Bots farming RA for Zaishen Keys. This has to stop now.

Lordhelmos

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

I was recently in a couple of RA matches and I noticed that there are a number of players and bot guilds that are sending drones into RA in order to earn Balthazar faction to trade for Zaishen Keys.

These players are usually non-secondary characters using generic templates such as charge warriors. The players bot and follow other members in RA in hopes that through luck they will find a strong 3 man party in order to earn Balthazar faction with zero player work. All the player has to do is either use a macro or come back and use the accumulated faction to purchase and hoard Zkeys.

Out of respect for the other guilds I will not post any tags of guilds that have been doing these sorts of things. However, many RA'ers know that there is one blatantly obvious bot guild around that is currently doing this.

This should be looked into and stopped immediately.

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

the funniest is the warrior with plague touch and heal signet.... that just runs up and uses that....

Songbringer

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

I don't see why you are not posting the tag due to respect. I wouldn't respect the bot guild(s). I know atleast 2 of the tags that are all bots. However since you aren't posting them I won't either.

On that note. I agree it shouldn't be that hard to catch them. Everytime I see them I report for botting. It is incredibly easy to kill one thus making the kill count map uber easy. On top of that puts the other team a man down.

So far I have seen a Cruel Spear para bot. A Glad's Def war. A riptose war with charge. A Charge war with plague touch.

However as far as I have seen they all have a res sig. So as far as I am concerned they are better then all those people who don't bring one. You know crappy signet sins that still get used even though they have been nerfed into junk. Spike dervs that are like half as affective since pious nerf. All those people who talk trash and end up going LEEEEEEEROYYYY and then just screaming res all match. I don't waste a res on that type of person save it for someone with a brain.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

I always forget to report them for botting. I have never seen one with charge though, they all use Glads Defense, and most have a secondary, usually N or Mo.

Siirius Black

Siirius Black

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Dragon's Lair

La Legion Del Dragon

E/

You guys should post the tag for the guild.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

You know what's really funny? Those that don't bring a rez sig, but, scream REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME after they die. lol I find that hilariously funny.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

and yet they play better than some real players ^^

Songbringer

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siirius Black
You guys should post the tag for the guild.

I will only do it if the OP says it is ok.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Botwatch

enxa

enxa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Novi Sad, Serbia

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Songbringer
I don't see why you are not posting the tag due to respect. I wouldn't respect the bot guild(s). I know atleast 2 of the tags that are all bots. However since you aren't posting them I won't either.
Because tags arent unique. Two or more guilds may have the same tag.

Posting a bot guild tag would hurt the regular innocent guild that happens to have the same tag by mere coincidence.
So that is bad.

Please dont post tags.

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
and yet they play better than some real players ^^
right..... they run in and use heal sig at max health..... why doesn't those noob just bring frenzy too

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

So post the guild name, not the tag then.

I still think balthazar points shouldn't be awarded in RA. Nothing but abuse come from it.

Magikarp

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

im only going to post the guild name if the op or mods say its cool... its really obvious if you play RA though..

Ryu_ookami

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Frogs From Hell

W/N

I'm not trying to derail the thread or anything but that link asking people to report gold sellers is it not kind of pointless as most of the advertsing is done with a account using a trial key so it ends with in a certain time anyway ?

or am I totally missing the point ?

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by llsektorll
right..... they run in and use heal sig at max health..... why doesn't those noob just bring frenzy too
and a mending wammo with no cancel to frenzy is better?

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Can we come to a consensus that it's the VVAR guild?

Unless you know what the tag stands for...

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

What sucks is, that these type of bots are the reasons other games have gone to these overlord like programs that are all intrusive.

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

I say we run more bots to stop the other bots. Then they'll try to make more bots to stop our bots! but guess what! We'll make more bots!

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
I say we run more bots to stop the other bots. Then they'll try to make more bots to stop our bots! but guess what! We'll make more bots!

Oh I'm so confused! *head explodes*

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

That's really sad. Everyone know's the best and most brainless skillbar to use is touch rangers! But yea, I've seen this before, but IMO a bot would be better in zaishen elite, unless the 1k faction cap applies there also.

but imo, if the 3 people aren't dumb and know how to read the chatbox, they should know to use the function /report. Sadly enough, there are times when you encounter players who don't know how to type /report. It makes me feel like i'm talking with caveman in RA sometimes .

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
That's really sad. Everyone know's the best and most brainless skillbar to use is touch rangers! But yea, I've seen this before, but IMO a bot would be better in zaishen elite, unless the 1k faction cap applies there also.
nah its definitely this.....


[skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill][skill]Healing Hands[/skill]

RiKio

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Plato's Cave

W/E

The great irony. You want to stop this botting, but the bots are better than the players. Are they ruining the game or just making it slighty better?

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

There is a difference between a bot and the average RA player?

Sir Scorn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

I have only encountered this one day, but it was non-stop. I ended up with bots almost every match. You end up losing for the most part, because the bot doesn't do much but charge right for the first "C" it's programmed to hit and gets owned by the other team as the other 3 players type /resign.

It's annoying to say the least and I hope I don't encounter it again.

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

[DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
Can we come to a consensus that it's the VVAR guild?

Unless you know what the tag stands for...
We sure can, surprised his/her account or accounts aren't perma banned yet.

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

so let me get this straight....they don't ban bots but they ban me for calling an idiot and idiot? oh great!

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by mafia cyborg
so let me get this straight....they don't ban bots but they ban me for calling an idiot and idiot? oh great!


Got what you deserved, now less crying more playing...oh wait

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by llsektorll
nah its definitely this.....


[skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill][skill]Healing Hands[/skill]
Well sorry, what I meant to say is, Touch rangers are the most effective brainless skills! By attacking they heal themselves and deal lotsa damage!! I'm sure these guys are better than the average mending wammo RA player...

Orange Milk

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

^^ Yeah, but the bots feeelings get hurt when you call them "noob touchers"

So they stick to Wammos, everyone expects them to charge in and die anyway so it's a great cover.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
We sure can, surprised his/her account or accounts aren't perma banned yet.
Agreed.

The bots in question actually have rank 2 gladiator titles now (they have been operating so long). Several times they end up in Team Arenas after losing in RA after 10+ wins and get stuck (since they are just programed to "enter battle" but without a full team they can't do that).

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
We sure can, surprised his/her account or accounts aren't perma banned yet.
I'm not that surprised. Most players in RA just C + Space anyways. There is no way to tell a bot from a human player because they generally do the same thing. Charge in and die (in the case of assassins like me, it's teleport in an die).

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

[DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
I'm not that surprised. Most players in RA just C + Space anyways. There is no way to tell a bot from a human player because they generally do the same thing. Charge in and die (in the case of assassins like me, it's teleport in an die).
Well thing is, I've noticed the bot itself will target a team mate and strictly follow him or her around as a pathing, then once in range it c spaces it's target and just spams it's stances, very noticeable.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
now less crying more paying
Fixed that for you. Bots and bans = steady income for Anet.

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
I'm not that surprised. Most players in RA just C + Space anyways. There is no way to tell a bot from a human player because they generally do the same thing. Charge in and die (in the case of assassins like me, it's teleport in an die).
Try running real close to one while they are target locked on someone else. They can't decide who to attack and just run back and forth

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
There is a difference between a bot and the average RA player?
Well, bots don't listen, but.. oh wait..

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

So, Z keys are being sold for real money?

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RiKio
The great irony. You want to stop this botting, but the bots are better than the players. Are they ruining the game or just making it slighty better?
have you ever seen the difference with a mesmer bot and real mesmer player?
well put it this way
at fast casting 10 with a skill like [skill]power spike[/skill] that bot can interupt even your [/skill]spirit bond[/skill] and a human player can't
so what's the difference? bots have rapid reflexes

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
Well thing is, I've noticed the bot itself will target a team mate and strictly follow him or her around as a pathing, then once in range it c spaces it's target and just spams it's stances, very noticeable.
I was being sardonic fyi. It's pretty obvious someone's a bot when they do repetitive things and don't talk. Some bots, however, will randomly say "HI". This is usually a pre-programmed statement that is set to go every once in a while, if you notice someone saying "HI" randomly at the end or middle of a match, then they might be a bot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Painbringer
Try running real close to one while they are target locked on someone else. They can't decide who to attack and just run back and forth
I've seen some good ones. Basically, what they do is they click to follow you, and then a milisecond later, program to use their attack skill. Then it waits 5 seconds, and then repeats. What happens here is that if there is no enemies in radar, then it will keep following you. If there is an enemy, then the attack command will overwrite the follow command, therefore. Once engaged in action, they will hardly ever follow an ally as long as there is an enemy in radar range. So keep this in mind as another tactic to exopse a bot.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Interrupt Spirit Bond? What on earth is the point? Only a bot would think interrupting it makes any kind of sense.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

Big shock there

Item A becomes valuable in gw
Item A becomes something to be sold offline for good cash
Item A becomes farmed by retard bots
Item A becomes less valuable
Item A begins to be less farmed by bots and the bots go elsewhere to ruin farming spots