Who should beta test Guild Wars 2?
Master Knightfall
I think only players who have all 3 chapters and the expansion and over 5000 hours of play time should get to be in the beta to give feedback. We will be the most experienced and know what should be fixed or included in the final version as opposed to noobs and just casual players.
Malice Black
5k hours lol
5k hours means you need to be put into rehab for your GW addiction, not feed more.
5k hours means you need to be put into rehab for your GW addiction, not feed more.
I MP I
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
I think only players who have all 3 chapters and the expansion and over 5000 hours of play time should get to be in the beta to give feedback. We will be the most experienced and know what should be fixed or included in the final version as opposed to noobs and just casual players.
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Having all 3 chapters/expansion and 5000+ hours of play doesn't mean one is experienced. Trust me, I know people who have all that and suck really bad at the game.
Sub Frost
Not that i care that much who's going to be beta testing gw2, but imho it should include something like:
- x% of gw1 beta testers.
- x% of experienced PvP players.
- x% of experienced PvE players.
- x% of players that never played gw1
- x% of players that have beta tested same genre games.
- x% of gw1 beta testers.
- x% of experienced PvP players.
- x% of experienced PvE players.
- x% of players that never played gw1
- x% of players that have beta tested same genre games.
Lycan Nibbler
Interesting thread...time to play devils advocate I guess... 
Firstly - the 10 people number seems way too low - even for a first test considering its unlikely that they would all be on at the same time for long periods.
Many people have been mentioned that have many other responsibilities already, would they have the time to commit to the testing?
I would think the people that received cards from anet will be high on the list. There are also people who have shown their innovative abilities within a game structure to push it to the edge - these would be useful people IMHO.
Are the people that post the most here really the ideal choices? Anet would want people testing and not posting about their tests (I might think the likelihood of these being inthe OMG OMG section mentioned earlier).
Having bug tested new software before (non gaming), there is something to be said for some "casual" players wandering through the game, but there is also a need for players that will do the same section 100 times using different skills/doing different things to test as deeply as possible. Whether anet set up some testing scripts for certain areas or not, I am not sure.. we all know anet do things their own way.... ^.^
Firstly - the 10 people number seems way too low - even for a first test considering its unlikely that they would all be on at the same time for long periods.
Many people have been mentioned that have many other responsibilities already, would they have the time to commit to the testing?
I would think the people that received cards from anet will be high on the list. There are also people who have shown their innovative abilities within a game structure to push it to the edge - these would be useful people IMHO.
Are the people that post the most here really the ideal choices? Anet would want people testing and not posting about their tests (I might think the likelihood of these being inthe OMG OMG section mentioned earlier).
Having bug tested new software before (non gaming), there is something to be said for some "casual" players wandering through the game, but there is also a need for players that will do the same section 100 times using different skills/doing different things to test as deeply as possible. Whether anet set up some testing scripts for certain areas or not, I am not sure.. we all know anet do things their own way.... ^.^
odly
Anyone who is willing to do a good thorough job and repport back to Anet with his/her findings.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
I think only players who have all 3 chapters and the expansion and over 5000 hours of play time should get to be in the beta to give feedback. We will be the most experienced and know what should be fixed or included in the final version as opposed to noobs and just casual players.
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Yes Malice, I need therapy :P
~ Dan ~
Racthoh can beta test PvE.
Ensign can beta test PvP.
Ensign can beta test PvP.
GloryFox
Shan & a few other from the DvDf guild alliance can beta test as they have good judgement IMO.
I don't trust anyone else outside of them and myself. Everyone else seems either way to eager to stroke their own ego or are far too biased.
I don't trust anyone else outside of them and myself. Everyone else seems either way to eager to stroke their own ego or are far too biased.
lakatz
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
Interesting thread...time to play devils advocate I guess...
Firstly - the 10 people number seems way too low - even for a first test considering its unlikely that they would all be on at the same time for long periods. Many people have been mentioned that have many other responsibilities already, would they have the time to commit to the testing? I would think the people that received cards from anet will be high on the list. There are also people who have shown their innovative abilities within a game structure to push it to the edge - these would be useful people IMHO. Are the people that post the most here really the ideal choices? Anet would want people testing and not posting about their tests (I might think the likelihood of these being inthe OMG OMG section mentioned earlier). Having bug tested new software before (non gaming), there is something to be said for some "casual" players wandering through the game, but there is also a need for players that will do the same section 100 times using different skills/doing different things to test as deeply as possible. Whether anet set up some testing scripts for certain areas or not, I am not sure.. we all know anet do things their own way.... ^.^ |
First of all, the OP never said anything about limiting it to 10, and he was clear his 'limitation' premise was hypothetical. Someone else started the '10' train of thought. And a whole lot of people subsequently never got on that train.
Regarding picking people who got cards from ANet, do you know ANet's criteria for sending people cards? I know from personal experience being qualified to be a beta tester wasn't a requisite.
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[DE]
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Shan & a few other from the DvDf guild alliance can beta test as they have good judgement IMO.
I don't trust anyone else outside of them and myself. Everyone else seems either way to eager to stroke their own ego or are far too biased. |
"DVDF the best damm guild ever!" -biased indeed
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Shan & a few other from the DvDf guild alliance can beta test as they have good judgment IMO.
I don't trust anyone else outside of them and myself. Everyone else seems either way to eager to stroke their own ego or are far too biased. |
Master Knightfall
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
5k hours lol
5k hours means you need to be put into rehab for your GW addiction, not feed more. |
I'm retired IGMO and in a wheelchair so there's not a whole lot else I can do IGMO. While others can go play golf or football or dancing I don't have those luxuries IGMO.
Master Knightfall
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Originally Posted by I MP I
Having all 3 chapters/expansion and 5000+ hours of play doesn't mean one is experienced. Trust me, I know people who have all that and suck really bad at the game.
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Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by lakatz
Playing devil's advocate? Did you read the thread? This is just more of the same.
First of all, the OP never said anything about limiting it to 10, and he was clear his 'limitation' premise was hypothetical. Someone else started the '10' train of thought. And a whole lot of people subsequently never got on that train. Regarding picking people who got cards from ANet, do you know ANet's criteria for sending people cards? I know from personal experience being qualified to be a beta tester wasn't a requisite. |
Re cards from anet. Did I anywhere say that being qualified to be a beta tester was a requisite? I said that these people will be high on the "to be considered list" mainly due to the fact that these people are "visible" to anet rather than the tens of thousands of other players that play the game.
I also didnt know that there was a qualification to be a beta tester. Being "qualified" as you put it will come in many forms, most likely including testers who some will see as being "unqualified" - a cross section of their perceived player base would seem to be a likely outcome.
XiaoTheBlade
We should have Massacre doing the French language translations.
http://zeldawars.free.fr/les%20avent...e%20massacres/
And also to test the swear filter for those who actually have it on.
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?i...assacrehv7.jpg
http://zeldawars.free.fr/les%20avent...e%20massacres/
And also to test the swear filter for those who actually have it on.
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?i...assacrehv7.jpg
Esan
It should be an open beta test like for GW1, or there should be no beta test at all. We don't need a priesthood.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Obviously that is opinionated and if the shoe were on the other foot asking them about you they would say the same thing. I don't buy that out at all that someone who has played the game 5000 hours isn't experienced and still bad at the game. You must have some superiority complex and think everyone must play by your standard to be any good. Obviously that isn't the equation that everyone else uses.
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There are many times I have left one or more of my accounts on when Ive gone to bed. Several reasons for this.. forgetting, afk farming the LB points early on, afk DL in pre, afk on rings etc... Did any of those mentioned improve my gameplay? - no , but they substantially increased my hours. I have even left chars logged on to read GC or AC when Ive gotten up after or come back from the store.
So although I understand the base of the suggestion, it doesnt really work in practical ways anymore than "people with more than x accounts" are more committed to GW.
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Shan & a few other from the DvDf guild alliance can beta test as they have good judgement IMO.
I don't trust anyone else outside of them and myself. Everyone else seems either way to eager to stroke their own ego or are far too biased. |
Joiry
Contest winners. Specifically, the second contest winners (ie the first guild emblem contest). No biases here 
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
You see these are the kinds of statements that come out of IGMO's. Those that have no clue about the person they are talking about, but, because some other IGMO said it BEFORE them like a clone they must repeat it to pedestal themselves in some kind of superiority they most likely lack in real life.
I'm retired IGMO and in a wheelchair so there's not a whole lot else I can do IGMO. While others can go play golf or football or dancing I don't have those luxuries IGMO. |
Again in English, thanks.
shoyon456
1 word:
ME!
(and anyone else who gives a heck)
EDIT: Anyone except Malice or any other "elitests"
ME!
(and anyone else who gives a heck)
EDIT: Anyone except Malice or any other "elitests"
Savio
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
EDIT: Anyone except Malice or any other "elitests"
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
IGMO?
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Stop arguing with people who can't accept the fact that they may be wrong.
Res Ipsi
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Seems a bit hypocritical of you to make a statement like that.
"DVDF the best damm guild ever!" -biased indeed |
Savio
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Originally Posted by Res Ipsi
Judging by the number of others here who've been voting for their friends and guildies, I see no conflict of interest. Why do you?
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Then again it's GloryFox, what do you expect?
Murmel
I would nominate RezDogg. They guy who makes awesome rt builds 
Neo Nugget
5g says that they use their christmas card selection method to do the same thing here.
makosi
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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
5g says that they use their christmas card selection method to do the same thing here.
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On a serious note, wouldn't an application procedure make for a better retard filtration process? Instead of simple quantitative (yes/no) anwers, they could request a small essay-like application to help establish which individuals are "omg omg kwl nu game lawl" and those who are capable of providing useful feedback. It has its limitations but it's fairer for the majority.
Trub
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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
5g says that they use their christmas card selection method to do the same thing here.
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PvE Helpful Hint #2281: The Charr invented dental floss, using cat gut....
Crom The Pale
The 5000hours idea has some merrits when you concider that a Beta Tester will have to put in some long hours and massive repetative grinding to do the job correctly.
Ofcourse Anet's first choice will be most of the people that beta tested GW, assuming they are willing to do so again.
What I think were all pushing for here is who will join that core set as the representitives of the comunity. People that WE trust to give Anet a balance view of what WE want from the game. People that are familiar with GW and will test out everything, having learned from playing GW, and with an understanding of what was missed in it the first time.
The question is can we as a comunity really select people we trust, based soley on playing with them or reading thier posts on fan forums?
Ofcourse Anet's first choice will be most of the people that beta tested GW, assuming they are willing to do so again.
What I think were all pushing for here is who will join that core set as the representitives of the comunity. People that WE trust to give Anet a balance view of what WE want from the game. People that are familiar with GW and will test out everything, having learned from playing GW, and with an understanding of what was missed in it the first time.
The question is can we as a comunity really select people we trust, based soley on playing with them or reading thier posts on fan forums?
Horseman Of War
Ive been playing since gw beta, no reason I wont be there.
I past the 5k hours on my account a while ago, landing me the title "My Friends Know I Have No Life (1)"
I past the 5k hours on my account a while ago, landing me the title "My Friends Know I Have No Life (1)"
lakatz
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Originally Posted by makosi
I bet 10g they don't. I'll just go and phone Zürich to shift some money around in case I lose the bet.
On a serious note, wouldn't an application procedure make for a better retard filtration process? Instead of simple quantitative (yes/no) anwers, they could request a small essay-like application to help establish which individuals are "omg omg kwl nu game lawl" and those who are capable of providing useful feedback. It has its limitations but it's fairer for the majority. |
And an application process would target only those who want to beta test... not some who do and some who don't as a selection process similar to the very random Christmas card selection process would.
O Nuxtofulakas
definitely Xmas card owners and those with KOABD r6 title
the fact i own both is a coincidence
to be honest it's one of the most amusing threads i've read here...especially those posts where the posters talk so seriously like they know the selection criteria...keep it up...you make us lol
the fact i own both is a coincidence
to be honest it's one of the most amusing threads i've read here...especially those posts where the posters talk so seriously like they know the selection criteria...keep it up...you make us lol
Trub
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Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas
definitely Xmas card owners and those with KOABD r6 title
the fact i own both is a coincidence to be honest it's one of the most amusing threads i've read here...especially those posts where the posters talk so seriously like they know the selection criteria...keep it up...you make us lol |
We are seeing the flip side of the GW community...the fun loving ones, and the 'hurry-up-and-pull-this-stick-outta-my-ass' ones.
Gotta love diversity...
dunky_g
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Originally Posted by Trub
LOL..I agree.
We are seeing the flip side of the GW community...the fun loving ones, and the 'hurry-up-and-pull-this-stick-outta-my-ass' ones. Gotta love diversity... |
some people need to let there hair down!!
Pyro maniac
Populationcontrol please
manitoba1073
I jsut wonder if some of these people would really vote for the ones they did if they knew there dirty laundery.
Hey Dunky Malice isnt fun. unless you mean funny looking then yeah Id agree.
Hey Dunky Malice isnt fun. unless you mean funny looking then yeah Id agree.
Yoshikuni Mahsu
Why hasnt this been locked? Its not like its completely off topic. Even on QQ this would've been locked by now.
Trub
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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu
Why hasnt this been locked? Its not like its completely off topic. Even on QQ this would've been locked by now.
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"ZOMG..NO ONE PICKED ME!
I'm going off to pout, and talk crap about everyone in this thread"?
It's a fun topic....who would you choose
(if you had the power to..)
test GW2?
Why?
I have seen good names dropped here, and some I wouldn't allow to clean the wallow box...but hey, we all have opinions..
Seems fairly civil to me so far.
slowerpoke
seeing these lists of usernames, i think the topic should be changed to:
Who shouldnt beta test Guild Wars 2?
Who shouldnt beta test Guild Wars 2?