The Day That Changed Guild Wars Forever

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Maybe a fun vanquish weekend or so. But no new god mode.

Survival mode: if you log off, gold farming company gets your account.

The day they implemented observer mode

I have to add Removal of the Attribute Refund System (Pre-Factions).

1. Removal of refund system.
2. Grind to move in storyline, blocked gates (Factions)
3. Grind to move in storyline, then grind to get to PuGs (pve-only titles that ,,help'' players). Heroes were fine, I like them.
4. Ursan.

Hard-Hard Mode will have a Coventina The Matron in each mob.

For those who don't remember, without good interruptage she takes 10+ minutes to outdamage. Painful!

the fact that the game has heroes and titles it doesnt mean u NEED to have those, i still pug all the time, with whoever comes along.

i play since launch, and the game only has gotten better and better, most people dont like change be it for good or worse.

GW was always a single-player game for me, ever since Proph. It's one of the reasons I picked GW (aside from the no-monthly fee) over other MMORPGs - that you could play with henchmen instead of other people. Now, not that I didn't end up (and enjoy) playing with other people but I work graveyard so there wasn't always a lot of people on when I was, plus I enjoyed the challenge of completing the missions using just the hench. Heroes just made that part of it better, imo.

If there was one thing that I feel "changed" GW, and not neccessarily for the better perhaps, it would be the introduction of Titles.

mmmmmmmmmmmonster kill...i mean mode

November 8th, 2007

Yeah, they should have a celebration for the anniversity hard mode was invented.

Then have a day where all the rich players lose all their items for the anniversity of greens.

There have been many days that "changed" GW forever...

Sorrows Furnace and Green Weapons!
Mini-pets!
Heros!
Hard Mode!
UW/FoW end chests!
Z-Chest!
The End of Favor in Hall of Hero's!
Every skill update!!!

Whats next?.........The day they anounce open beta testing for GW2!

Agreed completely. It made getting to lvl 20 like 3 hours of playing, and quests didnt give skills anymore.

The day you get kicked from a HM alliance for saying WoW rules, GW sux.

Ah well, guess I can just play H/H all the time now minus the amusing idiots on alliance chat.

Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO cant I just have 7 heroes?

They already have this it's called going for Legendary Survivor.

lol prophecies was horrible, factions was a change for the best.

Anyway how did this thread get so far off topic? Did anyone bother to read the first post?

I would LOVE this. In fact, I would love if the game was entirely rolled back to 2005.

ANet should have...

1) Screw multiple (AND STANDALONE?!) campaigns. Do expansions.

2) No stupid PvE skills. They are unique but Ursan was a nono.

3) Heroes are a mixed blessing as they killed PuGging (which was fun, it was half the thrill of the good old days) but they are ALRIGHT.

4) No IMBA skills or new classes or campaigns that rush you to level 20 - appealing to noobies was a big mistake. They should have left GW long and arduous like Prophecies - it had a nice learning curve that resulted in the players developing more experience and respect for the game than later campaigns. To everybody who says that Prophecies was "too slow lololol", you are not an MMORPG gamer. Go play an FPS. Slow learning curves and a sense of gradual character development are KEY to an MMORPG.

Anyway I wish we could just roll back the game to 2005 - and with it, all the new noobs and fags who came with the later campaigns would be gone. For a time GW was its own heaven, but new campaigns and a more noob-welcoming environment just allowed more idiots in, and, in the long run, it ruined the game.

To all who are saying "stop QQing lulz its not a big deal", I betcha you guys either did not own Prophecies as your first campaign or did not join the scene until later. Although there's no real way to show you, the game was once magnificent (well, it's still a great game now but it was even more magnificent) back in the year we called 2005. Then it broke. I do not hate all new players, mind you - in fact, I wish you were all around back when things were truly blissful.

Actually the new campaigns would have been fine if Anet didnt add any new skills. HM would have been fine if they adjusted AI and Henchmen skills accordingly rather then just
Increasing levels and attack speeds, and heroes would be fine if we could use 7

But Anet just mess up PVE when they try to change it or balance skills for PVP. Other MMOs get PVE right before PVP, thats why I personally prefer them.

Oh and /AGREE with everything that eldin just said.

Just for the record, I started playing Guild Wars on Christmas Day of 2005. Prophecies will always be my favorite campaign.

This is probably the 1st time GW got wrecked. The only thing I say that Factions did was introduce the assassin *don't hate me cuz I like sins plz! >.<*, ritualist, and Shiro, what could of, and arguably is, the best bad guy in GW1. Not to mention the proph arenas were mostly removed when factions came out as well, I am only glad Tombs got changed but the others....could have stayed...

I say Factions*hurt it and in some ways helped*, NF*helped with heroes*, and HM*opinion, I say help, more titles and more challenge for us PvE only people * all changed Guild Wars. Seeing the outcome now, I would of just made Factions and NightFall expansions as well, maybe just add the new professions to pre-ascalon, increase the lvl cap by 10 each game *including EN*, and remove the continent of Cantha from gameplay, just simply expand on Tyria/Elona and areas around them.

Its not so much I dislike multi-campaign, its more that I dislike the starting new characters in completely new lands*does give an original feel to a new character though* but not being able to make the profession you want in any campaign, and of course no sin/rit/derv/para armor in proph and no derv/para armor in cantha...that annoys me the most...

I would like to see some sort of special weekend besides double loot or whatever, but maybe not "Legendary Mode" or whatever you want to call it, many people, myself included, have yet to get through HM. But including it would not be a bad thing, keeps us PvE only people busy since most of the economy is falling and PvPers don't gotta worry about that. I notice alot of complaining about loot scaling...so...as a gift for the anniversery of HM...REMOVE LOOT SCALING!

I hope GW2 is like prophecies too, cept with a faster lvling rate *NOT as fast as factions*...and it's those Naruto wannabes' faults for not getting what I say is the best campaign and missing out on the original fun.

yes, Yes! YES!!!....sorry getting to into this post >.> <.< but it's the same reason why I like HM .

That, which I bolded, should be in Hard Mode!!!

Reminds me of Boss Mode in Diablo 2...good times...

DEAR GOD! WE HAVE A WINNER!!1!!!!4!!!!1!!one!!!!!

I wouldn't say GW is about titles either, just simply having fun, and many people, like myself, have fun doing titles, its our choice to want to go after whatever titles, we don't have to go after those titles that cost money...also, those titles can easily be very cheap, high end keys=high lucky+some lockpicks*yes still alot but cheaper then 600g per chest if ur lucky*, ids...farm golds/get from chests, its nearly free then. What other title are you talking about? Elite skills, yes that does need a lot of money to spend on caps, but you dont NEED to do that title, same with drunkard and sweet tooth, the 2 other money consuming titles.

To many, myself highly included, GW has always been a single-player game, since pre was only 2 person group and everything was easy, some people who actually start PLAYING in prophecies go a "no help from anyone" idea cept through 2 quests, heroes just replaced henchmen, not pugs.

comments on this:
#1)Full agree
#2)How about no ELITE PvE only, most of the pve skills are good, except for all 4 elites *ursan, volfen, raven, and lightbringer aura*
#3)I would have to agree and disagree with this *yes controversial*, Heroes are "alright" but I don't think they killed PUGs, in a way, Guilds, and in effect Alliances, killed PUGs a lot more then the heroes did. As I said above, Heroes basically changed Heroes around, I have seen many pugs wanting people above heroes.
#4)The only thing I disagree with this is the removal of new professions, although can still be good without the new professions, I like Ritualists, Assassins, and Paragons, so I cannot agree with this, but I wouldn't hate anet and stop playing if they did do that.


This was a fun Thread to read through, even though many would disagree as it seems. Thank you for the fun posts to comment on! Its been a while since I commented on this much! and for the record, I started playing during Dragon Festival 06, but I didn't play factions till about 3 weeks after playing on me *now gone * necro, and now I play on my new necro and sin...

Imbalanced skills are bad, but I do hope this isn't support of their plan to cut the non-core classes. I imagine a good many people would be pissed off if that were to happen.

I certainly do wish I'd joined back then. Guild Wars' advertising campaign sadly never really got me interested at the time

Good thing GW isn't an MMORPG then isn' it?

But yeah, my first game was prophecies. I found it quite dull and I probably would have quit if I hadn't played Factions soon after. I think what killed it for me was the lack of variation in the monsters. In pre (which I did somewhat enjoy) its nothing but skale and devourers and the occaisonal grawl. Go to post and woo we introduce gargoyles into the mix! When you go to the post apocalyptic wasteland that is post you start to wonder why you left pre. Factions greatly imrpoved on both (kaineng sucked but you only spend a shirt time there)

Most MMORPG aren't finished shortly after the tutorial area though. Prophecies is. Only 7/25 missions in Prophecies are full 8-man missions. 'nuff said.

In my mind the introduction of PvE skills scaling with Lightbringer and Sunspear rank was a key change, as it set in motion the direction that the company was taking with Eye of the North and its reputation skills.
It also introduced the idea of time spent in game > skill (which is something that should stay well away from any topic as it inevitably leads to a 20 page thread about ursan blessing).

Prophecies on it's own felt like a huge, almost empty void with only a few places worth visiting more then once. If you didn't decide to take a run to Droks in the first place. More options = always good.

Totally agreed. I was in the game from almost the beginning, and I really miss those times...

1 in 20 people think that GW isnt a MMORGP. I agree with this view, but everyone else in game is pretty damn sure that they are playing a MMORGP yet completely bash WoW and other games because they are full of grind, like GW isnt.

The majority of GW players are just retards on the whole. 'Im playing a MMORGP with no level grind or character development lol this game rules, WoW sux'.

Players that call GW a MMORGP yet bash WoW for grind need to be shot.

Fix'ed to be more accurate.

How was prophecies finished shortly after the tutorial? The tutorial was pre, not Ascalon-Desert. The game has changed. Back in the day, half of the missions from LA through the desert were more of a challenge than Gate of Madness or Raisu Palace now.

Flashback to Spaceballs had me laughing out loud. Thank you.

To be fair, half the reason that's true rests on the fact that, back then, the intelligence of (non-flaggable) henchmen could be charitably described using a comparison to a mentally retarded Chihuahua.

lolololol..omg, I just saw Stephan with a tail.

As a note, anyone who is seeking insight, go back to page 5 of the thread, read my post (the one second up from the bottom).

Anyways, another thing:

Why are people saying that, because most of Prophecies has a <8 party size, it automatically makes all those areas "noob areas"? If anything, I liked the gradual change, and to me I saw a size of 8 less as "out of noobworld" but more as "in the eXtrEEEEEEEEM pro places". Party size means nothing in terms of the difficulty of the location you are in. Get with the program. There's more to the game than reaching a party size of 8.

Do we get a cow level yet?

There is no cow level.

But I hear one's in development!

Introduction to skill templates- I can't believe I used to change all of those attributes and skills every single time I was in town.

Req. to get into the Cow Level:
1)pay 10 skill points
2)pay 1k
3)Must be lvl 20
4)Must be ascended
5)remove ursan blessing from your skill bar permenantly.

MY Birthday

I was about to QFT you until I cited the use of the word "fag" in your argument. Aside from this... extremely offensive mishap:

Yes. Definately. Prophecies was amazing, I'm sorry but in its time it simply could not be contended with. I am praying that GW2 follows the prophecies line. I hated having 8/8 instantly... then again in GW2 I am still hoping that you can go on your own or with a friend (PROPERLY, heroes and henchmen are not my idea of fun...) if you know what I mean.

And please, can everyone stop saying "broke" to describe a change you don't like... I think it's a little extreme.

Here's hoping that today's update is good news- if they actually manage to block out the gold farmers more, reversing gameplay changes that combatted farming *cough*LOOT SCALING*cough* just might actually happen.