Stereotypes and GW - How does it affect you?
Konig Des Todes
Yeah, I had this same problem with my first few necros, and first character. At random times people would pm me asking for cyber sex or a random war would go behind me and do /dance. It got very annoying so I deleted my female necro and now only play male characters...and I'm a guy too...very annoying...
Sefk
That's why you never give out personal information online. I tends to sacrifice social aspects for calm.
The great thing about online software is that it allows people from everywhere to communicate together. However, this kind of "global town" creates also some incompatible social match. Let's take an anecdotal example:
On the left ring, we have: PW3 U N44p, 12 yearsold boy who is conditioned in a mostly homophobic environment (friends, schoolmates, etc. etc.) He lives in a environment where homosexuality is very rare (since at 12 yearsold, most boys have just started their sexual awareness) or taboo. If you put this teen in a chat room with a homosexual person, don't hope any respectful result, especially if we take in count that "chat" reduce the stress caused by insulting someone face to face.
Now, if we add the fact that at lot of regular players are teens since they have more time than most adult counterpart, we have a better picture.
About Asians' supernatural pvp reputation:
I think it's possible to prove that Asians tends to have better scores in pvp due to cultural influence. Traditional Asian culture tends to favor hard work and patience. Add the fact that 1st and 2nd generation Asians outside their native country has been "selected" by immigration offices.
And stereotype did the rest.
About girls:
I don't know if there is a specific of personality to push a girl to play an online game, because most girls that I know don't like bashing mobs around (maybe because of a social conditioning or it's just "natural). So it's hard for me to know if "most online girl are nice" is based on something or not.
In the other hand, Anet doesn't seem to have the talent to draw male skins. I can't find a male mesmer skin that suits me, so I just play with a girl skin.
The great thing about online software is that it allows people from everywhere to communicate together. However, this kind of "global town" creates also some incompatible social match. Let's take an anecdotal example:
On the left ring, we have: PW3 U N44p, 12 yearsold boy who is conditioned in a mostly homophobic environment (friends, schoolmates, etc. etc.) He lives in a environment where homosexuality is very rare (since at 12 yearsold, most boys have just started their sexual awareness) or taboo. If you put this teen in a chat room with a homosexual person, don't hope any respectful result, especially if we take in count that "chat" reduce the stress caused by insulting someone face to face.
Now, if we add the fact that at lot of regular players are teens since they have more time than most adult counterpart, we have a better picture.
About Asians' supernatural pvp reputation:
I think it's possible to prove that Asians tends to have better scores in pvp due to cultural influence. Traditional Asian culture tends to favor hard work and patience. Add the fact that 1st and 2nd generation Asians outside their native country has been "selected" by immigration offices.
And stereotype did the rest.
About girls:
I don't know if there is a specific of personality to push a girl to play an online game, because most girls that I know don't like bashing mobs around (maybe because of a social conditioning or it's just "natural). So it's hard for me to know if "most online girl are nice" is based on something or not.
In the other hand, Anet doesn't seem to have the talent to draw male skins. I can't find a male mesmer skin that suits me, so I just play with a girl skin.
Dr Strangelove
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About girls:
I don't know if there is a specific of personality to push a girl to play an online game, because most girls that I know don't like bashing mobs around (maybe because of a social conditioning or it's just "natural). So it's hard for me to know if "most online girl are nice" is based on something or not. |
3-D shooters and the like tend to still be male-dominated. I'd assume this is because guys like twitch gamer and competitive stuff more.
Sefk
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
From the stats I've seen, girls tend towards MMOs with lots of interaction. I'd assume this is because girls tend to be more interested in the social environment and stories of games.
3-D shooters and the like tend to still be male-dominated. I'd assume this is because guys like twitch gamer and competitive stuff more. |
But I think you still got a point here. I think that some of those girls who seeks a lot of social interaction through MMO may have a few problem about imposing themselves IRL, so they use the virtual to get a "controlled" social interaction (I'm not a social-psychologist thou, so maybe I'm totally wrong too).
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Sefk
Not really, I have got my ass kicked a couple of time in a CS tournament by girls.
But I think you still got a point here. I think that some of those girls who seeks a lot of social interaction through MMO may have a few problem about imposing themselves IRL, so they use the virtual to get a "controlled" social interaction (I'm not a social-psychologist thou, so maybe I'm totally wrong too). |
creelie
Through a combination of low testosterone and social conditioning, many girls are out of touch with what aggression they have. Compared to other online game experiences, MMORPGs are quite gentle and nonthreatening. Sure, six months in I was jumping on a dead titan's head and yelling in all caps (DNKP), but I started by waving my wand at a River Skale Tad and picking up a flower.
What I mean to say is I'm not surprised the proportion of women in games like GW is higher than in certain other games that demand a great deal of machismo.
People with a Lego fetish.
What I mean to say is I'm not surprised the proportion of women in games like GW is higher than in certain other games that demand a great deal of machismo.
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
and who has interest in a male monk?.
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Miriel
I don't give people my gender in game based off on those stereotypes :/ I suck in the game because I haven't yet figured out how to master my profession, not because I'm female.
I've seen male players instantly change their attitudes towards me once I gave out my gender, and I don't like that. So I would rather not give out much personal information at all and remain elusive (sort of :B)
I've seen male players instantly change their attitudes towards me once I gave out my gender, and I don't like that. So I would rather not give out much personal information at all and remain elusive (sort of :B)
eeks
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Originally Posted by Sefk
Not really, I have got my ass kicked a couple of time in a CS tournament by girls.
But I think you still got a point here. I think that some of those girls who seeks a lot of social interaction through MMO may have a few problem about imposing themselves IRL, so they use the virtual to get a "controlled" social interaction (I'm not a social-psychologist thou, so maybe I'm totally wrong too). |
However yes, I do tend to be the type to watch the cutscenes, and enjoy some of the storylines. Additionally, the social interaction in-game was a main attraction for me at first, but now I just play the game.
Sefk
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Originally Posted by eeks
Ehh. That's a stereotype in itself. I'm perfectly fine with real life social interactions, and no doubt many other female players are too. The only problems I have in RL situations boil down to assertiveness as opposed to what I assume you mean - an incapability to go out there and speak to people.
However yes, I do tend to be the type to watch the cutscenes, and enjoy some of the storylines. Additionally, the social interaction in-game was a main attraction for me at first, but now I just play the game. |
Storyline is another aspect of the game, and should be analyzed separately. Putting: enjoying storyline and social interaction together is now a stereotype, since their is no clear evidence of covariance.
Finally, I did say: "some of those girls" and not all those girls. Nuance.
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Originally Posted by Karis Elanay
I've seen male players instantly change their attitudes towards me once I gave out my gender, and I don't like that. So I would rather not give out much personal information at all and remain elusive (sort of :B)
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Miriel
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Originally Posted by Sefk
Normal. It's just natural.
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I'm just a girl, being a strange boy, in a girl's character. Naturally.
eeks
Getting mainstream? And what on Earth do you mean by that? Besides, I should have elaborated that I'm not assertive with strangers, yet I am around people I've known for more than a few days.
To assume that.. some girls play Guild Wars to be imposing to people behind a pc screen is a tad presumptuos.
My storyline example was directed to Dr Strangelove. Admitting something isn't basing a stereotype.
There're plenty of girls (myself included) I know who enjoy FPS games as well, but yes. It is a generally male-dominated genre as that's how it originated.
Otherwise, the girl gamers being a rarity thing is a silly notion from the 90s and earlier. Today, female gamers are far more common.
To assume that.. some girls play Guild Wars to be imposing to people behind a pc screen is a tad presumptuos.
My storyline example was directed to Dr Strangelove. Admitting something isn't basing a stereotype.
There're plenty of girls (myself included) I know who enjoy FPS games as well, but yes. It is a generally male-dominated genre as that's how it originated.
Otherwise, the girl gamers being a rarity thing is a silly notion from the 90s and earlier. Today, female gamers are far more common.
Sefk
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Originally Posted by eeks
Getting mainstream? And what on Earth do you mean by that? Besides, I should have elaborated that I'm not assertive with strangers, yet I am around people I've known for more than a few days. .
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Getting mainstream: becoming those girls that are popular. You know having the same social appeal than those girls who are socially accepted and dominant. For example, in a school, you always have this category of girls who are cool, and considered to have sexual appeal and the "rest".
Getting mainstream is not necessarily the choice of everybody, since it can be a physical or mental barrier. However, most people will want to be "mainstream", at least just to obtain benefices that being mainstream represent.
But then, I'm just doing some philosophical reflexion based on some basic sociology and psychology, so I may be wrong.
Tatile
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But then, I'm just doing some philosophical reflexion based on some basic sociology and psychology, so I may be wrong.
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However it causes to much generalisation and can lead to ridcolous stereotyping. I mean, someone earlier mentioned that they were told once that girls should play monks. I'm guessing this statement has a basis in the theory of female-maternity feelings, but these days that's bull.
I hope that some of these comments come from a lack of education, such as thirteen year olds attending two Biology lessons and suddenly thinking they're experts on hormonal levels and its affects. Of course they understand very little as these days with equality being on most couple's minds, the jobs are split, allowing women to develop their aggresive sides.
Therefore, women can easily be a monk or warrior dependant on her personailty and mood at the time. Anyone who says different should be slapped with a wet fish.
(This is mostly conjecture of course, don't call on my defend my position, it will fall apart. However, anyone that does say that excellence in a certain profession (in game) is based solely on gender really does need a slap and re-education.)
My .02p, let's hope it isn't rejected
I can't play my warrior all that awesomely, but that's due to my lack of warrior knowledge, not because I'm female. I'd check out the Campfire if it weren't so confusing all the time.
/plays Monk, loves killing stuff and getting shinies
Sefk
You know, this female=monk stuff has a problem: they have to proof that "female-maternity feelings" exists, is present in almost every women and can be extended to every situation. Then, you also have to take into account "why girls play games", which is not necessarily to play "moms".
It's kinda hard to have a great picture of GW's society, since it's as hard a analyzing a true society(even worth, since we know have a mix bag of everything instead of a relatively unified society).
So what we say here are basically speculations based on some basic knowledge. I would really like to know the opinion of some experts, but this kind of experts is not so common (if they exist...).
And I like that. As long as we stay in speculations, argumentations, we are safe. And as long as ideas are confronted, they are alive and they evolve.
What I fear is people who don't really takes time to think about what is said and just react after reading 2/3 of the text.
And I would be really pissed off if today I find someone shouting my statements deformed in Kamadan.
It's kinda hard to have a great picture of GW's society, since it's as hard a analyzing a true society(even worth, since we know have a mix bag of everything instead of a relatively unified society).
So what we say here are basically speculations based on some basic knowledge. I would really like to know the opinion of some experts, but this kind of experts is not so common (if they exist...).
And I like that. As long as we stay in speculations, argumentations, we are safe. And as long as ideas are confronted, they are alive and they evolve.
What I fear is people who don't really takes time to think about what is said and just react after reading 2/3 of the text.
And I would be really pissed off if today I find someone shouting my statements deformed in Kamadan.
Ouchie
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Originally Posted by Krispera
Yes it affects me how people are retarded in game.
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on other topics I am also a girl and can I can't stand the whole can you be my girlfreind/ wanna cyber thing - I won't vent for that reason.
As for what I look like well - as long as my hubby's okay with it then no one else needs to care but me - so it should never come up and if it does I don't really care if someone thinks I'm fat-thin-ugly-gorgeous-short-tall-old-young or have ingrown toenails.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Tatile
That sounds similar to some of the things my friendly Bio-reductionist has come out with. As a theory, it makes sense, females are to have wide set hips and wonderful curves that make an apple weap, and their biology and hormonal levels affect their emotions, much like men.
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Based on the data available, women are present in MMOs in higher proportions than in more traditional games. MMOs have social interaction and immersive storylines, while more traditional games do not. Thus, it is likely the women as a group enjoy games with social interaction and storylines.
You can't make generalizations about individuals and have them be accurate, as all people are different. This is why stereotypes don't work. However, you can make generalizations about the behavior of people as a group if you back it up with data.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Stereotyping would be saying every female every to pick up a video game plays for the social interaction and storyline. Something like this is more fitting:
Based on the data available, women are present in MMOs in higher proportions than in more traditional games. MMOs have social interaction and immersive storylines, while more traditional games do not. Thus, it is likely the women as a group enjoy games with social interaction and storylines. You can't make generalizations about individuals and have them be accurate, as all people are different. This is why stereotypes don't work. However, you can make generalizations about the behavior of people as a group if you back it up with data. |
I know girls who like killing things, they play fighting and action games 'cause they want to hit things, while I know some guys who play for storylines. I'm pretty much in the middle of this and I'm a guy - I like good storylines, but others I don't even care for it (GW is one, D2 is another). I've been told gay guys shouldn't play GW, but I also think he'd have seen me more as a monk (which I do play anyways) 'cause it's viewed more as a feminine role than your... huh... "masculine" dervish I was playing that time. And we all know gay guys and women are compared a lot, if not thought as similar.
Such things do indeed strongly depend on personalities. There's a reason why I don't play support para or BiP necro - I like killing things, being in front, doing damage. And I know a few girls like that too. Strange enough, I like monking.
Tatile
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
You can't make generalizations about individuals and have them be accurate, as all people are different. This is why stereotypes don't work. However, you can make generalizations about the behavior of people as a group if you back it up with data.
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Kusandaa brings up the kNOwledge here quite nicely, that people think that gay men and women are similar. They're similar in the way that men and women are similar. Each person has their own personality that affects what they do, their gender only affects their actions on a very base, biological level. These affects have no control over whether someone will be better at Monking or not. Monking seems like an alpha role in a party for what it does: keep the party alive. It requires a strong personality that can deal with pressure and that won't flake out at the first death. If we're going to be making classes based on archaic notions of gender-roles, Monking is therefore for guys (it's obviously not, no class is better in the hands of either gender).
br0thergr1m
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Originally Posted by Tatile
I hope that some of these comments come from a lack of education, such as thirteen year olds attending two Biology lessons and suddenly thinking they're experts on hormonal levels and its affects. |
Tatile
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Originally Posted by br0thergr1m
Try getting on later in your country and see how the community changes (after kiddie's bed time).
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Sadly, most of the hubbub can be avoided by turning Local off, but that somewhat defeats the purpose of playing a social game.
Note: I'm using 'guy' and 'he' as non-gender specific terms, like legal documents ^.^
Also, I'm an introvert, so I don't count in social circles. See that wallpaper? I'm in there *sticky*
Adam of Tyria
This has turned into a womens rights/gay pride thread.
And before you ask, no I am not sexist, or homophobic.
And before you ask, no I am not sexist, or homophobic.
Tatile
You could say that Adam, but if have a look at what people are saying then you know why. There seems to be a lot of homopobia and sexism in game.
Sefk
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Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria
This has turned into a womens rights/gay pride thread.
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creelie
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
There's a reason why I don't play support para or BiP necro - I like killing things, being in front, doing damage. And I know a few girls like that too. Strange enough, I like monking.
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The monk is the goalie.
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On another stereotype note, if someone uses especially bad spelling I usually assume they're very young. And if someone calls me "monk" it usually means they're going to whine if their health goes below 90% and yell to be Rebirthed in the middle of a fight. I avoid both types.
stale
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Thank you for telling me... but when I blank my friends on Guild Wars and RL I don't think they would appreciate it. Like today, my friend kept using the word "gay" as an insult... as usual. Had a go at him, said he was very sorry and... quite alarmingly... "[he] can't help it." I think that really does give an insight into society...
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granted, if you are prone to being insulted by random commentary, i can see that hurting - but honestly? suck it up. i would bet, 99.9+% of the time, it's not directed at you, but rather a random comment.
and as for the raging homophobia in general chat - that's the mix of barely pubescent folks, conservative bible thumpers, and ignorant freaks, all hiding behind the semi-anonymity of an internet connection. i really can't see why you're concerned about what these people think... insofar as you can say most of them DO think.
you can take my case - i'm a stoner, and make no effort to hide the fact. a lot of folks automatically assume i'm some unemployed, dirty, uneducated freak. the fact that they're dead wrong doesn't enter into this - it's the fact that i don't give an airborn fornication what they think.... it's not my place to point out to them their misconceptions about marijuana, and users in general, nor to educate them about the lies they've been told their whole life. if they can see nothing beyond one aspect of me as a person, they're not folks i want to deal with anyway.
and, given the fact that there's the best part of a million folks playing, finding someone else to talk to, besides the bigoted freaks, shouldn't be an issue. the ignore list is your friend, and so is a thick skin.
i'm starting to wonder who promised everyone that they'd manage to go through life without having to be offended? it's an unrealistic goal, you do realise?
Inde
Stay on topic please.
Brayolnne
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Originally Posted by stale
i'm a stoner, and make no effort to hide the fact. .... if they can see nothing beyond one aspect of me as a person, they're not folks i want to deal with anyway.
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- Forgot my destination - 3 times
- Started the run from town - 3 times (death, disconnect, wrong build)
- Changed direction 7 times (passing the same starting point)
- Got body blocked 3 times - successfully getting out only once
- Was disconnected twice
- Died once
- Had me rezon twice for him
Since then I've avoided other such obvious players. While I'm guilty of this stereotyping behavior, I think my reason is understandable. It's basically "self-defense."
Taurucis
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Since then I've avoided other such obvious players. While I'm guilty of this stereotyping behavior, I think my reason is understandable. It's basically "self-defense."
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Mexay
I've never been kicked from a guild etc for this but anyway. I'm Australian and I find that most people I talk to on GW and tell that I'm Aussie seem to have this extremely stupid idea that all Australians live in the Outback wrestling crocs and basicly have a crocodile dundee sterotype. Most Australians are the complete opisite of that sterotype. We don't all live in the outback. Infact most of Australia's population lives in either; cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Perth etc.) Suburbs etc. It's no different to any other 'wealthy' country. Yes there ARE some of us that live in the outback. But honestly I find it to be the most annoying thing when someone comes up to me on GW with the attitude that all Aussies are pretty much living a 'Crocodile Dundee' life. I get extremely angry at people when they have this attitude and I have told them that this sterotype is false and they argue with me.
eeks
Ahaha. They get the stereotypes wrong! The most offensive I can think of nowadays, is the ugg boot-wearing bogan stereotype.
Uh oh, perhaps I shouldn't have clued everyone into that.
Uh oh, perhaps I shouldn't have clued everyone into that.
Default Name
I rarely get offended, if at all. Having armor grade skin helps. I even burst out laughing at some of the nasties thrown at me in PVP. I actually find them assh*ts cute, whining and QQing like a toddler and all.
Darren Blacktail
Mexay, Being from the good old Australia, i can sympathise(sp?) with ya on that one...people can be arrogant, ive only been in this situation a few time, but seeing how i dont PuG anymore, i find it never happens anymore, people can try it in local chat but theres always people to back ya up and tell em what for.
Ok and one thats been happening to me more and more as of not long ago......being called "Emo", because of the music i listen to (Metal, Thrash Metal and so forth).....god that gets me peeved.....in the guild theres a few jokes around, whch doesnt bother me, i know their kidding and i can have a dig at them for something, whatever it is its all good fun and no-one cares, if someone is insulted we switch topic and talk bout something else, apologize and thats it.
But then ya get the guest invities and new people to the guild.....i'll be in guild hall minding own business talking and chatting, gets on to a talk about music and outta no-where, im being called Emo being told i cut my wrists and i should go die because of it (yeah their telling me how I do these things).......thats the last straw for me right there, i cant take it anymore and tell em what i think and boot em from the guild.
Theres my 2 cents
~Blacktail
Ok and one thats been happening to me more and more as of not long ago......being called "Emo", because of the music i listen to (Metal, Thrash Metal and so forth).....god that gets me peeved.....in the guild theres a few jokes around, whch doesnt bother me, i know their kidding and i can have a dig at them for something, whatever it is its all good fun and no-one cares, if someone is insulted we switch topic and talk bout something else, apologize and thats it.
But then ya get the guest invities and new people to the guild.....i'll be in guild hall minding own business talking and chatting, gets on to a talk about music and outta no-where, im being called Emo being told i cut my wrists and i should go die because of it (yeah their telling me how I do these things).......thats the last straw for me right there, i cant take it anymore and tell em what i think and boot em from the guild.
Theres my 2 cents
~Blacktail
Personette
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I've never been kicked from a guild etc for this but anyway. I'm Australian and I find that most people I talk to on GW and tell that I'm Aussie seem to have this extremely stupid idea that all Australians live in the Outback wrestling crocs and basicly have a crocodile dundee sterotype. Most Australians are the complete opisite of that sterotype. We don't all live in the outback. Infact most of Australia's population lives in either; cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Perth etc.) Suburbs etc. It's no different to any other 'wealthy' country. Yes there ARE some of us that live in the outback. But honestly I find it to be the most annoying thing when someone comes up to me on GW with the attitude that all Aussies are pretty much living a 'Crocodile Dundee' life. I get extremely angry at people when they have this attitude and I have told them that this sterotype is false and they argue with me.
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I've seen Australians complain about Crocodile Dundee a lot more often than I've heard them actually mistaken for cocky men of the bush.
Tyla
It doesn't really affect me.
The only thing that pisses me off is when I'm playing on a female character and get PM's like "Will you be my gf??" and such, these guys seriously need to get a life...
The only thing that pisses me off is when I'm playing on a female character and get PM's like "Will you be my gf??" and such, these guys seriously need to get a life...
Burst Cancel
It's interesting seeing how many people actually care about being PM'd. I generally ignore PMs from people I don't know, and if I'm in the middle of something I'm going to be /offline anyway. PM's have built-in Caller ID, in a manner of speaking, and I'm not in the habit of answering the phone unless I absolutely have to.
It's also interesting to see people's perspectives on stereotypes. Saying that stereotypes "don't work" is inaccurate, because stereotypes do work on some level. Nearly any characterization is going to have exceptions, so saying that stereotypes can't be applied to everyone is a useless observation. Consider, for instance, that much of our respected medical knowledge isn't universally applicable. We can't even get prescription drugs to work for everyone after billions of dollars of R&D investment, so how is stereotyping any worse?
I find that stereotypes work because a high proportion of people you meet will fit the stereotype. Granted, this will depend on which stereotypes you apply and what sort of basis there is for these stereotypes, but assuming that you're applying stereotypes that have some basis in fact, they are a useful predictive tool. For example, I attribute immaturity, lack of knowledge, and low skill to youths. In my experience this is actually an overwhelmingly accurate stereotype. Have there been exceptions? Absolutely, but they were an infinitesimal minority. What's more, observed over long periods (years) you can see improvement with age, which lends further empirical support to the stereotype.
In short, for a stereotype to really become unworkable, it has to be wrong a significant portion of the time. Thus, the people who live up to a stereotype merely extend its usefulness.
It's also interesting to see people's perspectives on stereotypes. Saying that stereotypes "don't work" is inaccurate, because stereotypes do work on some level. Nearly any characterization is going to have exceptions, so saying that stereotypes can't be applied to everyone is a useless observation. Consider, for instance, that much of our respected medical knowledge isn't universally applicable. We can't even get prescription drugs to work for everyone after billions of dollars of R&D investment, so how is stereotyping any worse?
I find that stereotypes work because a high proportion of people you meet will fit the stereotype. Granted, this will depend on which stereotypes you apply and what sort of basis there is for these stereotypes, but assuming that you're applying stereotypes that have some basis in fact, they are a useful predictive tool. For example, I attribute immaturity, lack of knowledge, and low skill to youths. In my experience this is actually an overwhelmingly accurate stereotype. Have there been exceptions? Absolutely, but they were an infinitesimal minority. What's more, observed over long periods (years) you can see improvement with age, which lends further empirical support to the stereotype.
In short, for a stereotype to really become unworkable, it has to be wrong a significant portion of the time. Thus, the people who live up to a stereotype merely extend its usefulness.
Fear Me!
My GW experience regarding live people is not centered around want or need, but good company is always welcome. As for religion, only one religion exists in GuildWars, and that is the religion of the six gods. As for this christianity stuffs you're talking about, I've never heard of that ingame, is that a new character class, or green? If people ingame form christian only guilds, that means other people of other religions are denied because of their rl religion, and that is a violation of the code of conduct, unless they only accept chars that follow Dwayna, like monks for example. If there are girl only guilds, then being born a guy, means you're discriminated against, and is also a violation of the code of conduct, unless they only accept female chars into their guilds. If white supremacists formed a guild, it would be the same thing, unless they only accept light skinned chars into their guild. I can only hope those who are humble enough can see where this is going. This isn't about drawing a line on telling an inferior when to stop pouring filth into your cup, its about denying all filth from the beginning.
*Gem*
I don't generally get offenened by the down right absured stereotypes because they look like an idiot, and I'm fine with that.
One thing that does make me laugh is the term 'limeys' given to the British, as I'm guessing about 99% of the people who use it don't even know where it came from and that well....it's not even offensive.
One thing that does make me laugh is the term 'limeys' given to the British, as I'm guessing about 99% of the people who use it don't even know where it came from and that well....it's not even offensive.
Master Mayhem
I joined a group to do gate of fear mission in NM and the leader kicked a monk fo having a n00b monk build, so i left after wards and invited the monk and other people. Later on the leader whispers me and tells me to invite him to the group because his pr0. He supports his answer by saying he got Fow armor and tormented gear on his warrior. I tell him i got FoW and i dont claim to be pr0 and i give n00bs a chance 
During winter last year i joined a big wellknown guild, Quite known on this forum and they claim they kick people for being racist. One day some officer starts to be racist towards muslims and the leader was online too. Majority of members of the guild started being racist towards Muslim even the leader. I whisper the leader to kick the officer who started the racist comments, but he goes 'No' because they are best friends. So i left the guild.
During winter last year i joined a big wellknown guild, Quite known on this forum and they claim they kick people for being racist. One day some officer starts to be racist towards muslims and the leader was online too. Majority of members of the guild started being racist towards Muslim even the leader. I whisper the leader to kick the officer who started the racist comments, but he goes 'No' because they are best friends. So i left the guild.
CagedinSanity
Other than mindless 11 year olds throwing racial slurs because they think they're safe, I've seen no serious forms of stereotyping. Not in RL matters, anyway.