

well if you want the items then you will have to go PVE for them. or at least thats how it used to be....

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

11 Mar 2008 at 18:05 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus

/unsigned. play pve if you want pve items. or do it the old fashioned way and max a pve character for the sole purpose of pvping on it.

I second that.

Brian the Gladiator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan, USA

Us Are Not [leet]

E/

11 Mar 2008 at 18:07 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayson

As a pve player I know for a fact that whatever they're [PvPers] doing isn't hurting me. Anet can just add all that extra stuff in for free for all I care.

You do know that all the skill nerfs that are ruining your PvE builds are a direct result of PvPers exploiting those skills right??? So... Yes, what happens in PvP-Land effects you. However, how much this particular subject will effect you is unclear.

Avoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

11 Mar 2008 at 18:11 - 19

If Anet makes the /rank title track linked to the KoaBD title, then perhaps.

Shiquana

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

Poland

Heroes Home[HoH]

Mo/

11 Mar 2008 at 19:07 - 20

/signed

If pvp chars can wear obsidian armor they can wear chaos gloves and another gwen items too:P

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

11 Mar 2008 at 19:25 - 21

/notsigned

PvE is teh pwnsauce. That's like asking PvPers to be able to visit Tyria. When you decided to be a brainless PvP whiner (well not all of you, but in the case of many of the people who ask for this sorta thing), you signed your soul over to not focusing on glamor. If you wanna look awesome, play the awesome half of GW.

I know that sounds PvP-biased, but the principle still takes place. It's like "let us visit LA lul mayb 2 mak it fair make it cost 50k balth faction".

No. Just no.

They should add GW:EN armors to PvP though, I admit that.

Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 19:27 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

/notsigned
PvE is teh pwnsauce. That's like asking PvPers to be able to visit Tyria. When you decided to be a brainless PvP whiner (well not all of you, but in the case of many of the people who ask for this sorta thing), you signed your soul over to not focusing on glamor. If you wanna look awesome, play the awesome half of GW.

You guys don't understand that I or We don't want to show of or boast around. We just want to customise our characters as we want so they may look special and pvp won't be just a clone wars.

Now to all of you "pve pr0" - pvp characters CAN wear FoW armors and have Tormented Weapons... so why do you care if we wear also chaos gloves (this was an example anywaysm I found it nice name for this topic)? Will that destroy your fun of playing?
Why don't pvp players who practice every day deserve a simple character customisation?

And why are you so angry? I know that pvp and pve players were always flaming echother but come on, can't you just lose it?

Make love not war!

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

11 Mar 2008 at 19:27 - 23

AP claims they're working on adding EotN skins to Tolkano. I presume that includes the specialty armors.

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

@ Sensation Black

Death is Energy [DIE] ~ Raining fame alliance

11 Mar 2008 at 19:30 - 24

Yeah.. more things to spend rps on

)

/signed

~Prof.

shru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

11 Mar 2008 at 19:40 - 25

This thread turned into a PvE vs. PvP debate pretty quickly considering this realy has nothing at all to do with the PvE aspect of the game. I myself am a PvE player and I find it sad that some people's egos are so overgrown as to call getting the cash for w/e elite item they want "work" while saying that farming tourny points for the same items is not. And what's to say PvP players focus on max effeciency and nothing else? Go watch any rated GvG match and see how many unique skins you see people weilding (I know alot of those chars were made in PvE, but they were made there for a reason). Is it a crime to want your character to look good? If you let them have their chaos gloves through PvP means, that's more ectos on the market for you to get them.
/signed

Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 19:55 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by shru

This thread turned into a PvE vs. PvP debate pretty quickly considering this realy has nothing at all to do with the PvE aspect of the game. I myself am a PvE player and I find it sad that some people's egos are so overgrown as to call getting the cash for w/e elite item they want "work" while saying that farming tourny points for the same items is not. And what's to say PvP players focus on max effeciency and nothing else? Go watch any rated GvG match and see how many unique skins you see people weilding (I know alot of those chars were made in PvE, but they were made there for a reason). Is it a crime to want your character to look good? If you let them have their chaos gloves through PvP means, that's more ectos on the market for you to get them.
/signed

AMEN

He's the only guy up here who got the point...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

I dont see why players are saying that it takes "experienced players" to get these prestige items. I got my fow before i even knew who the rank 1 gvg guild was. Getting all those titles and armor is mindless farming and a major spend on time not in any way related to skill. For the person who said 375k for the chaos gloves and bla bla, you obviously have no idea how long 300 rp + unlocking fancy armor takes, no ofc you don't cause you don't do tourneys. In all fairness it is MUCH harder to get prestige armor in pvp compared to pve, because it takes skill, you have to WIN and IMPROVE not REPEAT a farming run over and over. Same goes for everything compared to pvp vs pve. As someone who did pve and pvp each for almost 1 year and played at the higher end of both, I can honestly admit PvP is MUCH harder than pve will EVER be. /signed, im still working my way to fow on pvp and would love a pair of chaos gloves, simply cause i see no reason as too why I shouldnt. Black dyes would also be nice >< say dye ur armor for 30-50rp or something along those lines.

P.S adressing the person under me, once you unlock a ARMOR piece it becomes bound to the character you made it for. Say my monk gets chaos gloves, i delete her, bye bye chaos gloves. That means my pvp char will have to be as permanent as my pve one. It doesnt get "unlocked" you want another... go pay another 300 rp.

Or not the only one.. anyways all pve's read his post pls!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelina Collins

Remember, to access chaos glove you need EOTN, and need to go to the central transfer station to find the crafter, you must be rank 5 delvar and need the materials. if you are hard core PvE is can be done quickly, is the same true for earning RP if you are hardcore PvP?

Well at some level of your skill after improving your skill over the months (let's say... 6 or more) and hundrets of hours spent on practicing one proffesion, and if you have good guild (about top 50) earing 300rp (which is my proposition for chaos gloves price) shouldn't take you longer than a week. Of course your guild has to play at least 1 at per day and be in top 3 on this at. See? You've got to be hardcore player to get this... that "fast".
(on gvg, I'm not HB player so I don't know how long it takes)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

Well lets put it likes this, I can do a HB tourney, all 7 games will take me bout 2 hours 30 mins and say im really good and come first i will get 27rp and then I cant do another one that day because well it would be absurd to wait 8 hours again for the next AT. So thats asuming you are the best HBer in EVERY tourney you get 27rp a day. This is also assuming you play EVERY day which will never happen due to AT time rotation. 1000 rp to unlock fancy weps wud take you 50 days of everyday playing and coming first. Then another 300 rp for the actual gloves which is bout 10 days of coming first everyday. To be fair im quite sure thats harder than farming 400k. Even a hardcore pvper would take time simply because u can not farm rp whenever you want. You must make AT times play and be sucessful, while pve is open to you whenever you have time, big difference.

...and here's the answer... I think I don't have to comment that

The Blade From Hell

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Skill Update [Nerf]

Mo/

11 Mar 2008 at 20:01 - 27

I dont see why players are saying that it takes "experienced players" to get these prestige items. I got my fow before i even knew who the rank 1 gvg guild was. Getting all those titles and armor is mindless farming and a major spend on time not in any way related to skill. For the person who said 375k for the chaos gloves and bla bla, you obviously have no idea how long 300 rp + unlocking fancy armor takes, no ofc you don't cause you don't do tourneys. In all fairness it is MUCH harder to get prestige armor in pvp compared to pve, because it takes skill, you have to WIN and IMPROVE not REPEAT a farming run over and over. Same goes for everything compared to pvp vs pve. As someone who did pve and pvp each for almost 1 year and played at the higher end of both, I can honestly admit PvP is MUCH harder than pve will EVER be. /signed, im still working my way to fow on pvp and would love a pair of chaos gloves, simply cause i see no reason as too why I shouldnt. Black dyes would also be nice >< say dye ur armor for 30-50rp or something along those lines.

P.S adressing the person under me, once you unlock a ARMOR piece it becomes bound to the character you made it for. Say my monk gets chaos gloves, i delete her, bye bye chaos gloves. That means my pvp char will have to be as permanent as my pve one. It doesnt get "unlocked" you want another... go pay another 300 rp.

Divine Slaya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Young Money Merger [YM]

Mo/

11 Mar 2008 at 20:15 - 28

/signed

I get enough money from pvping that I could buy several pairs of chaos gloves if I wanted. However, because I spend all of my time pvping instead of pveing, I don't have pve characters that have access to all map locations or the titles needed to obtain the GWEN items.

I'm not saying that they should be easy for PvPers to obtain the more expensive items, but there should be some way for us to have access to the armor. Pvers aren't the only people who purchased GWEN.

Angelina Collins

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Heaven Royal Knights (HRK)

A/N

11 Mar 2008 at 20:16 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

I dont see why players are saying that it takes "experienced players" to get these prestige items. I got my fow before i even knew who the rank 1 gvg guild was. Getting all those titles and armor is mindless farming and a major spend on time not in any way related to skill. For the person who said 375k for the chaos gloves and bla bla, you obviously have no idea how long 300 rp + unlocking fancy armor takes, no ofc you don't cause you don't do tourneys. In all fairness it is MUCH harder to get prestige armor in pvp compared to pve, because it takes skill, you have to WIN and IMPROVE not REPEAT a farming run over and over. Same goes for everything compared to pvp vs pve. As someone who did pve and pvp each for almost 1 year and played at the higher end of both, I can honestly admit PvP is MUCH harder than pve will EVER be. /signed, im still working my way to fow on pvp and would love a pair of chaos gloves, simply cause i see no reason as too why I shouldnt. Black dyes would also be nice >< say dye ur armor for 30-50rp or something along those lines.

P.S adressing the person under me, once you unlock a ARMOR piece it becomes bound to the character you made it for. Say my monk gets chaos gloves, i delete her, bye bye chaos gloves. That means my pvp char will have to be as permanent as my pve one. It doesnt get "unlocked" you want another... go pay another 300 rp.

Your right, I don't know how long it takes, because I do not do tourneys. Why don't you enlighten us? Also I did not realize that once armor is unlocked, it is character based, not account based.

If that is the case, what would be a fair price?

Remember, to access chaos glove you need EOTN, and need to go to the central transfer station to find the crafter, you must be rank 5 delvar and need the materials. if you are hard core PvE is can be done quickly, is the same true for earning RP if you are hardcore PvP?

The Blade From Hell

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Skill Update [Nerf]

Mo/

11 Mar 2008 at 20:22 - 30

Well lets put it likes this, I can do a HB tourney, all 7 games will take me bout 2 hours 30 mins and say im really good and come first i will get 27rp and then I cant do another one that day because well it would be absurd to wait 8 hours again for the next AT. So thats asuming you are the best HBer in EVERY tourney you get 27rp a day. This is also assuming you play EVERY day which will never happen due to AT time rotation. 1000 rp to unlock fancy weps wud take you 50 days of everyday playing and coming first. Then another 300 rp for the actual gloves which is bout 10 days of coming first everyday. To be fair im quite sure thats harder than farming 400k. Even a hardcore pvper would take time simply because u can not farm rp whenever you want. You must make AT times play and be sucessful, while pve is open to you whenever you have time, big difference.

The Blade From Hell

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Skill Update [Nerf]

Mo/

11 Mar 2008 at 20:30 - 31

I think he means if pvpers dont farm ectos, ectos become more scarce on the market making thier price rise and in turn making your drop worth more. K thnx.

Angelina Collins

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Heaven Royal Knights (HRK)

A/N

11 Mar 2008 at 20:33 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

Well lets put it likes this, I can do a HB tourney, all 7 games will take me bout 2 hours 30 mins and say im really good and come first i will get 27rp and then I cant do another one that day because well it would be absurd to wait 8 hours again for the next AT. So thats asuming you are the best HBer in EVERY tourney you get 27rp a day. This is also assuming you play EVERY day which will never happen due to AT time rotation. 1000 rp to unlock fancy weps wud take you 50 days of everyday playing and coming first. Then another 300 rp for the actual gloves which is bout 10 days of coming first everyday. To be fair im quite sure thats harder than farming 400k.

your right, a hardcore farmer can make 400K rather easy, but I would say an average player who plays about 2 hrs a day could finish GW:EN is about a week to two weeks, and earn 400K in about a month. So to put a price on it, chaos glove would be 200RP, destroyer glove: 250RP, Fow armor, don't know the current RP price. Destroyer cores drop like ecto's drop, but ecto's can be bought from merchants, as cores can not.

Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 20:33 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

I think he means if pvpers dont farm ectos, ectos become more scarce on the market making thier price rise and in turn making your drop worth more. K thnx.

That is exactly what I meant.

Kaon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [Ban]

11 Mar 2008 at 21:36 - 34

Im pretty amazed this thread is exploding. I've never cared a single bit about pve items and the looks of my chars have always been good regardless of items. It isn't even worthy to discuss the need of some randomass armor (which i thought) noone cares about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorius.Maximus

Just to ask the dumb question, how much skill does PvP really take. Almost every single commonly used PvP build is on PvXwiki anyways. I too am one who is tired of seeing skills buffed/nerfed based on the metagame.

Yeah because PvE is totally about skill and not about build. Also this is completely relevant to the topic i agree.

Talarian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Ninth Legion [TNL]

E/

11 Mar 2008 at 21:48 - 35

Not entirely sure what I'm supposed to be jealous or envious about (certainly not the obligatory e-peen needed to PvP) and can't see how wanting PvE only rewards is greedy (can you say Zaishen Chest?)...

PvP did take skill, back in the day, before the profusion of sinsplit build took over . Nowadays, the only skill involved is being able to set up a Vent server. I appreciate that there are PvP guilds out there who really try very hard to create and run balanced team builds, and hats off to them, but then they aren't the ones complaining that they can't get pretty things for their avatars. Someone said farming 400k is easier than farming 300 RP...I thought the whole point of PvP was to prove your skill, not to farm? Hypocrisy doesn't suit...

Oh, and before you flame me some more Bonhart, I used to PvP regularly in a decent guild before Anet broke everything, so I do know what I'm talking about

Bonhart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Poland

Dont Mess With The Don [mkay]

Me/

11 Mar 2008 at 22:01 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talarian

I appreciate that there are PvP guilds out there who really try very hard to create and run balanced team builds, and hats off to them

Well thank you cause my current guild is running balanced only.

I don't want to flame you cause that's not the point. The problem is you still didn't get one thing. The point of pvp indeed is to show the skill but tell me why do you think that showing your skill and desire of looking well contradict each other? Why do you farm to get chaos gloves, fow or whatever item you want? To customise your character to your needs and taste. And that's my point. Reward good pvp players, do you think that they haven't deserved to make their characters look better just because they don't like to farm or go through the storyline or farm this goddamn deldimor title? Don't be so egoistic

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Mar 2008 at 22:54 - 37

/signed

But I think they should make cost proportionate to the cost in PvE. I.e. they should cost more than fissure armor pieces cost in RPs. Chaos gloves should be something silly like 500 RPs. After all.. chaos gloves are 75e. If you (could) craft a whole set of chaos armor, that'd be several hundred ecto O_O

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

12 Mar 2008 at 00:05 - 38

/notsigned

If only because then it'd only be right for PvE players to have emotes for their pathetic PvE accomplishments, and truthfully, they don't deserve them, just like my fellow PvP players shouldn't

a. have chaos gloves

b. give a flying RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about whether they have them or not.

belladonna shylock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Me/

12 Mar 2008 at 03:19 - 39

Dealing with just the topic:

For my pve mesmer, I've had every mesmer armor set in the game .......it's just armor. It has no added bonus.
Dealing with pve vs pvp:

Lets flip it around. if the gloves had ONLY came out in pvp , what would the response be to allowing pve players access to it via a trader/seller?

As said earlier, to me it's just a piece of armor and the type of armor someone wears DOES NOT define skill. (i also argue titles don't define skill)

The "unlock this skill (item) in pve and get it in pvp" would be cool for this i think.

But when it comes down to it, the only requirement needed should be to own GWEN......

/sign

The Blade From Hell

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Skill Update [Nerf]

Mo/

12 Mar 2008 at 04:42 - 40

I cannot believe people persist too say that pve items are harder to obtain than items through rp, is that even a question. I farmed fow in 1 month, 2 hours a day when ectos were 9k, there is no way to god i can get pvp fow in even 3 months if I wanted too. As for me using the term farming, it was simply used because I was asked how long it would take to obtain the rp IF you farmed. RP is a reflection of skill, if you say it isnt lets see you get first in an AT lol.