Stereotypes and GW - How does it affect you?
Surena
If I use a German Name in RA all these autopilot failures call me a Nazi. I once had a funny screenshot collection of various name-callings. The best one was one English guy who just had to tell me (after getting killed and losing) for half an hour how England's contribution in WW2 lead to Nazi Germany's downfall. That's a pretty gory engine he had there in his head.
If people hear that there are girls in my guild (or meet them during playing) they automatically either assume that they are fat and ugly or they think they can somehow take over with free candy (ectos, runs). What follows is a submissive plea to join the guild.
On the other hand I disdain exploitation of nerds (no offense, I have excellent people here at work) by playing pretty princess on the internet.
If people hear that there are girls in my guild (or meet them during playing) they automatically either assume that they are fat and ugly or they think they can somehow take over with free candy (ectos, runs). What follows is a submissive plea to join the guild.
On the other hand I disdain exploitation of nerds (no offense, I have excellent people here at work) by playing pretty princess on the internet.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Tatile
Personally I presume them to take fun in insulting anyone who knows English either as a primary or secondary language. Need I explain why it's insulting? I think not.
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When I see a "CN I C DIS WEAPON PLZZZZZZZZZ???" I just can't help but think of a kid begging for a toy. The worse is that I have kids around to compare, these days! My nephews are around, one is 5, one is 3. In English, if he wants something, it's going go to be a "pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase???". And I compare it with "PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" which sounds as insisting...
In our alliance, we have a very similar mindset about language. If you wanna make fun of someone and let them know you're not serious at all, use netspeak. "LOLOLOLOLOL U NUB GTFO". No one's gonna take you seriously and you'll get laughs and similar replies. "IM NOT A NUB I HAZ MENDING".
At this rate I'm gonna edit all my posts with wall of texts, but I promise this edit is gonna be short.
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Originally Posted by Surena
If I use a German Name in RA all these autopilot failures call me a Nazi. I once had a funny screenshot collection of various name-callings. The best one was one English guy who just had to tell me (after getting killed and losing) for half an hour how England's contribution in WW2 lead to Nazi Germany's downfall. That's a pretty gory engine he had there in his head.
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Tatile
Nice Alliance there Kusandaa (needless to say I'm jealous, what with having a very small online friendship circle ). It's easy to make typos, whether you're tired or not, and for that allowances should be made.
The constant 'plz, pls, plx' and what-not is annoying and implies idiocy. The person may not be an idiot, but I'll view them as one for that sort of language (just like excessive swearing). If I'm in a rush, I use thus rather than therefore (:3 I'm smart, lulz) or w/ instead of with, but only around guildies. As general rule, proper grammar or the closest thing to it, is good.
On a side note I really should learn Afrikaans, what with being half-SA and everything.
Stereotype of yesterday: You're smart and really good at writing essays, so why do you suck at exams Tatile? Why do have an 'E' in Media Studies of all things? You're smart!
I'll let you figure out the reason here.
The constant 'plz, pls, plx' and what-not is annoying and implies idiocy. The person may not be an idiot, but I'll view them as one for that sort of language (just like excessive swearing). If I'm in a rush, I use thus rather than therefore (:3 I'm smart, lulz) or w/ instead of with, but only around guildies. As general rule, proper grammar or the closest thing to it, is good.
On a side note I really should learn Afrikaans, what with being half-SA and everything.
Stereotype of yesterday: You're smart and really good at writing essays, so why do you suck at exams Tatile? Why do have an 'E' in Media Studies of all things? You're smart!
I'll let you figure out the reason here.
Velise_Snowtorm
Just echoing what other female gamers have said...
Many other players assume that girls don't exist on the net, or if they do, they either: 1. assume you are some ugly fat nerd chick, or 2. perfectly available to hit on or make sexual remarks to.
I don't post my RL pics on any forum, and the only Vent server I will ever log onto is my guild's server. I had it up to my eyeballs when I used to log onto a Vent/TS server for a PuG and get hit with "OMG a girl!" or "You sound hot, where do you live?" or far worse...
I play the game with my boyfriend (of 5 years). Even if I were 'available', I am not interested in meeting guys online.
Many other players assume that girls don't exist on the net, or if they do, they either: 1. assume you are some ugly fat nerd chick, or 2. perfectly available to hit on or make sexual remarks to.
I don't post my RL pics on any forum, and the only Vent server I will ever log onto is my guild's server. I had it up to my eyeballs when I used to log onto a Vent/TS server for a PuG and get hit with "OMG a girl!" or "You sound hot, where do you live?" or far worse...
I play the game with my boyfriend (of 5 years). Even if I were 'available', I am not interested in meeting guys online.
Terra Xin
Stereotypes and Guild Wars is equal to Local Chat and Off.
naughteblonde
Another girl echoing some of the sentiments here.
I think it may be a lack of reaility in recognising that the pixels on the screen are not actually me in person. Unfortunately for the that means that Im not a 6ft blonde ele in scanty armor. I could be an 80yr old bloke in a gimp mask. Heck 80yr old blokes in gimp masks should be able to play 6ft blonde eles if they want. My character is simply how I interact with the game and will not tell you everything about me in one glance.
There is also the misconception among that group that any female playing must either be unnattractive in some form or free sport. The idea that I, as a girl, have bought GW to play the game and not to strip/dance/cyber/be their online gf seems a completely foreign concept. How can I not be either an overweight nerd who is desperately searching for someone just like them or an eager semi porn star with a webcam?
If Ive failed to meet their absurd fantasy usually abuse will shortly follow.
As a result Im in a guild with a total number of 2 members - me and my OH.
Its a pity that those sort of players sour the experience for so many as there are players who are willing to see that the pixels on the screen arent the be all and end all of the player themselves and that sort of player makes this game worthwhile.
I think it may be a lack of reaility in recognising that the pixels on the screen are not actually me in person. Unfortunately for the that means that Im not a 6ft blonde ele in scanty armor. I could be an 80yr old bloke in a gimp mask. Heck 80yr old blokes in gimp masks should be able to play 6ft blonde eles if they want. My character is simply how I interact with the game and will not tell you everything about me in one glance.
There is also the misconception among that group that any female playing must either be unnattractive in some form or free sport. The idea that I, as a girl, have bought GW to play the game and not to strip/dance/cyber/be their online gf seems a completely foreign concept. How can I not be either an overweight nerd who is desperately searching for someone just like them or an eager semi porn star with a webcam?
If Ive failed to meet their absurd fantasy usually abuse will shortly follow.
As a result Im in a guild with a total number of 2 members - me and my OH.
Its a pity that those sort of players sour the experience for so many as there are players who are willing to see that the pixels on the screen arent the be all and end all of the player themselves and that sort of player makes this game worthwhile.
Shikaru
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
I assume that all girls are bad at warrior.
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Esan
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Originally Posted by naughteblonde
The idea that I, as a girl, have bought GW to play the game and not to strip/dance/cyber/be their online gf seems a completely foreign concept.
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naughteblonde
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Originally Posted by Esan
You are exaggerating. There are many guilds that aren't an endless sausage fest. Some prominent ones are even led by "girl"s. I would recommend trying out the guild recruitment boards here on Guru.
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Enough 'Ur hot! Wanna cyber?'s and it seems less hassle to stay insular than getting an earful of abuse everytime you refuse to have online sex with whoever propositions you.
Taurucis
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Originally Posted by Shikaru
QFT, and I'm assuming this is pertaining to PvP? I have never seen a good female warrior/caller in an organized pvp group before
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Malice Black
I personally don't care about peoples sex/sexual orientation/race/religion etc etc
As long as they are willing to get a long with everyone etc I'm happy. People who whine about swearing etc are annoying though. People who preach over guild chat get the boot (religion belongs in church)
As long as they are willing to get a long with everyone etc I'm happy. People who whine about swearing etc are annoying though. People who preach over guild chat get the boot (religion belongs in church)
Tatile
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
This is the kind of stereotypes that female GW players have to put up with. People think that we can't play GW just because we're female.
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Then again female stereotyping is rampant within society whether people want to admit it or not. Look at all the pink trash flogged at the ever younger market. Curling tongs, straightners, make-up; it all portrays women as being shallow, vapid individuals.
Okies, rant over. People suck in general, not matter what Persons can be great, but people suck.
cosyfiep
oh yeah, another lady here....yep been hit on soo many times.. until
they find out I am married (been with the same guy since Reagan was president of the usa)....and that I wont go on vent (uhm, when I made my computer I didnt include useless things like a mic, sorry.)....and I wont dance (my male monk looks very funny dancing for people--- ).
I choose to play both male and female characters, I didnt like any of the choices for monk when I first started so my monk is a guy....and I have a male rit as well (he is cute )....
I have found quite a few ladies playing the game and have added many of them to my friends list. (and yes I have a warrior and its female!---the male choices again, were butt ughly--though made my hubby make one when we first started playing .)
they find out I am married (been with the same guy since Reagan was president of the usa)....and that I wont go on vent (uhm, when I made my computer I didnt include useless things like a mic, sorry.)....and I wont dance (my male monk looks very funny dancing for people--- ).
I choose to play both male and female characters, I didnt like any of the choices for monk when I first started so my monk is a guy....and I have a male rit as well (he is cute )....
I have found quite a few ladies playing the game and have added many of them to my friends list. (and yes I have a warrior and its female!---the male choices again, were butt ughly--though made my hubby make one when we first started playing .)
Mr. G
I must admit (despite my terrible use of it) I HATE abuse of the English language, I dont mind people with their little quirks (I tend to say 'lo indstead of hello)
"U" instead of "You" i can also deal with
but if its "waz" instead of "was"...I guess I'll never get it, its not even shorter so why not spell it correctly
The only time i tend to speak like that is when im layering on sarcasm with a spatula
"U" instead of "You" i can also deal with
but if its "waz" instead of "was"...I guess I'll never get it, its not even shorter so why not spell it correctly
The only time i tend to speak like that is when im layering on sarcasm with a spatula
RedNova88
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Originally Posted by Shikaru
QFT, and I'm assuming this is pertaining to PvP? I have never seen a good female warrior/caller in an organized pvp group before
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creelie
Every once in a while (not often anymore since I really don't play in PUGs) someone will whisper me asking if I'm a girl in RL. I usually tell them I'm a 400-pound bald man covered in cheese dust and playing in his underwear.
Res Ipsi
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Originally Posted by cosyfiep
I choose to play both male and female characters, I didnt like any of the choices for monk when I first started so my monk is a guy....and I have a male rit as well (he is cute ).... |
Nightmares Hammer
I once got kicked from a guild for being Scottish...
Funnily enough, the guy who kicked me was English. (just sayin' )
Funnily enough, the guy who kicked me was English. (just sayin' )
phan
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
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Taurucis
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Originally Posted by phan
Don't tell them your a girl ; end of story
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Lord Tetsu
I figured mostly the people that swear like crazy are people who neever played b4
like if u know gw and played it for a while and have a leet char and dont wnana get it banned u wont do stpid stuff.
like my bro wanted to play so i let him te first 10seconds he sword like 7 times
like if u know gw and played it for a while and have a leet char and dont wnana get it banned u wont do stpid stuff.
like my bro wanted to play so i let him te first 10seconds he sword like 7 times
llsektorll
steep learning curve in gw... just make friends fast... or clone builds...
but i mean come on ..... Signet of Midnight Warrior... seriously WTF?
but i mean come on ..... Signet of Midnight Warrior... seriously WTF?
Tatile
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Originally Posted by phan
Don't tell them your a girl ; end of story
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Evaine
Truthfully, when I’m playing the game I don’t want to know anyone’s sexual preference, religious affiliation, or political beliefs. I‘m not even particularly interested in knowing your age or gender. I don’t even know how this stuff comes up in the course of playing a game. Why would someone getting ready to do a mission, a quest, or vanquish an area even mention any of that stuff? How does it relate to the task at hand?
Sharing that kind of personal information is OK within your guild I guess, but I personally wouldn‘t be interested in reading about any of it
On a side note, I found the original post - What to do with hard insults? - sited by the OP to be somewhat questionable for a number of reasons. But it was provocative.
And finally … yes real life stereotypes do affect me in the game - or at least one does. I don’t like beggars or people asking for handouts in real life and I don’t like them in the game either. Low-life is low-life.
Sharing that kind of personal information is OK within your guild I guess, but I personally wouldn‘t be interested in reading about any of it
On a side note, I found the original post - What to do with hard insults? - sited by the OP to be somewhat questionable for a number of reasons. But it was provocative.
And finally … yes real life stereotypes do affect me in the game - or at least one does. I don’t like beggars or people asking for handouts in real life and I don’t like them in the game either. Low-life is low-life.
Tiny Killer
Most potential problems seem to vanish just by turning off local.
naughteblonde
Wonderful world we live in where we have to hide to prevent being victimised rather than actually dealing with the person who is doing the abusing.
The situation cant improve until we look at the attitudes that requires the victim to compensate or take responsibility for the attacker.
Nobody deserves to be targetted for any kind of abuse regardless of sex, sexuality, race, religion, disability or age nor should they be required to admit a fault in not hiding those facts if they are a victim of abuse due to them.
Unfortunately it seems that the game will reflect RL in this case.
The situation cant improve until we look at the attitudes that requires the victim to compensate or take responsibility for the attacker.
Nobody deserves to be targetted for any kind of abuse regardless of sex, sexuality, race, religion, disability or age nor should they be required to admit a fault in not hiding those facts if they are a victim of abuse due to them.
Unfortunately it seems that the game will reflect RL in this case.
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
yes... i get this all the time. i wear my r5 KoaBD title and people actually go out of their way to pm me and say "wow... grats on your title. it must suck to have no life" ...i mean... WTF!? people always jump all over others when they have something they will NEVER have. so... imo.. don't judge a book by it's cover (ESPECIALLY on a GAME where you have NO idea who the other person is).
titles have been out for how long now? 1 year+ ?? i mean...c'mon!! seriously!! think about it!! when i got legendary vanq, i did 2 zones a day (which took roughly 2 hours - 2 1/2 hours tops) and 4-6 on my off day from work. so... how does me having such reputable titles = me no life?? if i spread my titles out over the course of a month+ how is that "no life" ?? let's take another title i have as an example: savior of the kurzicks. i did roughly 50k a day on my work days and ~100k on my off day (every 10k would take ROUGHLY 33 minutes for 50k, and rougly 6 1/2 hours for 100k) and got it over the course of THREE AND A HALF MONTHS. so... how is 3 1/3 hours a day of hFF over the course of 3 1/2 long months = me having "no life"?? i would quite LOVE to see if anyone could ever answer these questions for me. |
well it is kinda nerdy to play 2-4 hours a day.
i can get that on weekends when i have no swim meets or waterpolo tournaments, our when my GF quits f-in buggin me!
but remember
rl>Gw
flclisgreat
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
but remember
GW>rl |
there is no ignore button in real life and you cant just close it out if you get mad. so GW>rl
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Tatile
I, we, shouldn't have to hide our gender to avoid harrasment. People have to grow up and, in some cases, shut up. Though it is the sad truth that some do hide to avoid the offers to cyber or to avoid misogny
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Tatile
I don't hide my gender, nor do I openly advertise it. If someone asks, then I answer truthfully.
Truth be told, it hardly ever comes up. If I'm PuG'ing I get to the matter at hand, whether it be running screaming from a hoarde of rampaging spiders or just randomly murdering everything in sight. The only times I've ever been asked my gender are when I was in Spamadan trying to get rid (read = sell) stuff; any offers of cyber sex, or general annoying questions, are easily pre-emtively removed by dropping the "I'm engaged" card (unofficially, though, we don't have the money for it, but I have the ring on my right hand ).
Truth be told, it hardly ever comes up. If I'm PuG'ing I get to the matter at hand, whether it be running screaming from a hoarde of rampaging spiders or just randomly murdering everything in sight. The only times I've ever been asked my gender are when I was in Spamadan trying to get rid (read = sell) stuff; any offers of cyber sex, or general annoying questions, are easily pre-emtively removed by dropping the "I'm engaged" card (unofficially, though, we don't have the money for it, but I have the ring on my right hand ).
Krispera
I'm pretty open in my guild, we are together since the beggining. Just go in RA or AB local chat district 1, you can see all kind of things...
Yes it affects me how people are retarded in game. It's not because you are behind a computer that you are powerful and can do whatever you want. IMO, they are weak and insecure people in RL.
I'm surprised by the number of LBGTA people in Guildwars, it's nice to know that you are not alone.
IG is RL x 100.
Yes it affects me how people are retarded in game. It's not because you are behind a computer that you are powerful and can do whatever you want. IMO, they are weak and insecure people in RL.
I'm surprised by the number of LBGTA people in Guildwars, it's nice to know that you are not alone.
IG is RL x 100.
Biostem
I'm a little confused - how do these topics come up? You would have to volunteer information about your own race, religion, sexual orientation, etc, in order for someone else to then respond to it (either negatively or positively).
Frankly, I play GW to get away from real life worries, and so I prefer to "keep on topic", as it were - doing missions, fighting monsters, etc.
Do most people bring up these topics or are they responding to them?
Frankly, I play GW to get away from real life worries, and so I prefer to "keep on topic", as it were - doing missions, fighting monsters, etc.
Do most people bring up these topics or are they responding to them?
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
well it is kinda nerdy to play 2-4 hours a day.
i can get that on weekends when i have no swim meets or waterpolo tournaments, our when my GF quits f-in buggin me! but remember rl>Gw |
Given I can't even drive (no mass transit either) and can barely go out... well I have the TV and the computer. And since I can have social interactions with people on the net, I choose the computer.
People have different hobbies - what's bad with having games as one? It's always been my main hobby, between others (languages, drawing, reading, some sports when I was younger). And I'm not the only one.
Darren Blacktail
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Originally Posted by Tatile
I, we, shouldn't have to hide our gender to avoid harrasment. People have to grow up and, in some cases, shut up. Though it is the sad truth that some do hide to avoid the offers to cyber or to avoid misogny
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My Guild Leader is female, and just because shes female doesnt mean she is a horrible guild leader, she keeps it running smooth as anyone could and keep idiots out who feel it is their duty to insult people for small things....people are just ignorant of such things i guess.
Im also sure that atleast 1 in 15 people in our guild of 300+ are female, some of them are the best people i've talked to on this game ever.
Ohh i remember a small relevancy to this thread....Couple days ago i was listening to music while i was playing like i always do, i said i was excited to be going to a concert with them and a few other bands playing.....I then got told i was retarded because i listened to a band this kid didnt like. I actually laughed out loud because of the simpliciry of the matter....not "Ohh i dont like that band" no i got "Dude your retarded that band sucks, listen to some real music"
Cheers
if ive messed up anywhere in here, sorry i was in a kind of rush hehehe
Adam of Tyria
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
yes... i get this all the time. i wear my r5 KoaBD title and people actually go out of their way to pm me and say "wow... grats on your title. it must suck to have no life" ...i mean... WTF!? people always jump all over others when they have something they will NEVER have. so... imo.. don't judge a book by it's cover (ESPECIALLY on a GAME where you have NO idea who the other person is).
titles have been out for how long now? 1 year+ ?? i mean...c'mon!! seriously!! think about it!! when i got legendary vanq, i did 2 zones a day (which took roughly 2 hours - 2 1/2 hours tops) and 4-6 on my off day from work. so... how does me having such reputable titles = me no life?? if i spread my titles out over the course of a month+ how is that "no life" ?? let's take another title i have as an example: savior of the kurzicks. i did roughly 50k a day on my work days and ~100k on my off day (every 10k would take ROUGHLY 33 minutes for 50k, and rougly 6 1/2 hours for 100k) and got it over the course of THREE AND A HALF MONTHS. so... how is 3 1/3 hours a day of hFF over the course of 3 1/2 long months = me having "no life"?? i would quite LOVE to see if anyone could ever answer these questions for me. |
RiKio
Im still amazed with this thread. Is incredible. You all are saying things that I had never imaginated before in a game. Is the game as bad as you are saying? Because I´ve never seen the retards you are talking about. Well..I don´t PuG a lot.
flclisgreat
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Originally Posted by Darren Blacktail
I totally agree, if you have to hide your gender to avoid being harrased or insulted....then your not in the right group of people, or they are just lunkheads thinking that girls cant play video games.
My Guild Leader is female, and just because shes female doesnt mean she is a horrible guild leader, she keeps it running smooth as anyone could and keep idiots out who feel it is their duty to insult people for small things....people are just ignorant of such things i guess. Im also sure that atleast 1 in 15 people in our guild of 300+ are female, some of them are the best people i've talked to on this game ever. Ohh i remember a small relevancy to this thread....Couple days ago i was listening to music while i was playing like i always do, i said i was excited to be going to a concert with them and a few other bands playing.....I then got told i was retarded because i listened to a band this kid didnt like. I actually laughed out loud because of the simpliciry of the matter....not "Ohh i dont like that band" no i got "Dude your retarded that band sucks, listen to some real music" Cheers if ive messed up anywhere in here, sorry i was in a kind of rush hehehe |
Taurus
OP, just to let you know, your avatar is emo.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by RiKio
Im still amazed with this thread. Is incredible. You all are saying things that I had never imaginated before in a game. Is the game as bad as you are saying? Because I´ve never seen the retards you are talking about. Well..I don´t PuG a lot.
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If you play with people, you get to know them. And even sometimes in PUGs, you say stuff that can reveal some things about your IRL situations: telling the mesmer she's hot either generally says you're a straight guy. Now you say "brb wife needs something"... we know you have a wife too. But it could also mean you're a lesbian - in which case, guys either drool over you or start trolling 'cause you're homosexual (this is worse with gay men).
"Kid woke up, hold on". You have a kid. It doesn't say much, but we know this person is a parent.
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Originally Posted by Taurus
OP, just to let you know, your avatar is emo.
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Why does some stuff bother people so much to the point they wanna flame others 'cause of IRL situation within a guild or a PUG? Does it matter so much to that guy that I'm gay, and in his team? I've asked one dude once, and I was replied "yes, you live" or something along the lines. It doesn't hurt, but it's still awkward. I'm most probably ten thousand miles away but he's still mad at me because I exist. O_o.
Evaine
I thought he was talking about the Necro hairstyle and glasses being emo.