Do you think that Soul Reaping is underpowered in PvE?

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

13 Apr 2008 at 13:38 - 1

I'd love to add a poll - but it's members only thingy.
Hopefully it can be added later.

SR underwent some massive changes and in the end the players were left with the option that was pushed from the start BUT we were also left with all the extra baggage that happened in between.

Simple question:
Do you think that Soul Reaping is underpowered in PvE and does it need to be buffed?Yes

No
Why?

Thanks!

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

13 Apr 2008 at 14:08 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Yes No
Why?

Thanks! Does it need a buff in PvE? No.

Would I like a buff in PvE? Yes.

I still have unlimited energy, but during those rifts in the 15 second period, I lose alot of it, and I want it back, but it doesn't come back, so I cry.

Just kidding.

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

13 Apr 2008 at 14:15 - 3

Underpowered? Hell no.
Soul Reaping is fine.

Having an effective 10 energy regen is enough for me.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

13 Apr 2008 at 14:21 - 4

no it's perfect like it is
good energy gain for each kill without being overpowered

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 14:25 - 5

No.
Seriously, if you want a more powerful energy engine in PvE, I would be forced to call you mad.

Scary Raebbit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

13 Apr 2008 at 14:28 - 6

IBQQ&Butthurt

Also, no, it is not underpowered.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

13 Apr 2008 at 14:40 - 7

I think he's trying to prove that the people visiting this forum are stupid...

Clarissa F

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fighters of the Shiverpeaks

Me/Mo

13 Apr 2008 at 14:45 - 8

^^judging from comments so far, it's not working.

It's not underpowered. guaranteed 10e per death at 10 SR, on top of normal regen, is nice to look at on the energy bar. Considering how fast a necro makes things die, I never have energy issues.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

13 Apr 2008 at 15:07 - 9

No, I always get the 3 triggers and never run out of energy.

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

13 Apr 2008 at 15:10 - 10

soul reaping is fine,for gods sake anet leave it alone

Thierry2

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

Mo/

13 Apr 2008 at 15:11 - 11

Soul reaping is fine as it is. Never had any problems while playing necro in PvE.

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

13 Apr 2008 at 15:13 - 12

SR is fine the way it is. It rules, in fact. I think most everyone who plays a Necro would agree.

Upier - are you toying with us?

Kawil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

{Hawk}-->The Aerie Alliance

N/Me

13 Apr 2008 at 15:35 - 13

The nerf to soul to 3 times in 15 secs was, I thought, one of the better nerfs there was. I play a nec (and usually only a nec) so it did have an impact on my game. Underpowered--no. Would I like to get energy from everything like we used to (and all the time)--sure. If your running out of energy constantly as a nec, either you don't know how to play it or you need to add some runes, insigs and raise that soul attribute up a little.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

13 Apr 2008 at 15:42 - 14

I know what you're implying, but Anet devs communicated that the SR nerf was for PvE (specifically Hard Mode) too. Too bad they completely gave up on PvE balance since EotN.

Knightly Bird

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Iowa

Teh Dark Empire

13 Apr 2008 at 15:51 - 15

The only thing they could possibly do to make it almost useless would be to make minions not give soul reaping benefit, though it would not be COMPLETELY useless, it would be a bad day for the necromancer.

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

13 Apr 2008 at 15:57 - 16

My Necromancer hasn't been complaining about mana ever.
Soul Reaping is working fine in PvP and PvE atm.

wilderness

tinyurl.com/6hqar7a

Join Date: Mar 2006

We Couldn't Figure Out A Name [LMAO]

W/N

13 Apr 2008 at 16:03 - 17

Coolest primary in game, imo. I hardly ever have energy issues with my necro.

nec/rit healers = infinite heal if you kill fast enough. SR is overpowered in certain situations, it certainly doesn't need a buff.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

13 Apr 2008 at 16:04 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

I think he's trying to prove that the people visiting this forum are stupid... Stupid?
Hell no!
Why would a person that plays PvE be stupid? I play PvE almost exclusively - so that would be like spitting against the wind.

Here is a sub question for the people that think it's "fine" - do you think SR is balanced in PvE?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 16:08 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Here is a sub question for the people that think it's "fine" - do you think SR is balanced in PvE? It's almost in the same league as Ursan, but in terms of energy management.

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

13 Apr 2008 at 16:21 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Stupid?
Here is a sub question for the people that think it's "fine" - do you think SR is balanced in PvE? its perfect imo

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

13 Apr 2008 at 16:21 - 21

as balanced as TNTF/Save yourselves!

Teutonic Paladin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 16:27 - 22

To be honest, I read the title (Do you think Soul Reaping is underpowered in PvE?) and thought that the post was going to be: "If yes, then you're an idiot."

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

13 Apr 2008 at 16:32 - 23

theres absolutely nothing wrong with soul reaping

*waits patiently for QQing*

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

13 Apr 2008 at 16:39 - 24

Anyone who thinks it's underpowered clearly hasn't seen sabway in PvE.

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Plato's Cave

W/E

13 Apr 2008 at 16:43 - 25

Its fine. !4 points of energy is not too bad.

But the change I want is: You gain one point of energy for each two points on SR whenever a non-spirit creature dies in your range.

Screws gimmicks and enjoy the days of the Pvers.

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 16:51 - 26

Can I say yes and QQ as hardcore as all the rangers over in the expertise thread defending thier little expertise attribute?

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

13 Apr 2008 at 16:57 - 27

with the dozens of nerfs it has gotten...... i can easily say no..

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

13 Apr 2008 at 17:53 - 28

soul reaping sucks, where other casters can hide their energy to protect themselves from energy burn and energy surge, necros just have to stand there and take it. Infinite energy really is a terrible thing.

(this is sarcasm)

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Apr 2008 at 18:07 - 29

Is it underpowered? No. But it remains saddled with a pointless, clunky, and irritating timer mechanic that punishes good play and randomizes something that should be reliable. The timer should be removed, not because it would buff SR, but because the timer itself makes the game less enjoyable without serving any purpose. With the timer gone, SR would be just fine for PvE purposes.

SR sucks totally and completely for PvP purposes, and would require a complete reworking to be made viable in PvP.

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Apr 2008 at 18:08 - 30

still overpowered

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 18:29 - 31

SR is fantastic up to the point when you use an incredibly intensive build. I have a death build with 15 SR and 14 DM and it still runs out of energy sometimes. This is due to spamming Bone Fiends AND Icy Veins AND Blood of the Master AND Necrosis AND Putrid Bile. It makes a very powerful build which is only fueled sufficiently by SoLS, Soul Reaping and Consume Corpse. I estimate I'm burning about 6 energy every second. It's damn fun to play though.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

13 Apr 2008 at 21:47 - 32

Considering that a certain amount of players feels it's overpowered - shouldn't that imply that we - the PvE players - should demand for it to be balanced?
Or is balance a term we dish out ONLY when something feels underpowered?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 21:49 - 33

Only if Ursan, SY and TNTF, or even PvE skills in general get hit so hard by the nerf bat, that they're worse than pre-buff Otyugh's Cry.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

13 Apr 2008 at 22:06 - 34

There is the issue of how insanely strong the PvE skills can actually be. Since even if they were 10 times worse then the worst PvP skill - they would still be overpowered because they require no attribute point investment and yet they get better with higher levels!
Basically as long as this system stays - the skills are unbalanced by default.

But in the case of SR - we have something that can actually be balanced on PvP terms. So why not demand that it should be balanced on those terms?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

13 Apr 2008 at 22:10 - 35

From a PvP (GvG) perspective, SR is extremely conditional. The only true deaths come from spikes, and rarely pressure.
Which there isn't usually a death until around 2 minutes in from the start becasue the Monks need to be weakened in terms of energy, and your primary attribute is mainly a waste until that point.

Tearz1993

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Relentless Aggressors [rA]

R/Mo

13 Apr 2008 at 22:17 - 36

It's really not..

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

13 Apr 2008 at 22:41 - 37

/draws deep breath

Soul Reaping is broken.

It's underpowered for MM builds and overpowered for everything else. Why does that matter? Because Soul Reaping was designed and built to power MM builds. That's what it's for. Period.

It's broken, plain and simple.

Sabway is a great example. It takes a page out of PvP SR exploitation by powering BOTH an SS necro AND a healer off of minion triggers. That's the same exact thing that got it in trouble in PvP. A necro would create and then destroy a minion and ALL necros on his team would get the SR trigger. That's broken...and that's what led to the timer....which actually further breaks SR.

Most PvE AND PvP players don't want to face that, because they LIKE exploiting that mechanic. But that's where the problem lies. Here is the correct solution, that solves ALL problems and leave NO room for exploitation:

Remove the SR timer. Remove minion/spirits triggering SR entirely. Significantly lower the costs of minion Animation spells. Tada. Problem solved. Minion Masters now have corpse-exploitation synergy restored. Energy returns become much more stable and consistent, and no one else can fuel off of a MM in the party.

Best of all the atrocious timer is removed!

Alex the Great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

America.....got a problem with that?

[Lite]

13 Apr 2008 at 22:54 - 38

play sabway

sr rocks my socks

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

13 Apr 2008 at 22:57 - 39

What a perfect reply to illustrate my point.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

13 Apr 2008 at 22:57 - 40

Unlimited energy = win

Un-nerf Soul Reaping please