Chaos Gloves for everybody!

Posted By: The Way Out
I also find it unfair that PvP players can just reroll a max character, have every skill and item accessible to them, and then be given all the items that PvE characters have to grind endlessly to get. Now they can also get armor and things that PvE player have to save gold and materials to buy. Here is x trp and I can have chaos gloves.

Erm your talking bout pvers grinding endlessly, to get 300rp takes as long as to get 1000k lol not even close, we work harder to get the rp then you do to get money so dont even bother comparing until you actually try the system.
300rp is soo fair for chaos gloves, I see nothing wrong with the idea, I still dont understand why people would not want this, it affects no one, did people complain when fow was available on rp? I dont remember complaints. Same goes here, really as long as we put in the SAME effort to get them, HOW we get them does not matter so I totally do not see a problem here.

People DID complain when the whole RP system was introduced but thats besides the point.

I have a question for you. You say its so hard to get the RP points and you so desperately want these fow gloves. your saying pve is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE easy and that you only have to invest less than half the time to get the item in pve. This is all right so far or not?

Simple question i have now is. Why dont you just make a PvE character and get all those items if you are so desperate for them?
Is it because you cant be arsed to play the boring mindless part of the game that is PvE. Guild Wars is still a non grind game in the way that you dont have to grind to have max stuff. But if you want to look good, have nice skined weapons and armor you have to sit down do that boring crap and stop QQing so much.

PvP char: Unlock skills needed from balthazar rewards
PvE char: Unlock skills, then pay 1k or use a tome to "learn it" on your character...

It would just be much easier to let PvP characters unlock these special gloves and headgear through RP, than to make it through a campaign just for the gloves.

That would be dumb. Leave it for pve. The whole point for some people is they want to play pve to build THEIR own character and then go to pvp.

PVP-only are already an unfair and cheap feature of GWs, imo. What your asking would be the same as me saying...

"I want my pve character to be able to switch out runes and mods on the fly like a pvp character."

Armor skins, weapons skins are a part of pve, they should stay NOT a part of pvp-only toons. Then half the reason for some players to even play pve is thrown out the window.

Bad enough pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character. Wounder how many of them are the ones that run in other games sceaming their head off about being plvled.

Lolwut? Comparing Runes and Insignias to a glove skin is just plain stupid and elitist. Seriously, to unlock Fancy Armours, you need to put in much, much, much more time than to get Chaos Gloves in PvE. I could see your point if Chaos Gloves gave you like, an extra Sundering or something, but it's just a skin.

I see that you run around with FoW armour and Chaos Gloves in LA AD1 shouting "I'M T3H B3ST PLAHYAH IN T3H GAM3 F00Lz!!!", but PvP players were getting tired of having the same, tired, stale old armour/weapon skins, and the devs, and most of the community felt that PvPers should be rewarded for succeeding in their part of the game.

To say that "pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character" is just plain dumb. If you were to go through the top ranks of PvPers, I'm sure that 98% of them have completed every campaign, and have a few PvE titles on they're RPG chars. "Building a character" in GW doesn't take much of a time commitment at all. I put an ele together from scratch to lvl 20, with all the weapon sets/armours I needed and quite a few elite skills in under 2 days, as opposed to a game like WoW or EQ where it takes months/years to build a character.

I also fail to see the statement about how PvPers in GW cry about plvling in other games has any effect on your argument.

Fixed that for you.

Who are you talking to, I am in defense of keeping the gloves PvE? Reread my posts, numbnuts. I am a primarily PvE player that sees nothing wrong with the way things are now. It isn't difficult to get anything like that in PvE. I think it is a cop out for PvP players to skip over a large part of the game to get what they want. It is unfair to the people that grind to get it. I don't call PvP grinding unless you are going for titles. PvP is fun... grinding UW is not... powertrading is not...

Also, DELETED... stop jumping into threads and challenging people all the time without reading the entire thread, nub. If you had went back, you would have seen what I was talking about. RED ENGINE GORED is corny btw... I don't find it cool or "in".

This thread makes me lol,

On topic though why should this be a problem as far as i know 300 rp are already equal to at least 150k, and it's not like pvp chars can use it in pve.

I hated the fact pvpers can get pve stuff for rp.Whats next Turn in rp for ectos and lockpicks.
You want Pve stuff do it like the good old days: Start new char -- Lvl to 20 -- Learn skills needed -- Buy armor -- Farm weapons -- Go PvP, or is that too hard for your leetness.

But iv played the game for a while now and liked the way it use to be.
Im also one of the few ppl that enjoy both PvP-PvE...(and by PvP i dont mean RA or AB lol) and i only use pvp chars when i need to reroll fast if i dont have a REAL Char set up for the builds.

I wish they would take all the RP things out and go back to starter stuff.
PvP is about skills,not about what weapons you use or what armor you got on.
PvE is about what you can farm,how much gold you got and not about skills.

All this pvp vs pve C&@p seems like a bunch of childish S%$T.
I see why ppl dont like each side tho.
HA is full of @$$hole PvPers that think there better then everyone and PvE is full of Pugs that dont know what the $#@! there doing about anything.

......................WELCOME TO EARTH PPL!.............................

I know ppl are going to hate my comments from both sides,but i really dont care.
Why cant ppl just enjoy GW (both sides)for what it is and not complain about whats wrong with it?

/signed if KoaBD track gets emotes.

In other words, /notsigned.

That IS the PvE game - if you weren't working to get that next skin or whatever, what reason do you have to play PvE? If you don't enjoy grinding UW and powertrading then why do it? It doesn't make any sense to spend hours and hours of your life getting an item which doesn't do anything if you don't enjoy it.

/signed for what it's worth, not that I'd use it myself, my RPs all go to keys anyway.
I don't see the harm of adding it and Anet were going to for a while now.

Thank you for proving my above points. I play for titles and wealth. It is the only fun I have in the game. PvP was fun, however, there is too much anger and immaturity in much of PvP.

I don't enjoy grinding for items. I enjoy PvE, though, because not all of it is about grinding. PvP is much more fun to play and should reflect the same time restriction that PvE does in terms of item acquisition. Some people can farm rps like they are nothing. That is unfair to the person who farms ecto and relies on a drop rate generated by a SQL database from anet.

you should be able to buy stuff of EoTN with RP's, including shiny gloves

/signed for buying it with RP's

Ok gogo hypocrite, i wasnt "challenging" you at all. I was stating my opinion to A blade from hell not you at all. Please read what i was quoting in the first place.
I agree with you that Chaos Gloves should stay PvE and that skipping out a large part of the game is wrong.

Also as far as i know this is a "Discussion Forum" and i was merely stating my opinion. And i am awfully sorry for not reading the whole topic, but the mods have deleted so many posts i couldn't be arsed to find where i had stopped last. And you dont seem to know what the GO RED ENGINE GO RED ENGINE means so check it up here
Lastly i dont mean to flame you at all, but you attacked me without having clearly read my post at all in any way. If my stand point was not clear to you, you should have asked rather than just assume something(you assumed the total opposite of what i was acctually meaning)
Anyway we cool?

I see your point, but guild wars is still supposed to be a "skill over time" game, so people who win more should be able to get things faster... in my opinion.

Same thing should be given to the master farmers out here. Higher drops rates, so the rich get rich and poor stay poor. lol

/not signed

PvP and PvE should be seperated when it comes to skills, items and armor at this point. I've seen a lot of lowballing towards pve on these boards. If it's that easy, I'm sure you pvp players can get the gloves in no time, even on multiple new characters. /end sarcasm

Second point, you guys don't need the gloves in pvp, you're there to play against eachother, not to show off. Fight goddammit

Sure I understand you wanne die in style, but you can't have it all. Or wait, yes you can, the old fashioned way. Or maybe just forget about the gloves, like I forgot about emotes.

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours you know. That's how things work in life. Give and take but when the taking comes always from one side, the relation is doomed to fail. 3 years of constantly balancing skills is refreshing to some of the pve players but others don't like it at all, especially the nerfs ofcourse. I understand skills need balancing for pvp purposes, that's why I'm for a total seperation of the two.

What does pvp have to offer pve? Maybe a deal can be made.

Really, the only argument I've seen against this is "No, PvE-ers need more stuff because PvPers don't work for anything". Also, e-peens figure into the equation.

Honestly, answer me this, What's harder to get? ~400k, or ~1100 RP's? Seriously, I know what's more difficult to get.

The argument "PvPers should just earn it in PvE" is also void, because not everyone love love loves PvE. I personally find it difficult to endure, seriously, 3 heroes, 4 henchies, press C, press Space = you win mission = gg.

There's really no reason not to let PvPers earn it.

Why don't some Mod mearg this with

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...26#post3757226

Seams to revolve around the same issue

/signed

pvp'ers should be able to get all skins using RP

/signed

doesn't affect pve, makes pvpers have more options.

Well it seems you didn't look good enough to find counterarguments. The only example you gave is a generalisation that pvpers don't work for anything.

E-peen is exactly why you want the gloves.

To answer your question: 400k seems easy to get, yet you admit you find it difficult to endure to play pve. What's the hot spot in pve to farm these days, DoA Ursan style. You can't even do that with hench and you don't have enough heroes to make a full team of your own. A full run in HM will take about 2-3 hours and you'll get 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 gems and maybe some from loot if the group succeeds. Lets say you get 4 gemsets at best to sell, that makes about 50k.

Duo farm UW in HM, 4-5 ectos an hour if you're lucky, still a lot of farming to get those gloves.

These two above examples are not for the average Joe and that's exactly another argument. The 'pve is so easy crap' is just a way to justify what you would like to have.

It was an insult enough, you guys could get Razah for 'nothing', while we had to endure DoA when it was still DoA if you know what I mean. It was the only ritualist hero at that time. It took Anet a few months to realise it's a hero, mostly wanted by the pve player base.

For a long time Crystaline swords only dropped from HoH chests and it's the same with that Ghostly hero I would like to have.

What's next, you guys want DoA weapons and destroyer stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I personally have nothing against people wanting more pvp fun but I wan't some more pve love too, for example the use of 7 heroes. Cause really, playing the dungeons in HM with hero/hench is far from easy to give another example. Sure it can be done, I did it too, but calling it easy is just ridiculous. Would like to know the succes/fail rate of DoA groups in HM too btw.

I've got a nice little paradox for you.

E-peen is exactly why PvEers don't want PvPers to have the gloves.

Yes ofcourse and it's exactly why PvPers don't want PvEers to have emotes. It's all about E-peen, I thought we alrdy figured that out by now.

The only real solution is to give it to everybody, or give it to nobody, in all e-peen cases.

/signed

I really don't see why there is so much opposition to this, it really doesn't affect PvE dramatically or at all. I see most of these negative posts are fueled by bad experiances with PvPers and frustration between the communities; however most are baseless and contain no good reasons for preventing PvP players with full Skin access. It seems to me that the general feeling from these is "PvP has ruined a portion of the game i enjoyed through some means or another, therefore no PvPer should enjoy the same privledges I have."

The other arguement seems to revolve around ease of access to chaos gloves for PvP players and less effort/time investment. Lets do the math shall we!

1000 reward points for getting to high end armor = 15 Wins in an AT @70 RP per Win.

Assuming 300-500 RP for the gloves themselves = Minimum 5 AT wins @70 RP

Total Time Invested for GvG = 45-50 hours
Total Possible conversion if put into Zkeys = 780K

Now the other thing to take note of is how RP is earned. it can only be earned through AT's and HB. Assuming you play 1 AT everyday (which would be a miracle for almost all guilds) and WIN every single one. It would take 20 days of straight wins to achieve these gloves. This is all but impossible for most players and even mid/high level guilds to do consistantly.

The other arguement I see comming up a lot is the fact that PvPers get Emotes for playing HA so PvE should have something special as well. This is an interesting arguement. I myself have managed to earn rank 6 Kind of a Big Deal on my assassin and am very proud to display that title. Would I like a little more for my efforts? sure, but the title itself is all the honor I need. Being able to amalgamate all my PvE titles into 1 track is very nice. Also, Having access to my own personal Hall of monuments and equiping all of my achievments is something i cannot do on a PvP character and many PvP only players will never access this place to Xfer thier accomplishments to GW2.

To be honost I don't really care if this gets signed or not, My connections through the rumor mill have been talking about this for some time now and I'm fairly sure this will be implemented in the near future.

As for all you haters, dry your eyes. Save those tears for april when the exclusive in game prizes for tournements are implemented and Anet belittles your hard work and unjustly divies out those unique items to the tournement winner who hardly put any effort into winning.

No. GW:EN was supposed to be focussed on PvE, and the developments of our characters. All the armours, rewards, titles and skills are based on this, too.


PvP characters don't develop, they start out perfect without actually growing.

Besides, PvP'ers would get the gloves while having fun playing the game, PvE'ers have to do countless of hours boring farming for it.

Unless the Chaos Gloves are only available to Rank 10 PvP'ers, and only to people who ALSO have GW:EN (Would be unfair if only PvE'ers have to buy GW:EN for the gloves), I do not sign this.


Oh, and I want a victory chest in my Guild Hall that I can open everytime I enter! :P

I found a good post in another thread.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=375

Just had to make some minor changes to it (in Bold)

source

It's been in the works for a reeeeally long time, stop crying.

more players wearing those stupid looking gloves = less prestige...

/signed

Okay, lets see... comparing what each pvp and pve have.

PvE: Several high-end chests, PvE-only skills, PvE-only weapons (bmp), PvE-only Armour, and Way more accessable titles (PvE-only).

PvP: 1 high end chest (HoH), Less skills than PvE, A couple re-named skins for their "PvP-only-skins", no special armour, and less titles.

Well i suppose /rank makes up for the huge amount of things missing (i'm being sarcastic, incase any noobs think i'm being serious).


PvP has less than half the accessability as PvE. If we give them access to some silly gloves, that imo is still not enough.

Guildwars is recognized through its PvP tournaments and such, not their Ursan-way FoW runs. They deserve a little more than what they have already.

Maybe also give everyone r7 eternal set by writing /bonus? Also i'd love to see that everyone pvp char could sellect 30 titles to max, just by clicking it and woah, its maxed. Hmm, what else... oh yeah, obsi armor should be buyable from merch, chest piece 15g, else 10gp?

I mean /notsigned!!!!!

Ok its ok to me if pvp chars could get chaos gloves. As long they pay 75 ectos for them like me and many other did.

wow, that was embarassing...

Anyways, ever hear of the term "Reward Points" ? Wiki it, maybe you'll learn somthing new.

Where in the world are pvp players gonig to get ecto, from soem kind of magical-pvp-UW ?

Well fine if they are as stupidly expensive as they are in PvE . Which comes to about 400 points or somthing ^^

Maybe they should go to uw and farm them like other ppl with chaos gloves did? Yeah, i know what reward points are. Or maybe make them buyable by balthazar faction. Whatever as long as they are stupidly expensive lol.

Totally agree.

Skill updates come in and affect PvE all because of people moaning in PvP about something. If you want something in the PvE world work for it and then use it, oh but this will be your continual re-roll PvP char won't it.... so can't keep it there always.

PvE players need to reach a certain title and outpost to get that and they pay +-400k for it

PvP shouldnt have this just by a simple click

And since stats aint different from other gloves, make a PvE chars if you really want them. PvE stuff we earn shouldnt be "owed" to PvP dummies

/not signed

when they are introduced, im sure the price will be very comparable to the amount of gold they are worth (5 reward points=2.5-3k)

i dont see why pvers would care about the so called "prestige" of the item, if the character can only use it in pvp zones anyways. its not like it devalues them in anyway in pve land, all it does is make them more common (and only just, as not many people are going to get that many reward points quickly)

all the pve vs pvp shit is useless, and seriously wont get anywhere

Yeah but it's a laugh though

Obviously you either don't know what reward points are, or you fail to read posts in this thread.

Chaos Gloves would obviously be a Fancy Armor, which takes about 1000 RP's to get those anyway. Then, on top of that, they'd probably cost at the very least 200 RP's for the gloves. All total, if converted to Z Keys, it would be in the range of 750k.

Maybe you should learn to play before bashing ideas lol.