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Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

15 Mar 2008 at 03:37 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerb

Prophecies was the best

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

Quote:

lie [lahy] noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.

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–verb (used without object)
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–verb (used with object)
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—Idioms
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a. to accuse of lying; contradict.
b. to prove or imply the falsity of; belie: His poor work gives the lie to his claims of experience.
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Yours is number 3.

politicsxxox

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Me/N

15 Mar 2008 at 04:09 - 122

i saw a ranger with apply poison and lava arrows as his build during raisu palace lol , i just left and hero'd the whole thing

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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15 Mar 2008 at 05:20 - 123

If somebody uses a "cookie cutter" build they get flamed and called a noob...

If somebody uses a totaly unique, but less effective build, then they get called a noob and flamed...

If somebody creates a cool new build that really works, it gets posted on Wiki or Guru and becomes a "cookie cutter" build...

I think people need to stop asking others to ping thier build when they join a random pug. If you are putting together a party for a mission, and you want specific builds, then ask for them and make certian the entire party is on the same game plan. But if you just join a random party to get the mission done faster then you really have to accept whatever build they choose to run.

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

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15 Mar 2008 at 09:37 - 124

I blame Ursan for noob builds

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 Mar 2008 at 09:42 - 125

There are no noob builds there are only idiotic arrogant cookie cutter building noobs who think they are elite cause they "copied" a build from Wiki that worked "somewhere" but, not everywhere. <grin>

netniwk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Bellgium

W/E

15 Mar 2008 at 09:42 - 126

I blame Npc's for noob builds

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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15 Mar 2008 at 09:47 - 127

I blame lack of knowledge for noob builds.

We all gotta learn.

But I blame everyone else for the state of the game cause you guys have horrible attitudes.

A positive statement on how those of you with horrible attitudes reflect badly on the game, Master Knightfall. So it's a positive attitude.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

15 Mar 2008 at 09:52 - 128

And telling everyone they have horrible attitudes is WHAT KING of attitude pray tell?

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

15 Mar 2008 at 10:36 - 129

Prophecies does a terrible job of setting you on course in presearing, that I will agree with.

LOL... Frenzy healsig GO GO GO!!!!

Oh wait! Better yet.

I love how elementalists don't get ANY viable skills other then fire skills until the desert (2/3 through the game....) GG.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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15 Mar 2008 at 12:15 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

<snip>

Yours is number 3.

Quoted For Truth.

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

15 Mar 2008 at 18:39 - 131

i blame nothing. stop the whining people :S

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

16 Mar 2008 at 04:42 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexion

Um... sure?
"Noob builds" happen because the first possible elite you can get comes in the (correct me if I'm wrong) Crystal Desert.
So that is 2/3 of the game you have almost not "super-duper" build.

Not to mention that the skills you get are... random, to say the least (Some basic skills, ones you get on Shing Jea or Istan, take a confusingly long time to get from Prophecies).

Random Scrubinator

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

16 Mar 2008 at 05:07 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I do admit that I do blame the beginning of Prophecies for noob builds. What're the first skills they give you as a Warrior? That's right, you guessed it: Frenzy and Healing Signet. /sigh. At least the first elite they're able to cap isn't Healing Hands.

Actually, healing hands was one of the first elites you could cap in the first few months of the game. The Mergoyle boss in D'Alessio Seaboard had it.
Also, remember the premade builds they had for pvp? Nearly every W/Mo was the paladin template, which had both healing hands and mending. If I recall, the template advised you to cast mending on yourself before the battle started. With no balthazar faction, most people never bothered to even tweak the builds

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

16 Mar 2008 at 05:08 - 134

Yep the other day I was vanquishing Prophs on my warrior and I was shocked to see the same crowds of people with the same builds from 2 years ago, its like people are living retro in the past or only have prophs.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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16 Mar 2008 at 13:52 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

Yep the other day I was vanquishing Prophs on my warrior and I was shocked to see the same crowds of people with the same builds from 2 years ago, its like people are living retro in the past or only have prophs.

Some people *do* still have only Prophecies. And if the builds still work for them, that's great no matter how much the people here might disapprove.

Lionhe4rt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

the Netherlands

R/E

16 Mar 2008 at 16:34 - 136

I actually enjoyed walking around with my own builds more then with the cookie cutter builds, even though my own builds sucked a lot. (power shot + ignite arrows + conjure flame). The game was a lot more challenging and epic (especially because I didnt knew I was making it a lot harder for myself

).

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

17 Mar 2008 at 13:26 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I would say that we as in Tyrians have better low,mid to high level henchmen castors than than most other camps and Thom and Devona are still good.It is the ones that are around those that aren't great.I would go out at their lvl and put yourself in their shoes(skills no runes) and see how far you get.

There is one I detest more than any and that is Stefan.

I try to compare the hench in all the campaigns (and even EotN). I really think they did a great job on the EotN hench. The eles are adequate and the monk do a good job. Prophecies hench are atrocious. I am sorry. I get so frustrated when I am doing a vanquishing and have to bring some of them along. It drive me bonkers.

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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17 Mar 2008 at 13:33 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julia-Louis Dreyfus

yeah i dont think you can blame a game

I blame people who never read skill descriptions for "noob builds".

Ouchie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

[Leet]

R/

17 Mar 2008 at 13:36 - 139

I think the problem is they don't give you enough skills in Pre. They give you some for each possible attribute, but not enough to decide for yourself which attributes you plan on using through the game. Having skills split among the attributes also means spliting your points thin.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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17 Mar 2008 at 20:44 - 140

I blame the original box for Guild Wars (Prophecies).

"Strike with a Hamstring attack to cripple your fleeing opponent, then rain fire down upon him as he slowly limps away."

People who actually looked at the whole skill bar they showed also saw Chain Lightning, Phoenix, and Ice Spikes being used. The other 3 skills were IWAY, Galrath Slash, and Defensive Stance.

1) Swordsmanship
2) Fire Magic
3) Air Magic
4) Water Magic
5) Strength
6) Tactics

Good builds started with the box art!

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

17 Mar 2008 at 23:50 - 141

Maybe the reason Prophecies sometimes = bad builds is because its the FIRST CAMPAIGN and logically the starting place for most newbies?

Also, ch.1 has hardly and insta gimp skills (see: ch 2-3-gwen)

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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17 Mar 2008 at 23:52 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Kurd

I blame Ursan for noob builds

lolwut?

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Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

17 Mar 2008 at 23:56 - 143

Prophecies does have a tendency to cause bad players because a lot of the skills given there are pretty useless and are really only intended for early areas; but many players seem to keep them everywhere.

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Mar 2008 at 00:02 - 144

I blame noobs for noob builds.

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

18 Mar 2008 at 01:08 - 145

I still miss healing as an E/Mo

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

18 Mar 2008 at 01:36 - 146

I liked prophs. Made it worthwhile to do quests. Was fun to set out to do something and look forward to what new skills there were.

Was also fun to just set out and explore in a random direction, and run into a town (ice tooth cave, fisherman's etc). Had nothing to do with the storyline or anything, they just existed. And there was usually a skill trainer offering skills that I hadn't gotten from skill quests or from my normal skill trainers. Was cool, like wandering the wilds and found some hermit weapons master who taught my warrior some extra stuff. Usually made me happy for that skill. Nowadays, there's not really much excitement in unlocking a skill. Just map to the nearest trainer and hand over 1k.

Leetwalrushunter

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Buffalo NY

Wandering Eye (Perv)

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18 Mar 2008 at 01:41 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

I will admit my Proph Ranger ran around using Conjure Phantasm until Kryta, then I got in a big debate on whether I shoulda switched to Phantom Pain. XD

Oh well, that was back when I was 'turded.

I admit that secondary profession skill quests should give more useful skills, though many classes don't use secondary professions for more than one or two skills and I doubt ANet will go back to Proph - they abandoned us!

My Bar was quite Embarrasing Power Shot, Penatrating Attack, Troll Unguent, Favorable Winds, Charm Animal, Comfort Animal, Phantom Pain and conjure Phanatasm

Thorondor Port

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

British Columbia

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18 Mar 2008 at 02:10 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I blame noobs for noob builds.

This is the end of this thread. This is the answer.
How can you blame a game design for noob builds? Its the players fault.

Thats like blaming kellogs for a poor cereal box puzzle on the back but the kid is too stupid to complete it, so kellogs is now the noob.
Same logic applys

Edit: oh but back in the day I did have some pretty rockin good e/mo bars. But that still isnt the games fault.

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

18 Mar 2008 at 13:11 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splitisoda

I still miss healing as an E/Mo

*wink wink* E/Mo are still great healers... just don't tell anyone... they will call you a noob

Yuhe Ji

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Los Angeles

E/

18 Mar 2008 at 15:36 - 150

Yes, I remember carrying around Healing Breeze as an E/Mo. And flare. We can never forget about flare. I think I used it until the desert when I got bored of my ele. Then NF came out and my derv capped Mind Blast which I got for my ele (using an elite tome). That ended the flare spamming/healing days for me.

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Mar 2008 at 19:05 - 151

I remember my old ele build. Mark Of Rodgort, Flare, Firestorm, Fireball, Rodgort's Invok, Phoenix (lawl), M Shower, Res.

Energy management...pfft...who needs it? >__>

MasterSasori

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

[Thay]

R/Mo

18 Mar 2008 at 22:13 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

This is the end of this thread. This is the answer.
How can you blame a game design for noob builds? Its the players fault.

The most logic I've heard in this thread.

Beomagi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

18 Mar 2008 at 22:24 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexion

Um... sure?
"Noob builds" happen because the first possible elite you can get comes in the (correct me if I'm wrong) Crystal Desert.
So that is 2/3 of the game you have almost not "super-duper" build.

And just to make you Ursan Hippies happy..........
you can't get Ursanway unless you get GWEN

Mostly agree, but there's still a lot of bad synergy you can see.

First elite for my warrior was hundred blades, garfazz bloodfang (i think he was level 6?) back when it was available in ascalon. Didn't seem as sucky back then, but even conjure gave lower damage. There's really been some insane "mudflation" in guildwars as far as skills go if not the items.

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

19 Mar 2008 at 00:12 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Way Out

*wink wink* E/Mo are still great healers... just don't tell anyone... they will call you a noob

K *starts making build for RA*

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

19 Mar 2008 at 00:28 - 155

heh its ok i started as a ranger/necro and was using vampiric gaze, vampiric touch and deadly swarm untill i got to the jungle. then i realised something is wring and since i hated teh poison degen switched deadly swarm for life siphon

my other skills were fes signet, power shot or some other bow attack i felt like using and 2 pet skills.

then i was introduced to actual builds when i joined my 1st guild that was active and where i stayed long enouth to make friends lol