Stereotypes and GW - How does it affect you?

Koudelka

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
Earth, you are my hero.
Everything you have said in that was completely relateable (sp?) to my experience in Guild Wars.

I was in an alliance. It was a few months of finally being out of the closet. I had to let the alliance know before something was said wrong. Well someone made a "filthy gays need to burn in hell" type of comment.
I reacted by saying "well, I'm gay. and it seems we are really good friends in this alliance." Well that friendship immediatly ended and started a war through out alliance chat. People were siding with me, and people were siding with the other guy.

The leader of our alliance said to both of us that we need to calm down and talk it out. The alliance leader said for the guy to deal with the fact that I was in the alliance and homosexual and that I needed to be calmer about someone saying stuff like that. I threated the alliance leader to leave for saying that.

I used the metaphore "If someone called a black man that he needed to go back to the plantation, you'd expect the black man to react. So why is it different for someone that is gay?" The leader still didn't get where I was coming from. I turned alliance chat off from that day on.

The alliance soon disbannded and the guild leader started a new on. I asked if I could join, but she said "you really need to keep the gay-thing on a low." I said, "I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I'm basically doing what African Americans did 30-40 years ago."

I haven't talked to that guild since...

-----another related topic-----

I also get insulted by people because I'm only 15 years old. Yes, I'm 15. That doesn't mean I act like every other 15 year old in the world.

For one, I am part of People to People - Student Ambassadors. We try to destroy the bad image of teens in America in the eyes of people of other countries. We are going to Europe this summer (France, Switzerland, Austria, and Italy) to see what life is like there, but we are also trying to follow the "destroy the bad image" at the same time.

For two, I have better morales than some 15 year olds. Some just think "sex sex sex" or "chuck norris chuck norris chuck norris" or "that's what she said... said... said" or whatever. I am not really into that. I'm into getting good grades (I have all A's currently), having a good social life - but good reputation at the same time, and have a goal of getting into college after school. I don't care about being immature. I never said I haven't ever been immature, but I really don't care about being immature. I see trying to learn spanish more interesting that trying to make people laugh by constantly using curse words and waving my middle finger into the air.
I think you're my missing twin lol!

I'm 15, had the same experiences, and what you said about morals (you did say morales actually xP) is so QFT. I'm glad I've had less problems with it personally, but now that I'm more self-aware... eugh. Like today, I was in UW, and I kept thinking "if they find out about me, who'd /ragequit first"? I need to get out of this habit fast... I use GW as an escape from my RL problems sometimes, not as a gate-way to more.

After reading this thread I think I have actually (lol) created some problems for myself. My old friend, (who I do like a lot and we always say stupid things to annoy eacher :P) was complaining about Gate of Madness, and saying how "gay" it was. I said "don't use gay as an insult ¬¬". To this he loled, and asked me if I was gay. Yeah... well... long story short I don't talk to him. It's sad actually, he acts as though he did nothing wrong... *meh*.

I also came out to my bi friend at school, and it was great actually talking to someone else in a simmilar situation in RL... you know? This thread is more important than I ever realised :P.

DarkBahamut

DarkBahamut

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Italy

Wlpr

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract
Stereotypes affect me in my GW play only when I enter AB and find I've been teamed-up with French or Italians. /resign is what ensues.

I have, however, given them all a benefit of a doubt on many occasions. Still, they haven't proven the stereotype wrong.
Just a question, what do Italians do for getting this bad reputation? :P

Dallcingi

Dallcingi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

The Black Parades [死人死]

Mo/

We all know koreans are 1337 hahaha.
ACtually I haven't really run into stereotypes in game probably cause we do not discuss each others private business (race gender etc...) maybe just geographic location thats it.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

E/

stereo types dont really effect me in game. Unless i feel like messing with a scrub guild by joining and doing gansta rap for 5 min before getting kicked<_<
only did that once and that was to my friends old guild of metal heads. It was totally worth it

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

If you don't want to be stereotyped against then simply don't interact with people. I don't unless I'm doing a mission and my interaction usually stays focused towards what to do next. If you're standing in an outpost discussing with people about topics like politics, religion, and racism then expect to be the target of bigotry.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

I myself get pretty offended by racist remarks in-game. The N-word and "faggot" (no red engine?) among many others are very painful and hurtful words, no matter where you use them.

Regarding my personal and discriminative in-game experiences, I've had very few. Aside from worthless assholes making lame-ass racist/sexist/bigotist jokes, a guy on my friends list stopped talking to me when I told him my mom was gay. One of my favorite experiences, though, was seeing a guy preach masochism in ACD1 two weeks ago. /report Player Name, 15 mins later he's off line. Haven't seen him come on since >: )

It was also pretty amusing seeing people qq about "all those damn Koreans" in RA and TA. It wasn't the Korean part that was funny, but the huge waterfall of tears.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky naughty
If you don't want to be stereotyped against then simply don't interact with people. I don't unless I'm doing a mission and my interaction usually stays focused towards what to do next. If you're standing in an outpost discussing with people about topics like politics, religion, and racism then expect to be the target of bigotry.
That's the problem; this is an online RPG. Online means that, at some point, you're expected to interact with others. If I wanted to play on my own I'd still be playing console games... and in fact, sometimes I do wish to play on my own. I don't play much when my friends aren't online - I don't care if they are with me in the team, I can easily do stuff with heroes/henchies. This afternoon, I was vanquishing with H/H and 4 others were in a dungeon; now they had stuff to discuss between the three of them so I'm gonna go watch a movie with my husband while checking the comp every now and then.

Oh and of course I kinda went off-topic, as usual, but I shouldn't have to hide who I am to anyone. I deal with people who are different, why couldn't they? I might not be religious but I'll respect people who are... as long as they respect me.

Adam of Tyria

Adam of Tyria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surena
So you have enough time for your social life but not a few bucks to get a mic? Something's very wrong.
\

Because I don't work? I'm not old enough?

COMPLICATED

wanmoke

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

In the land of Do Not Disturb

Wind Riders

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky naughty
If you don't want to be stereotyped against then simply don't interact with people. I don't unless I'm doing a mission and my interaction usually stays focused towards what to do next. If you're standing in an outpost discussing with people about topics like politics, religion, and racism then expect to be the target of bigotry.
That's an example of a close-minded opinion. As the OP said, this is an online RPG. The idea is to interact with other people. The ideal is that just like in real life, most people will respect others for their beliefs. On the internet it rarely happens, because the anonymity aspect is there. You don't know who the other person is, so there's little chance of repercussion.

Me, I don't care what you believe, what your sexual orientation is, gender, it just doesn't matter. As long as you act like a decent person, I'll respect you.

DivineEnvoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/P

Guess my case is rather unique; I used to be racist against white people, because my race was often being picked on in this school I used to attend to. Although I do not express any hatred or discrimination to white people while I play the game or interact with any of them in real life, when it comes down to a conflict I have with them, I usually don't care to find a solution to these conflicts and just end the companionship I have. However, after playing Guild Wars for 33 months now, I have met some very friendly people who are white, and I guess after these time we shared together, I'm no longer racist. After reading this thread, I guess I am quite lucky to experience something like this.

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
Guess my case is rather unique; I used to be racist against white people, because my race was often being picked on in this school I used to attend to. Although I do not express any hatred or discrimination to white people while I play the game or interact with any of them in real life, when it comes down to a conflict I have with them, I usually don't care to find a solution to these conflicts and just end the companionship I have. However, after playing Guild Wars for 33 months now, I have met some very friendly people who are white, and I guess after these time we shared together, I'm no longer racist. After reading this thread, I guess I am quite lucky to experience something like this.
A pretty good portion of the game is white. Most of the nice people AND most of the idiots are in fact white.

stale

stale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

canada

Bong Wielding Maniacs

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatile
(snip) the "I'm engaged" card (unofficially, though, we don't have the money for it, but I have the ring on my right hand ).
congratulations, btw!

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

iono most of the pvp players ive encountered so far are asian.

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

Thanks Stale ^.^

Rexion, sounds like that old guild leader in the Alliance was a closet homophobe; she probably tried to reason that if you were 'discreet' then there wouldn't be conflict (a disgusting turn of mind really).

On that note, I wonder how many people have been kicked from guilds for being homophobic and racist? A lot, I'm guessing. Some of them prossibly felt highly insulted. Eh, no loss to the world for ignoring them though.

*quitely shuts On Liberty* Shush.

Also, Earth: <3 I remembered that you were younger than you appear, but I didn't realise how young. Should I get you present?

Brayolnne

Brayolnne

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusandaa
That's the problem; this is an online RPG. Online means that, at some point, you're expected to interact with others. If I wanted to play on my own I'd still be playing console games... 8< SNIP
Excellent comment.

How many players remember, at Prophecies' release, the emphasis to join PUGs to complete quests and missions? We didn't always like joining PUGs, but some times it could not be avoided. Today, PUGs are worse then before. While the player's knowledge of game mechanics has increased, the player's attitudes and opinions have gotten worse.

I'm not expecting to get along with everyone. Nor everyone to get along with me. But I think part of the reason this game is at it's current, almost anti-social state, is due to the negative inter-action between players. Such as the material being discussed in this topic. Who needs the hassle... meh.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkBahamut
Just a question, what do Italians do for getting this bad reputation? :P
They suck.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brayolnne
Excellent comment.

How many players remember, at Prophecies' release, the emphasis to join PUGs to complete quests and missions? We didn't always like joining PUGs, but some times it could not be avoided. Today, PUGs are worse then before. While the player's knowledge of game mechanics has increased, the player's attitudes and opinions have gotten worse.
I do. I started GW in July 2005, so nearly 3 years of gameplay. Maybe the community was more mature back then... but the "bad" PUG changed from: "good-natured player but sucks" to "awful personality, awful player..." most likely over time, or around Factions at least.

Quote:
I'm not expecting to get along with everyone. Nor everyone to get along with me. But I think part of the reason this game is at it's current, almost anti-social state, is due to the negative inter-action between players. Such as the material being discussed in this topic. Who needs the hassle... meh.
I don't get along with everyone given I have a fiery, alpha male kinda personality. I'm not some evil dictator and people seem to have fun teaming up with me 'cause I crack jokes and I talk a lot, but another portion will hate me for telling them how to do something. And introduce another alpha male in the team, both of us are going to try to prove they're better or at least equal than the other... it's not always easy teaming up with me :P. But if I don't the area, by all means, take the lead and I'll follow. So much for the typical gay stereotype eh? x]

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusandaa
I have a fiery, alpha male kinda personality... [P]eople seem to have fun teaming up with me 'cause I crack jokes and I talk a lot
You may be one of the exceptions, but generally people who behave this way are quite tiresome. Their jokes are never funny, and their banter is always inane. The only people I tolerate these traits in are in those who are directly responsible for signing my paychecks, and those whose pants I am trying to get into. Needless to say, random strangers in a game are neither.

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
iono most of the pvp players ive encountered so far are asian.
I'm Asian (well, more like Asian-American you could say), and I try not to touch PvP with a 50-foot pole.

The faster humanity can see someone's identity, instead of their race/gender/beliefs, the faster racism/sexism/anything-ism will die out.

The OP isn't a bossy know-it-all, by the way. "Alpha Male" isn't how I'd describe him, he's more of a "I'll lead, unless one of you can do it better than I can" kind of person to me. He's nothing like an Onyxia Wipe group leader (if you don't know what that is, go to youtube and search for "Onyxia Wipe Animation") - he doesn't order the team around like slaves, he knows when he's at fault and doesn't throw blame around. His banter is not inane, anyhow.

See, that's the problems with stereotypes and archetypes. You say that you're something (for example, I say I'm Asian, and someone thinks that I'm a cute, preppy girl who loves anime, plays PvP, and uses chopsticks frequently) and people get a mental description of you that sort of "sticks" until they either shrug you off, or get to know you better.

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkBahamut
Just a question, what do Italians do for getting this bad reputation? :P
I'm french.. I really don't see what that has to do with ab.. if you are complaining about the fact that we speak french... deal with it.. its not as if you need to understand if we are talking to our friends.

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatile
Also, Earth: <3 I remembered that you were younger than you appear, but I didn't realise how young. Should I get you present?
Really? I don't really remember you to be honest And I'm not sure if I've ever said how old I am on guru, except yesterday

Pretty sure if you tell me how you know how you remember how young I am, I'll remember. My memory is pretty bad when it comes to the internet

So yeah... No need for presents I no longer play anyway

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Never been discriminated out of a Guild. I myself now own a guild (20 members, PvP based) and I'm not ashamed to tell people I have already refused douzans of people for NOT speaking English...

Cba reading the intire topic, so this will probably have been said before, but there is good discrimination and bad one...

E.G: Someone who doesn't speak English in a PvP-guild where the tactics (on vent) are being called in English shouldn't be in that Guild.
However, someone who CAN speak English, but is Spanish (Origin) who isn't allowed in such a Guild is in fact bad discrimination.

Then again, I am for 100% Freedom of Speech (Freedom of "acts", whatever ). If someone wants to make a Nazi guild, it's their choice. If someone wants to run down the streets screaming racists remarks, that's his choice...

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

It doesn't effect me.... but it does effect the noob sword wammos and R/D i make fun of in the game.

Kuhr

Kuhr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Somewhere between the gutter and the stars.

Wild Rovers [WR]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cellardweller
My guild is both racist (Aus/NZ only) and Agist (30+) - we find that subscribing to these prejudices eliminates every other social problem commonly found in online communities.
That has nothing to do with race. That's nationalist.

Perhaps your guild should also be "under average intelligenceist".

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuhr
That has nothing to do with race. That's nationalist.

Perhaps your guild should also be "under average intelligenceist".
Why?

Having such stipulations makes for a better guild.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuhr
That has nothing to do with race. That's nationalist.

Perhaps your guild should also be "under average intelligenceist".
Erm... doesn't mean they're less intelligent? Quite the opposite... and here goes why.

I've always seen guilds as a group of people who have common goals or common interests. A typical interest is your country, ethnicity - I've seen several Polish, Spanish and Quebecer guilds, nothing wrong with it. I don't mind Christian or Islam guilds either. Because this is an online game; it's so much easier to team up with people you RELATE to than total strangers (PUGs). PvE guilds, PvP guilds, Italian or Greek guilds... no big difference to me. It's all a buncha people who have similar interests/goals and IMHO, it's what's important.

Over a year ago I saw a GLBT guild recruiting. I found it interesting and almost PMed the recruiter before thinking "wait. I don't know these guys, I'm not gonna join 'em... who knows if I'll even get along with them?" Even though I'm part of the community doesn't mean we'll have something else in common in this game. I've always wanted a PvE guild, I had one I didn't wanna leave, and I wouldn't leave my current one for a GLBT-only guild.

Brayolnne

Brayolnne

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusandaa
PUG changed from: "good-natured player but sucks" to "awful personality, awful player..."
This is absolutely the truth. I consider myself to be slightly better than the "good natured, but sucks" player. I'm mediocre at builds and find farming boring but necessary. I started playing before you (May 05) but was offline for about 18 months. So you've definitely gotten farther in the various games than I have. Since coming back I've been trying to catch-up, but I'm not as aggressive a player (a beta, if you will).

During Factions I had to create my own guild in self-defense from the barrage of recruiters trying to get me to join up. I'm still the only guild member. Not because I don't want a guild - but because I don't want the drama or problems everyone has already mentioned. I want to play, chat and enjoy myself. Not /ragequit.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

I think the most stereotypes affect me in GW is that I think all dutch people are rude and egotistical.

Or maybe there's this really popular dutch band called "Kut & Jammer", and that's what every dutch person is talking about. Who knows.

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
I think the most stereotypes affect me in GW is that I think all dutch people are rude and egotistical.

Or maybe there's this really popular dutch band called "Kut & Jammer", and that's what every dutch person is talking about. Who knows.
I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

Age discrimination.

I'm approaching 15 but still get this all the time. Most people say that I'm much more mature than your average teenager. It's true, I've been complemented on eloquent speaking and have won numerous awards - and have generally always been an A student. I have a fair sense of morality and do not like to talk about stupid things like gossip, etcetera.

When I first began playing GW in 2005 I must have been, hmm...12? 13? I was still as mature, and despite this, the adults in my guild found some excuse to exclude me from things.

In fact, one officer, whom I despise and continue to, I remember would say things like "it's 8PM, time for little eldin to take his bath" and was amazed at me staying up past 9PM. I was 12/13 at the time, not six. Some people are just incredibly closed minded and their image of someone under 18 has clearly not updated as the generations and paradigm shifts went on.

In the olden days I'd say GW's community was a bit nicer, probably since GW had yet to carve its name in the Hall of Gaming, and most people playing it were people seeking a new experience. When GW gained notoriety (I blame the multi campaign setup, which gave GW way too much publicity than it needed), all the characters we could do without migrated from WoW and whatnot here.

Face it, GW society has degraded over time, there's nothing we can do except try to preserve our own mentality.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aubray1741
I actually find that the women that play GWs are much more mature and witty than most other players.
Though it's been proven that the amount of women gamers is close to the amount of male gamers, I'd agree with you on this one. Every female I've met who plays GW has been very funny and friendly, much moreso than males.

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

Random Koreans usually always rape me in HA. So i guess that's the only stereotype i have. I don't go blabbing my personal life to others online, because i know when other people do it to me i certainly do not give a damn, so i can't really say i've been stereotyped in-game.

One thing that is not too closely tied to stereotypical behavior is age. If you're 12, you're gonna sound like a 12 year old, everybody is going to know it, and deserve whatever's coming to you. If you've been on the internet long enough you don't need to ask --it's not even assuming-- you just know.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

I loaded ToA with my monk, hoping to find a FoW group until my friends logged on, and I spotted a guy reminding his team that they needed one tank for FoW, but the group had like 2 already apparently. Since it was in local, thought I'd give my input and said "y'know, you don't -need- a tank for FoW anyways", that you can kite and whatnot. A random guy starts arguing with me, asking me if people wanted to run around (lol...) in groups.

At some point, I didn't understand what he had said because he used horrible grammar, and proceeded to call me a nerd for saying "well I'd have understood what you just said if you had decent English".

He went from calling me a nerd (heh) to calling me gay (haha) to assuming random stuff about me and "nerds", saying that they were corrupted and that they ran the government. When I said "someone is sour about the gov >_>", he said "well someone knows ur government". So I asked him about which government I was on, and he assumed French after 3 minutes because apparently, I was "hiding" (WTF...). But I'm Canadian and when I replied, he said something along the lines of "i knew it, no wonder why ur a pussy". It stopped when I told him that I had nothing to hide, that if I wanted to hide I'd have either stopped replying even to PMs (if he had PMed me), left the district or simply ignored him. But I didn't do either, so... gg.

So that kinda got me thinking. So this guy assumed I was a pussy for being a Canadian, and a nerd for liking good English (that we didn't even need in game, according to him... but he did call himself an idiot, I swear)? He didn't know me at all. For all I care and all he knew, I could've been British, Indian... doesn't mean I'm a wuss anyways >_>.

During the whole thing I wasn't even angry, just really amused on what this guy forged about me and literally believed it just based on how he interpreted the stuff I said. Way to spend a Saturday morning huh? x]

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

Nice Saturday morning Kusandaa, better than mine (bloody rampant consumerism! Grah!); reminds me that I've come across and been involved in, the same sort of thing. I don't remember them seeing as they're not all that important (and I have a bad memory anyway), but I don't remember the feelings of slight annoyance and bemusment. Far better than being angry.

Canadians as pussies? You gus have legal gay marriage, nothing 'pussy' about that, that's freaking brave considering everything that goes on in this world (I think Civil Partnerships need to be the state non-religious equivalent to Marriage, with all same rights and benefits).

Besides, we all know soccer/football players are the real pussies: Oh noes! I have fallen and cannot get up! Quick fetch the magic sponge!

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatile
Canadians as pussies? You gus have legal gay marriage, nothing 'pussy' about that, that's freaking brave considering everything that goes on in this world (I think Civil Partnerships need to be the state non-religious equivalent to Marriage, with all same rights and benefits).

Besides, we all know soccer/football players are the real pussies: Oh noes! I have fallen and cannot get up! Quick fetch the magic sponge!
I don't understand why he thought Canadians were pussies, I just don't get it... *shrug*. I should've told him how the French-speaking Higher-Canada (my history classes were in French, approx. translation from Haut-Canada... what Quebec was before being called Quebec) reacted when the English came and tried assimilating them, lol... to whoever didn't get Canada History classes, it wasn't pretty... x];;...

And anyways, let's say that if most WERE (note that this is an meant as possibility, and not a fact O_o) pussies, wouldn't mean everyone is. Thus stereotyping it all =_=.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

One thing I was thinking about when it comes to American and Gay Marriage...

Religion isn't supposed to be involved in the government, but it is when it comes to Civil Partnerships between the same sex. Religion is totally controlling the government for this topic BECAUSE it seems only the churchs won't allow it.

So much for coming to America for "Freedom" when the UK has legalized what a lot of people want first.

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

Yeah Rexion, America seems to hold a double-standard on that (or at least their politicians do, sorry my US-friends but they do (supposedly) represent you), which is quite...

Insulting? Sickening? Stubborn? (other)?
Pick one, I don't care which.

The UK's alright with Civil Partnerships (I'd like to see more equailty between the two unions though), but I'd have to say South Africa and Canada did it well.

Really if an agnostic and an atheist can have a marriage, why can't two religious homosexuals? Double-standards, but no entendres

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

I stereotype euro's with lag since I live in NA
thus no joining euro guilds for me

br0thergr1m

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Dallas

{Shepherds Of Silence}

Rt/R

I dont understand the reason to share such touchy topics with anyone online.

I dont care if you're black, white...gay, straight....christian, muslim... and quite frankly why do I (or anyone else) need to know this. I'm in a guild we have fun, we are good friends, I do PUG. No one online knows anything about me...nor do i feel the need to share anything with them. I treat GW as a game, and sure...youre gonna come across some rude people that is a fact of life. The more you open yourself up online the more chances you are going to get burned. Lots of brave people sit behind computers remember.

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

BrotherGrim, have you been reading much of this thread? Personal details can be guessed at by the most inane of comments, or even just by how someone acts. Also, many of see no reason to lie about who we are, so if asked a direct question ('Are you a girl?' for example) we'll respond with a direct answer ('Yes.); not to mention that the way some people use words can be found offensive and those who are offended speak out (read back a bit).

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

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Originally Posted by br0thergr1m
I dont understand the reason to share such touchy topics with anyone online.
Because IMHO it's an issue that needs to be addressed to the community. A lot of those "issues" are sparked up by idle conversations, and not direct sharing. I shouldn't have to deal with people leaving a group simply because there's a guy that mentionned having to go to pray 'cause he's Mulsim, and some the other guy hates them so much.

It's an online game. I'm not playing this to play on my own. Plus it's not most groups that will have leavers 'cause of personal issues, but you're not me. You don't have people leaving when you say "brb husband needs help with something". You don't have people calling you a terrorist every 10 seconds 'cause you're from Middle-Eastern countries (I've seen it...). Or making fun of you 'cause you're Jew (seen it too). Well, things like that spark up within idle convos. You can simply leave HINTS of your RL stuff and people will hate you for it.

Example of idle convo in a long farming run... :

Guy #1: brb food, wife made BBQ ribs!
Guy #2: gg my wife doesn't cook, I do it all! D=
Guy #3: I don't have a wife, lol. must be good to come back and food's on the table ):
Me: I can't cook to save my life, so my husband does most of the cooking... I BURN WATER... COME ON!!!
Guy #2: you a girl?
Me: No, I'm a gay male o.o.
Guy #3: lol, cool
Guy #2: OMFG UR GAY, UR SICK DUDE...
Me: ...
Guy #2: WOW UR SICK, UR SINNING MAN!!! EW!!!
Me: dude, shut up and kill stuff >_>
Guy #2: UR GAY EEEW... U SICK ****...


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I treat GW as a game, and sure...youre gonna come across some rude people that is a fact of life. The more you open yourself up online the more chances you are going to get burned. Lots of brave people sit behind computers remember.
It's a game for me, but as I've stated before, you deal with people. And whether people like it or not, anywhere people are present, there's gonna be feelings, let's face it.

This thread was basically to sensiblize (sp? is it even a word? O_o) the community to social RL problems transposed to a game. Some people aren't able to let go of stereotypes their hear IRL and are ready to insult and hunt ya down, in-game, for IRL stuff that doesn't even affect them.