Chaos Gloves for everybody!

agreed, with the amount of rp it would cost, sacrifising buying z-keys. The gloves alone could easily be worth waay more than in PvE.
I don't understand why all you people can't handle these things in PvP, they are just skins that they want access to. It's not like they get +1,000 bonus damage if they got them, or anything stupid like that.

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Good job, may i ask where the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO did you find these numbers. Definately not from my post.

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You guys are freaking insane if you think KoaBD is comparable to any form of organized pvp.

PvP is like a teamsport, soccer for example. PvE is like golf, everybody can get the ball in the hole at one point. The question is: how many times did that person need to hit the ball to get it in the hole.

Now pvp players want a pve trophy (aka the gloves) and is it that insane that pve players want a pvp trophy in return?

It's like the soccer team FC barcelona asks Tiger Woods to get one of his trophies and vica versa.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced pvp and pve should be completely seperated.

Do you have KoaBD? If not, don't knock it. Grinding endless for titles is the same as grinding PvP, except PvP is much more enjoyable (both are mindless). I really don't understand where PvP only players get the idea that it is so difficult compared to PvE. So many of you gimmick build, it isn't that difficult for me to figure out what you are running in a matter of two casts.

For the very rare (innovative PvP player out there).... I know you could care less about the skins.... and you probably are not reading this thread.

When you go in my HoM, you understand that when I commit to something, I do so. When you see my armor and weapon skins, you see a story or timeline behind them. Personally, I think it cheapens the whole idea of skins and having to explore areas to get things.

Lastly, for any PvP player that mentions "epeen" again, make sure to keep "/signed" out of your post. You sound like a hypocrite. I play the game to have the best things I can and to max titles. I get enjoyment out of that. If you want to have what I have, do what I do.

Which is why you should get no Chaos Gloves.

PvP play is not comparable to PvE play, we have established and agreed upon this fact.

Therefore, PvP rewards and PvE rewards should not be the same.

/still notsigned

wrong ,we play all the same game, so we should all receive the same awards, regardless for what we have us personally decided to play mostly.

Stop finally ever this stupid comparison with PvP vs. PvE Skill Effort-Shit, it becomes annoying over time, when this is ever the only arguement against any changes, which would make the game for both sides fairer and more fun.

so no, pve isn't difficult.

...and to those of you saying chaos glove are a "pve reward" you're kinda totally wrong, this entire arguement is pointless because they've planned to have gwen weapons/armor at tolkano all along. Simply because it's taking some time to get implemented doesn't mean that they are debating it.

How the hell is having chaos gloves fairer? What isn't fair is that PvP is really shut off for many PvE only characters because of how quick the PvP community is towards shutting out anyone they think is a noob. Anet has catered to the PvP community more than anything. They balance out your skills and trash the PvE community. They give you a Zaishen chest, because you want skins. They give you obi armor, because you want that also. Every update seems to be around PvP and how they can better meet your needs.

PVP players have the same opportunity that we have towards getting all of these items. PvE players are very affected by drops rates and random generators when it comes to gold, ecto, shards, or anything else. We have to farm different areas... pay to get into some of them, and grind away. PvP players roll a max character, get a team together, and do what they normally do every day to get these rare items. It takes away from the rarity or special nature of the items. And it rewards PvP players for doing the same thing they do anyway. There are no reqs for them to get items other than rps.... that is nonsense.

Now that I think of it, bring in emotes for the Kurzick and Luxon title tracks... you want to make it fair... make it fully fair...

The average PvE player will never have the opportunity to earn rank or fame because of the nature of the PvP community.

Wrong, we play a different game in the game, but we share the same name: Guild Wars.

Soccer and golf are both ballgames, but that's where the similarity ends. The rewards and trophies are different.

I do agree with you on the point that comparing of effort etc. is useless, hence the rewards and trophies should stay different.

You forgot to leave my whole post there. I went on to speak about much more. Kind of selfish to leave only that line in there...? I see you don't reference how grind in PvE and PvP is the same (minus the human interaction on the PvP end)...

Last, I never said PvE is difficult (it isn't once you "get it"). PvE is time-consuming... that is all. PvP isn't difficult either... just keeping up with team changes is.

I have a challenge for all the PvP players who keep harping on about how easy PvE is:

Pretend Factions, NF, and EotN never existed. So no heroes, and only a limited skill set. You can't flag your henchmen anymore, because that update came with NF. You can't use inscribable weapons, because again, that came with NF. Obviously, you have to use a core profession. Now go try vanquish Diessa Lowlands with Alesia as your only healer. THAT is not easy. Anyone who says it is, do it and post screenies please.

Hard Mode didn't exist either by the way, and I still pve'd back then as well.

I never said HM existed back then...I was just presenting a challenge, like winning 10 consecutive games in TA or getting a flawless victory in HoH. It's what some people do to make PvE fun and challenging...

/signed, still haven't seen one good reason against.

Best reason against I've seen:
I fail at PvP, therefore there should be PvE only rewards.


@The Way Out: PvP community isn't stubborn, just learn to play.

I didn't realise you were the judge and jury for ArenaNet. Learn to think for yourself.

I PvP... remember that. A new player that goes to HA and wants to learn how to HA cannot get into a group. Sorry... can't take you... show your title. Because they don't have a title, they don't go anywhere.

The PvP community doesn't want to take the time to teach new players how to, unless they join their guild. I had experienced that first hand awhile back. Once I found someone to help me learn the ins and outs of PvP, I got a chance to actually be a part of. It was a painful process. PvP wasn't one of those things that you could just "get into". If that was your experience, then you had a very odd one. The general consensus in my social circle is that PvP people are a lot less likely teach new people, which makes it harder for PvE people to migrate over to PvP. I don't consider RA organized PvP, which is one of the areas that title or rank doesn't matter.

Start with RA get glad 2, go to TA learn 2 play. Move on to HA im sure groups take glad 3s if they advertise for rank 3-5. You can get into it, you have to be willing to try though.

uhm, little missunderstoodment ? don't know, but looks so ^^

Everythign I said was:

If the PvP Side wants to have those special PvE Gloves and Headgears for their PvP Only-Characters, ...

...then should link Anet for fairness to the KoaBD-Title the Emotes of the Hero-Title, so that both sides - PvE and PvP Characters will have both their separate ways to archieve those Emotes.

Because nothing is more annoying for a pure PvE-Only Character, than to get forced to play PvP for one of the nicest things out of the content of GW and that are those special EMOTES.


But the only arguements that all those No-sayers have is, that maxing KoaBD is easier, then farming long enough fame to get enough by playing only PvP and that those people fear the annoyance of childish arrogant kiddies, who think, that they have to provoke all and everythign then, by spamming /emote in towns...
But that are imo both only arguements with no weigth.

Those Emotes are Content of the Game and should belong to both modes, regardles if you decide yourself now, only to play PvE, or only to play PvP. Both modes should provide their own ways to receive the special emotes.

Same should count then for fairness also to for pvP, by giving PvP Characters the possibility to archieve somehow the special Gloves and Headgears for their Characters. Why should PvP's not be able, to create also characters, which wear those thigns, wen they want them...

Same should also count then also for Ranger Pets...PvP'er should be able to unlock with Balthazar Points Pets for Rangers for PvP... and then when creating a Ranger in PvP Mode, the player receives then the free choice out of his unlocked pets, which one you want to have for the character.

But like I said on an other topic about this: Anet cares a shit for such a fairness, their concept about a merged PvE/PvP with different awards was from the begin on the biggest crap.

Good Developers would know, that such a crap concept only will split the community into 2 sides and that different awards will make both sides against each other only jealous, especially when those awards force players to play a gameplay mode, they don't want to play, because they absolutely don't like it.

The Size of the part of the GW Community, which prefers PvE over PvP is very much bigger, than vice versa. Anet's dev's should have know, that they surely make not much friends with such stupid concepts about gameplay mode different "trophies".

It's not our fault, when PvP'ers can't accept, that the KoaBD-Title is for the Emotes the atm best solution for this problem.
When KoaBD R6 alone is not enough - fine, should anet link it with other conditions, that have to be done also, like maxing all Monuments ect. pp
But they should finally do something about this unfair gameplay GW is in both modes filled with, which makes ever Side A happy, but kicks Side B's Ass.
Both modes have such unfair things, like mentioned above and such things must not be in a really GOOD game.

When it would be ever the intention of Anet to make both sides happy, they would never make such retarded shit, like forcing PvE'ers to play High End PvP for Emotes and giving on the other side PvP'ers not High End PvE Equipment and only limited Profession Pets (ya, limited to 1, wow a dumb Wolf, whats a shitty wolf, when you could have instead theoretically a shiny nice Rain Bow Phoenix ? -.-)

Nah, this discussion about these unfair thigns has imo finally to come to an end, through an Update of Anet, which will fix those things so that PvE's will never be anymore anywhere in the game forced to play High End pvP, to receive things and PvP's will get for their characters all the same stuff, like PvE'ers, but have those thigns as usual to unlock first through Balthazar Points for their Account...

and all this stuff would find finally an end and if anything about the emotes will end to massive spam provocations through Emotes can Anet also fix this quit by disabling /emote in towns, btw give players the option in the menu, if they want to see thsoe emotes in towns or not.

Abled = you see them then in town

Disabled = people can spam then so much /emote as they want, u see nothing.


I think this must be really an alternative arguement everyone should be able to accept, who still can't accept such an alternative, must be really one of the most selfish PvP'ers on the World >.>, because with such changes will have both sides something from it.

I have a question that I am genuinely curious about, I'm not taking the mick or anything, but why would a pure PvPer buy EotN anyway? It only added like 10 skills that are not PvE-only. As far as I can tell, EotN was SPECIFICALLY a PvE expansion...

Hmmm.... wasn't talking to you, however, you are free to augment my posts as needed. I distinctly remember typing the word "snip"...

Yeah... I was trying to prove this point about people putting words in my mouth...

pvp rangers shouldn't have pets, let alone nice looking ones.




also, why do pve-ers want that emote so badly?

I hate the fact that it seems like many PvEers blame the PvPers for the whole fame = emote situation. No one asked for the emote, it's not our fault. I don't know a single decent PvPer that flaunts their emote. I use it as a joke among friends, I don't know of anyone outside HA in seriousness. I know it is used in HA as a sort of "status symbol" which I absolutely hate.

Basically: Please don't use the argument "T3H PVPERZ BE TAKIN MY GLOVES! I DESERVE AN EMOTEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! THOSE NUBS!!!"

Why, here are 3 really simple reasons !!!


1. They are beautiful (at least personally the Phoenix looks just awesome to me)

2. They could be used maybe for Role Play ? Ever thought about that ?
Yeah, such people exist in PvE, which do in it RP >.>

3. To have something to be more proud about your Character and the Effort behind your Work of making out of a "Nobody" a powerful looking "Hero", but that as nothing to do with provoking other peoples and being the last Asshole with a gigantous E-Peen >.>
The Title of God Walking among mere Mortals alone is very quick boring, but to have with the Ranks also some kind of Eye Candy makes the whole thing direct more interesting and awesome, but also motivating to work on all that grind.
On titles alone react so or so no people, they have ever first to click your character and you have to activate the title to be shown to others ...
This gets annoying, when you want to show someone your archievements, that really wants to see them and you have to switch then ever between your titles, when it would be just simple enough to type in instead /emote ...


Theres a last semi alternative that I heard:

When giving pvp'ers emotes, for KoaBD, they should have other color, as those from pvp ?

would be an alternative, but would totally look stupid, when you use e/mote and for example appears then a blue phoenix oO instead of a red one, where phoenix's are fire birds >.>

I think this is also a good alternative, but it would be simple enough to give the pve-version an other background aura...

PvP ones comes with such a Ring-Aura ...
PvE ones could come then instead without this Ring-Aura.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4vWT153OJQ < Phoenix

look at it and than just imagine the same without this Ring-Aura for PvE ...

this way people will see then, if someone got the emote through pve, or pvp

You made a good joke there. I wish you could hear me lol irl.

At least, I think I know what you're saying, it's hard to decipher behind that mask of horrible grammar.

Honestly, for some personal advice, Phoenix Tears, have you noticed whenever you post your long-winded explanations to something, you always get ripped apart because

A. You have bad ideas
B. You have terrible grammar
C. All of the above.

Seriously, you might want to think about just stopping, I don't think I've ever seen anyone whole-heartedly agree with you.

Because everyone who plays Guild Wars is a native and fluent speaker of English.

They aren't? Scandal!

This is an insult to people who atleast try to communicate in another language than their native language and should be a banneble offence on GWG. This is supposed to be an "Elit Fansite".(Elite does not stand for English speaking)
Sorry for off topic

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If you're going to make an argument with english speakers on an American forum, I'd hope I'd be able to understand you.

I don't support this idea, but Phoenix is a. bad b. not very intelligent c. full of bad ideas d. enamored by the concept that concept classes are serious business.

Again, I'll say it. Why should we, as PvPers, care?

what pvp are you talking about that is even comparable to pve in difficulty? Alliance Battles? Tombs?

The only challenging PvP I have encountered is in HA and GvG (and that is sometimes). For the most part, a large potion of the PvP world run gimmick team builds (or just builds in general). Start PvPing a little and you will see how common builds are. It isn't rocket science. PvE isn't difficult, btw. I refered to them both as grinding, because that is what it is. Doing the same thing to get the same results.

All we can do is try to understand them. Admittedly, Phoenix does have some terrible ideas, but he can't help the way it's laid out. It's very hard to perfect a language. Even I'm struggling to learn Japanese fluently, my shirousagi.

Without trying to be a dick or anything, saying PvE and PvP are equally challenging is just dumb. Achieving KoaBD isn't difficult, merely somewhat time consuming. When people (as a collective) jump on my back for saying that, and start spouting off with "where's your KoaBD, then?" - I don't have it, I don't really care about getting it either.

But I don't care about giving Chaos Gloves or whatever for Reward Points either.

Again, didn't say they were equally challenging. I said they are both grinding. PvP is grinding just like PvE is grinding. You learn how to play both and you grind away.

its an american forum? where does it say that i must have missed it, thought it was international

Ahum ? pls explain yourself =)

Do you live on Mars on something? Internet IS America. /doh
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